Wiggs, Dr. Sanjay Gupta smokes weed...

[dustin]

The last couple posts seen of yours have been about 'shredded glutes'

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Something on your mind?

I think there are "things" I may have to fap over mull over...

As far as the lungs are concerned, any combusting plant matter drawn into the lungs won't be healthy. Even a big session isn't all too much in the grand scheme of things though. People talk about how 1 joint equals x amount of cigarettes and that's just stupid. Apples and oranges. Both are fruits but they're still completely different.

Tar will build up but it's also an expectorant. Have you ever seen a veteran smoker take a puff of weed and cough their lungs out? It happens all the time. But the tar isn't radioactive like whatever the hell is in these finished tobacco products. I grow weed and my friends grow weed. We know exactly what gets put into it. We look at the leaves and stalks and measure out anything that's added to it. We also flush it out at the end and make sure to dry it and cure it properly just like how a fine wine maker would observe and baby their products. You can burn my weed and see that afterwards there's nothing left but a light, wispy ash. No harsh toxins or shit. It's just a plant, nothing radioactive in there.

Cannabinoids exist in our body already. We're just putting the key into the keyholes. People have been smoking this stuff for thousands of years and in the last hundred years where science and literature has exploded, there are still few documented cases of massive problems. There are billions of people on this planet and millions upon millions smoke stuff like what I grow, right down to the shitty ditch weeds or crappy commercial grade garbage that's grown without any tender love and care. And you're not seeing any bodies hit the floor.

You would think that with all of the people lobbying against marijuana that there'd be a more compelling argument against it. But there's no good argument other than... "drugs are bad", "smoking pot makes you stupid", etc. Even though researchers are forced to test using shit grade weed provided by bias groups like NIDA, there's still no credible peer-reviewed literature that'll scare anyone away in droves.

[OneMoreRep]

Really? Because people continue to smoke weed why? It is an addictive substance. After prolonged use, the body craves "the feeling".

Have you ever taken an addictive substance? (I am fairly sure you take steroids) Stop taking steroids right now then! Are you hesitant?

I've never taken steroids.

Why would I?

I don't compete. I am in my late 40's and I'm not doing anything which requires performance enhancement.

Besides, cancer is hereditary in many forms and I know (based off peer-reviewed studies) that the use of steroids can accelerate the growth of cancer cells in those individuals that are genetically predisposed to developing cancer.

A big "no no" for me..

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[King Shizzo]

I've never taken steroids.

Why would I?

I don't compete. I am in my late 40's and I'm not doing anything which requires performance enhancement.

Besides, cancer is hereditary in many forms and I know (based off peer-reviewed studies) that the use of steroids can accelerate the growth of cancer cells in those individuals that are genetically predisposed to developing cancer.

A big "no no" for me..

"1"

Fair enough. But your nephew is still addicted to weed. There is no way around that. Ask yourself this: What benefits can someone have for being dependent on a certain substance? Anything that alters the mood/mind is bad.

[dustin]

"I’ve never met a person who smokes marijuana every day who I thought wouldn’t benefit from smoking less (and I’ve never met someone who has never tried it who I thought wouldn’t benefit from smoking more)."

- Sam Harris

Every intelligent weed smoker will acknowledges that it can have negative effects too. Tons of people will testify to having developed anxiety, paranoia etc after years of heavy smoking. Even Wiggs acknowledged that it probably exacerbated some paranoid tendencies.

I've always thought that it was just certain strains or certain personalities that developed paranoia, but I also find myself encountering this and I have dozens of strains to choose from. I've also got a federal medical exemption that allows me to smoke anywhere that tobacco products can be smoked, but I still find myself developing a slight bit of paranoia.

I know that I shouldn't feel paranoid, but I find questions creeping into my mind like "do they know I'm stoned" or "am I talking a bit too abstract right now". I limit myself to just smoking before the gym, when I have a migraine and very infrequently just for recreation. I find that it helps tremendously. But you're right, a truthful and objective individual wouldn't say it's perfectly harmless. I hate how marijuana smokers lose their credibility when one ignoramus says that it's natural and perfectly harmless, or that it cures cancer so therefore it can't be bad...

[King Shizzo]

Addiction is addiction. For all of my fake-ass bravado, I can't shake alcohol. It is part of my daily routine at this point. Make no mistake One, your nephew is addicted. Nothing good can come of it.

[dustin]

Addiction is addiction. For all of my fake-ass bravado, I can't shake alcohol. It is part of my daily routine at this point. Make no mistake One, your nephew is addicted. Nothing good can come of it.

lol it's not addictive in the least, bro. Move to British Columbia Canada where everyone and their mother (not an exaggeration) smoke weed. I've smoked with lawyers, university professors, doctors, etc. There is no physical addiction. You can smoke an ounce a day and stop smoking cold turkey. Absolutely nothing will happen, other than you may be bored due to a change in your daily habit.

[BRO]

How couldn't smoke inhalation have no adverse effects on the body?



What is the difference between inhaling smoke and vaporizers?

The group in the 'smoke' category seem to be more prone to 'complications', where as vaporizers not so much.

Same goes for those breathing in smoke second hand, versus those who sit inside a sauna or steam room.

Yes, its 'apples and oranges', but the lung is an 'air filter', and smoking is harmful in one way, or another.

As far as smoking marijuana and the relationship to lung cancer - the link may not be there for doctors (yet), but the lung is adversely affected when it is subjected to smoke.

[King Shizzo]

lol it's not addictive in the least, bro. Move to British Columbia Canada where everyone and their mother (not an exaggeration) smoke weed. I've smoked with lawyers, university professors, doctors, etc. There is no physical addiction. You can smoke an ounce a day and stop smoking cold turkey. Absolutely nothing will happen, other than you may be bored due to a change in your daily habit.

Bulllllllllllllllllllllllllllshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttttttttttt!!!!! Maybe certain people have the (stop cold turkey gene) most people struggle with addiction. Weed, is most certainly an addiction.

[OneMoreRep]

Fair enough. But your nephew is still addicted to weed. There is no way around that. Ask yourself this: What benefits can someone have for being dependent on a certain substance? Anything that alters the mood/mind is bad.

Well, that is clearly wrong my dear Shizzo..

What do you say to the Schizophrenic that suffers from Hallucinations prompting him to kill others, who just so happens to take a little Seroquel in order to reduce the occurrence of psychotic episodes?

What do you say to the chronically depressed individual who has suicidal ideations, who just so happens to take a little Paxil or Zoloft in order to enhance their mood, change their state of mind and prompt them to put the gun down?

What do you say to the individual that suffers from chronic generalized anxiety disorders, who isn't capable of getting sleep due to severe anxiety, has experienced a complete compromise in their ability to cope with life or take part in activities of daily living WHO happens to take a little Klonopin to place him/her at ease?

What do you say to the individual who suffers from Obsessive compulsive disorder that can not stop washing their hands incessantly throughout the day who happens to take a little... YOU GET MY POINT, DON'T YOU?

Would you still stand by your claim that,

Anything that alters the mood/mind is bad

..or have you reconsidered?

"1"

[dustin]

How couldn't smoke inhalation have no adverse effects on the body?



What is the difference between inhaling smoke and vaporizers?

The group in the 'smoke' category seem to be more prone to 'complications', where as vaporizers not so much.

Same goes for those breathing in smoke second hand, versus those who sit inside a sauna or steam room.

Yes, its 'apples and oranges', but the lung is an 'air filter', and smoking is harmful in one way, or another.

As far as smoking marijuana and the relationship to lung cancer - the link may not be there for doctors (yet), but the lung is adversely affected when it is subjected to smoke.

I don't think anyone believes it's harmless. If they do, they're a dolt. But it's not going to cause lung cancer. There were previous studies that concluded that it led to lung cancer, but when the study was picked apart they had extremely shitty controls and basically everyone also smoked cigarettes.

NIDA and other bias organizations have a bottle neck on the scientific research community. I guarantee that if they used my weed for their studies and used ONLY pot smokers and than people who don't smoke, they'd find no one developing lung cancer. I know harrrrrdddcooooreee stoners who have not a single talent other than decimating bags of weed like some sort of human smoke stack and none of them have any form of cancer.

I may be incorrect too, but IIRC there was a study with better controls and the people that smoked marijuana and cigarettes had a lower number of lung cancer developments than the smokers alone but I don't know where I read this. Most of these studies are piss poor, use shitty controls and too few subjects to really draw any credible conclusions. Even if the studies turned out saying it's bad, I really wish there were better ones out there.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

IMOP when the Federal Government finally goes all in and legalizes weed, I believe they are going to use it as another method of experimenting on the people by lacing Government weed with zombie-like unknown substances...The weed you see today won't be anything like the weed of tomorrow...It's the perfect substance to fukc with...

[King Shizzo]

Well, that is clearly wrong my dear Shizzo..

What do you say to the Schizophrenic that suffers from Hallucinations prompting him to kill others, who just so happens to take a little Seroquel in order to reduce the occurrence of psychotic episodes?

What do you say to the chronically depressed individual who has suicidal ideations, who just so happens to take a little Paxil or Zoloft in order to enhance their mood, change their state of mind and prompt them to put the gun down?

What do you say to the individual that suffers from chronic generalized anxiety disorders, who isn't capable of getting sleep due to severe anxiety, has experienced a complete compromise in their ability to cope with life or take part in activities of daily living WHO happens to take a little Klonopin to place him/her at ease?

What do you say to the individual who suffers from Obsessive compulsive disorder that can not stop washing their hands incessantly throughout the day who happens to take a little... YOU GET MY POINT, DON'T YOU?

Would you still stand by your claim that,
 

..or have you reconsidered?

"1"

You can't see the difference? These are unstable/crazy people you are talking about. I hope you do not consider your nephew in that category. I assume that your nephew is a smart kid. This should be further evidence to you. What benefits (to a healthy individual) does weed have? Other than the dependancy to have the "feeling".

[dustin]

You can't see the difference? These are unstable/crazy people you are talking about. I hope you do not consider your nephew in that category. I assume that your nephew is a smart kid. This should be further evidence to you. What benefits (to a healthy individual) does weed have? Other than the dependancy to have the "feeling".

C'mon man, now you're just blatantly trolling without any creativity or anything.

[King Shizzo]

I don't think anyone believes it's harmless. If they do, they're a dolt. But it's not going to cause lung cancer. There were previous studies that concluded that it led to lung cancer, but when the study was picked apart they had extremely shitty controls and basically everyone also smoked cigarettes.

NIDA and other bias organizations have a bottle neck on the scientific research community. I guarantee that if they used my weed for their studies and used ONLY pot smokers and than people who don't smoke, they'd find no one developing lung cancer. I know harrrrrdddcooooreee stoners who have not a single talent other than decimating bags of weed like some sort of human smoke stack and none of them have any form of cancer.

I may be incorrect too, but IIRC there was a study with better controls and the people that smoked marijuana and cigarettes had a lower number of lung cancer developments than the smokers alone but I don't know where I read this. Most of these studies are piss poor, use shitty controls and too few subjects to really draw any credible conclusions. Even if the studies turned out saying it's bad, I really wish there were better ones out there.

Onemorerep might.  

[King Shizzo]

C'mon man, now you're just blatantly trolling without any creativity or anything.

No way. I am 1000% serious. This isn't a joke. I think One has clouded judgement.

[dustin]

No way. I am 1000% serious. This isn't a joke. I think One has clouded judgement.

He's never said it's entirely harmless. It's just far from the designation of being a schedule 1 narcotic. According to the US government, it's safer and/or more beneficial to buck a rail of cocaine than it is to smoke a joint. That doesn't sound right to me. We need to call a spade a spade because lying either way is not going to help.

[King Shizzo]

He's never said it's entirely harmless. It's just far from the designation of being a schedule 1 narcotic. According to the US government, it's safer and/or more beneficial to buck a rail of cocaine than it is to smoke a joint. That doesn't sound right to me. We need to call a spade a spade because lying either way is not going to help.

I will say addiction is addiction. Everyone has a poison. Everything is bad when overused.

Ever heard of water poisoning?

[Obvious Gimmick]

I will say addiction is addiction. Everyone has a poison. Everything is bad when overused.

Ever heard of water poisoning?

Hate to agree with this guy. QFT

[dustin]

I will say addiction is addiction. Everyone has a poison. Everything is bad when overused.

Ever heard of water poisoning?

I've seen hyponatremia at marathons before, yep. But water is a poor example, we're made of water and need it to survive. And no one here is advocating abuse or excessive consumption either. These are all very poor arguments, my man.

Fact of the matter is that there's nothing physically addicting in marijuana. When it comes to psychological addiction, anyone can become addicted to any activity. I've seen World of Warcraft destroy more lives than marijuana. If a chronic smoker stops smoking, he'll just have to content with boredom. He won't start convulsing like an alcoholic would if they stopped drinking.

[OneMoreRep]

You can't see the difference? These are unstable/crazy people you are talking about. I hope you do not consider your nephew in that category. I assume that your nephew is a smart kid. This should be further evidence to you. What benefits (to a healthy individual) does weed have? Other than the dependancy to have the "feeling".

I'll give you a couple and you decide whether they are worthy benefits that might justify the use in healthy individuals:

It both inhibits tumor growth and kills cancer cells (I can provide you PubMed studies backing that up). Remember, you can appear relatively healthy, even with normal bloodwork values and still have cancerous cells growing in your body.

It works wonders for headaches and migraines (I can provide you PubMed studies backing that up). What would you rather use for migraines, an over-the-counter NSAID like said Advil, whose prolong use can cause kidney failure, gastric ulcers and bleeding disorders due to a compromise in platelet aggregation or a little harmless marijuana?

It helps to treat symptoms caused by Pre-Menstrual syndrome (I can provide you PubMed studies backing that up). Again, what would you much rather have your woman use for symptomatic relief an NSAID which can have terrible adverse effects by way of chronic use or a little Marijuana?

It helps to prevent Alzheimer’s disease (I can provide you PubMed studies backing that up). You can be completely healthy and develop Alzheimer's disease.

It works wonders for patients with Multiple Sclerosis (I can provide you PubMed studies backing that up). Again, another disease that occurs to completely healthy individuals.

I can go on, but I think you get the point..

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[OneMoreRep]

Shizzo, so far, I've debunked your arguments stating that (A) anything that alters mind/mood is bad & (B) that Marijuana use (in healthy individuals) serves no purpose besides giving the users the dependency to have the "feeling".

These are not feelings I have on this matter. Instead, these are facts based off of studies that justify these claims.

"1"

[King Shizzo]

I'll give you a couple and you decide whether they are worthy benefits that might justify the use in healthy individuals:

It both inhibits tumor growth and kills cancer cells (I can provide you PubMed studies backing that up). Remember, you can appear relatively healthy, even with normal bloodwork values and still have cancerous cells growing in your body.

It works wonders for headaches and migraines (I can provide you PubMed studies backing that up). What would you rather use for migraines, an over-the-counter NSAID like said Advil, whose prolong use can cause kidney failure, gastric ulcers and bleeding disorders due to a compromise in platelet aggregation or a little harmless marijuana?

It helps to treat symptoms caused by Pre-Menstrual syndrome (I can provide you PubMed studies backing that up). Again, what would you much rather have your woman use for symptomatic relief an NSAID which can have terrible adverse effects by way of chronic use or a little Marijuana?

It helps to prevent Alzheimer’s disease (I can provide you PubMed studies backing that up). You can be completely healthy and develop Alzheimer's disease.

It works wonders for patients with Multiple Sclerosis (I can provide you PubMed studies backing that up). Again, another disease that occurs to completely healthy individuals.

I can go on, but I think you get the point..

"1"

What ailments does your nephew possess? I assume that your nephew is in relatively perfect health. None of these conditions/ailments apply then.

[King Shizzo]

Shizzo, so far, I've debunked your arguments stating that (A) anything that alters mind/mood is bad & (B) that Marijuana use (in healthy individuals) serves no purpose besides giving the users the dependency to have the "feeling".

These are not feelings I have on this matter. Instead, these are facts based off of studies that justify these claims.

"1"

Then I will no longer post in this thread. Is this for views? Why are you trying to "one-up" me?  I care about you, and the things that happen in your life. This isn't about who wins.

[OneMoreRep]

What ailments does your nephew possess? I assume that your nephew is in relatively perfect health. None of these conditions/ailments apply then.

I presume you've attended a University before with a rigorous program of study. In light of this assumption, I can further assume that you've spent endless nights at the library doing what college students gracefully call "all nighters". Furthermore, I can assume that you've experienced bad insomnia, constant headaches or migraines due to trying to maintain focus/concentration on any subject matter past 6-8 hours.

For these "ailments" he has employed the use of Marijuana and found much success.

He has found a solution to his insomnia.

He has treated the constant migraines he would experience after a week of exhaustive study.

He has found a way to reduce his anxiety the night prior to a test.

These are all symptoms we would endure if placed under similar forms of stress.

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[dustin]

What ailments does your nephew possess? I assume that your nephew is in relatively perfect health. None of these conditions/ailments apply then.

Ailment is probably boredom. Taking a puff before any mundane task makes it more interesting. I use it to enhance my house cleaning capabilities.

Seriously though, any time I'm doing physical labor or cleaning the house it makes it way more tolerable. But I try keeping my tolerance down so it helps with my migraines better. I also don't like getting paranoid so I don't smoke all the time like when I was a teenager. Just a few puffs is all you need.