What is a good square foot size for a crossfit gym....

[MisterMagoo]

Hey dude, how can i get more peak and separation in my biceps?

Funny thing...you don't see any CFer doning a white towel. 

like... even if people don't think CF is great or get annoyed at the cultish atmosphere it inspires (totally valid), the fact is that it's turned the "fad" into olympic lifting and exercising hard. isn't that GOOD?

[dyslexic]

How is this different than strong man?  Also, have you really taken a look at how some people bench?  Bouncing the bar off their chests?  Shortening up range of motion on squats and leg presses to the point where  if they DID load in a full range they end up hurting themselves?  You bring up the inexperienced trainers when Magoo just pointed out how most (if not all) commercial gyms have WAY MORE of these retards than a CF gym.  The mentality of 'killing it' is NOT prevalent in all CF gyms.  Again, how many times have you seen some trainer getting a super chubby because they destroyed a client. For 12yrs I listened to trainers laugh when they said their clients threw up, couldn't walk the next day, couldn't lift their arms...etc.  Oh, and for your info Rhabo isn't something that is strictly for CF people.  You would be surprised at how many people get it at commercial gyms.

I do know that Rhabdo is not limited to Crossfit. Anyone who understands the concept and science behind fitness/bodybuilding/exercise would know this. You could also have a genetic predisposition for it, or possible using the tons of drugs that are contraindicated (alcohol being one of the most popular... and statins, hence, the "doctors' note")

You could develop muscle tear/release from pushing your car to the gas station.


Point is, Crossfit has the highest incident rate and all clientele if not established as an advanced athlete should be properly assessed prior to joining in the (new/fad) mayhem.


There are many means to an end. For fitness, Crossfit would be my last choice... or completely excluded dependent on all variables listed by ES.


Peace Fitters ~


And don't piss green unless absolutely necessary. And remember, there are people who have phobias involving clowns. "Caulrophobia" and Rhabdo have a really nice ring to them, don't they?

[ESFitness]

well... I doubt i'd ever bother to get "Crossfit Certified" unless somebody paid for my cert.

Why?

at my gym, we don't pay to license/use the name "Crossfit". have no need for it. we can't call it "Crossfit", but our clients can call it whatever they want.

I use it as a selling point sometimes. I point out the crossfit gyms charge 120-170/month and aren't a 'full gym'. We charge 20-30/month for regular gym memberships, and for my 'bootcamps' (I won't give the name of my programs as to not identify myself. lol) i'll charge usually 120/month. Most our clientele are just looking for a good workout.. they want to shrink.. they want more stamina.. they want to get stronger. They'll see the CrossfitGames on ESPN and say "Hey, that's what we do!" and they tell their friends they do "Crossfit", even though they're not doing kipping pullups, snatches, or bodyweight deads.... all they're looking for is to get their ass kicked in the gym and leave feeling like they accomplished something 3-4x/wk. I'm in the biz to make money... and the hardcore, serious crossfiters don't usually need my assistance... and they don't need to join a crossfit-only gym... all they want is the equipment and space.

Give me a 750 sq foot room with pullup bars across the wall (2ft away from the way), 5 trx straps, a 'battle rope', a sled,5 25lb plates, 2 35's, and 2 45's, 10 kettle bells,  5 12lb 'jam balls', a 12lb bouncing medicine ball, 2 sandbags, and a dozen bands of various resistance, a spin bike, a treadmill (not plugged in), and a water-rower, and i'll train groups of 10 ppl all day long in a "gym" that can easily be a one man operation with as little as $1500/month rent/insurance/electric. And I guarantee you after 3 workouts, they'll feel better than they would with 3 months of the traditional 'weightlifting/strength training/bodybuilding' they'd otherwise be doing.

[Coach is Back!]

it drives me fucking bananas that CF can't be brought up without the usual toolboxes wailing about it.

the funny thing is i don't really even do it now, i just respect the SHIT out of it. currently i'm on an oly strength focus, but i still love following CF.

maybe it's that i admire people who exercise for doing things over CHECK OUT THE SEPARATION IN HIS QUADS, BRAH.

It's only the educated coaches that bring it up. The rest could give a shit because it's "cool" and think.its "hardcore". They don't understandprogramming or how physiology. As long as they sweat, breath hard and puke they think that's what works.

[Krankenstein]

It's only the educated coaches that bring it up. The rest could give a shit because it's "cool" and think.its "hardcore". They don't understandprogramming or how physiology. As long as they sweat, breath hard and puke they think that's what works.

No Joe, its usually people that have a bone to pick with it.  You talk shit about it constantly.  You talk endlessly about 'programming' and the physiology of this....or that.  You really do make training out to be akin to neurosurgery.  You don't like CF.  We get it.  The shit you talk constantly is much like some whiny bitch talking about how barbaric boxing or MMA is.

Why not start a thread how as soon as someone watches a few PPV events, gets MAYBE a couple classes at his local MMA gym, then finally takes the plunge and gets his first TapOut shirt that said individual says he is a UFC fighter?  

You want to still compete in bodybuilding.  I think its a joke.  Not you competing...but the ACTIVITY of competing in bodybuilding.  Lets get real...you get yourself all bloated will the shit you pump all that shit into yourself, decide to 'go to war' and diet down, and then what?  You stand on stage for about 10 - 15 mins in the morning, then another 90 secs at night, and MAYBE another 5 mins while you 'pose down'.    After that you gorge down, get all blimpy and fat because you are back to 'bulking'.  I have summed up the life of a bodybuilder right there!  Oh, and then bitch and moan about how one guy beat you because of this, or that.

- You bitch and moan about the oly lifting, yet fail to mention that CFers do much more than that
- You bring up Glassman (who many, many, many just dismiss) but how about we sit and have a chat about Ben and Joe?  How many times has Gassfuck ever been accused or rumored to have fucked a male competitor?
- Ever see a crossfit competitor be in a video getting his cock sucked by someone under a towel?
- Ever see a CF competitor fuck a grapefruit?
- Ever see a CF competitor shoot synthol into themselves in order to gain an edge?
- How many female CF competitors are on SheMuscle or whatever the fuck cam site that it
- How many female CF competitors are flashing their penoris to any that will pay money?
- You made a thread about how BBers are lazy ass trainers...then come in here and bash CF for how hard they train.
- When was the last BBing event that was on ESPN...LIVE?

[dyslexic]

It's all about the safety issues Homey.


Really, that's all it boils down to. If you work next to it every day, you see it. I defies everything a good trainer knows.


I agree with ES. Give me a room, I'll choose the equipment and call it whatever you want (as long as it sells) and I will get you in top shape (if you follow protocol as with ANY other client) ~

Hell, if it's women, I'll just use their bodyweight as resistance and those that are strong enough can lift eachother. Doesn't really matter as long as nobody gets hurt by my stupidity.

[ProudVirgin69]

maybe it's that i admire people who exercise for doing things over CHECK OUT THE SEPARATION IN HIS QUADS, BRAH.

  what "things"are these people exercising for?  Flipping tires? Doing burpees? Crossfit isn't really any more functional than most other strength training.

Crossfit is cool and has its merits, but it's the snooty attitude & sense of superiority that most crossfitters seem to have that irks me.

[ESFitness]

  what "things"are these people exercising for?  Flipping tires? Doing burpees? Crossfit isn't really any more functional than most other strength training.

Crossfit is cool and has its merits, but it's the snooty attitude & sense of superiority that most crossfitters seem to have that irks me.

if you work with clients for any amount of time, you quickly realize 95% of the population can't squat properly (and I don't mean squatting with a barbell across their shoulders... i'm talking about dropping their car keys and squatting down to pick them up).. has back and knee pain.. and has trouble putting a 30 pack of bottled water in their shopping cart or lifting a box up onto a shelf in their closet... let alone rearranging the furniture in their home without assistance.

[dyslexic]

if you work with clients for any amount of time, you quickly realize 95% of the population can't squat properly (and I don't mean squatting with a barbell across their shoulders... i'm talking about dropping their car keys and squatting down to pick them up).. has back and knee pain.. and has trouble putting a 30 pack of bottled water in their shopping cart or lifting a box up onto a shelf in their closet... let alone rearranging the furniture in their home without assistance.

Quite true.

Hence, all the books written on the squat alone.

It's difficult not being distracted by these guys and gals that are squatting in the rack while you are training your clients. Very rare to see someone actually performing the movement correctly, and more importantly; safely.


You can literally spend weeks or even months trying to work with someone who insists on squatting, and still their form suffers because they just don't get it. Some people are just not built to squat, mentally or physically.

[Krankenstein]

if you work with clients for any amount of time, you quickly realize 95% of the population can't squat properly (and I don't mean squatting with a barbell across their shoulders... i'm talking about dropping their car keys and squatting down to pick them up).. has back and knee pain.. and has trouble putting a 30 pack of bottled water in their shopping cart or lifting a box up onto a shelf in their closet... let alone rearranging the furniture in their home without assistance.

Exactly.  The amoutn of people I get in my office with back pain saying "all I did was bend down and pick something off the floor".  Then they see thattheir low back looks like melted wax. 

[ProudVirgin69]

if you work with clients for any amount of time, you quickly realize 95% of the population can't squat properly (and I don't mean squatting with a barbell across their shoulders... i'm talking about dropping their car keys and squatting down to pick them up).. has back and knee pain.. and has trouble putting a 30 pack of bottled water in their shopping cart or lifting a box up onto a shelf in their closet... let alone rearranging the furniture in their home without assistance.

Right, but what specific advantage does crossfit have in helping these people regain function?

Any comprehensive weight training program would accomplish that. If you want to get them to be able to start, have them squat!

[rooseveltdunn]

  what "things"are these people exercising for?  Flipping tires? Doing burpees? Crossfit isn't really any more functional than most other strength training.

Crossfit is cool and has its merits, but it's the snooty attitude & sense of superiority that most crossfitters seem to have that irks me.

Pretty much, the way people feel the need to defend CF like its so revolutionary (when it isn't) is extremely annoying. More over boxing , MMA and even regular working out can help with funtional training and strenght CF is not special at all.

[Krankenstein]

Pretty much, the way people feel the need to defend CF like its so revolutionary (when it isn't) is extremely annoying. More over boxing , MMA and even regular working out can help with funtional training and strenght CF is not special at all.

No one is defending that its revolutionary.  CF will never overtake BBing when it comes to douchey behavior.  No chance in hell on that.  There will NEVER be a CFer that will cancel a date or refuse holiday dinner and instead bring their tupperware of boiled chicken and steamed broccoli because they want to make sure they stay on their off season diet.

[Coach is Back!]

No Joe, its usually people that have a bone to pick with it.  You talk shit about it constantly.  You talk endlessly about 'programming' and the physiology of this....or that.  You really do make training out to be akin to neurosurgery.  You don't like CF.  We get it.  The shit you talk constantly is much like some whiny bitch talking about how barbaric boxing or MMA is.

Why not start a thread how as soon as someone watches a few PPV events, gets MAYBE a couple classes at his local MMA gym, then finally takes the plunge and gets his first TapOut shirt that said individual says he is a UFC fighter?  

You want to still compete in bodybuilding.  I think its a joke.  Not you competing...but the ACTIVITY of competing in bodybuilding.  Lets get real...you get yourself all bloated will the shit you pump all that shit into yourself, decide to 'go to war' and diet down, and then what?  You stand on stage for about 10 - 15 mins in the morning, then another 90 secs at night, and MAYBE another 5 mins while you 'pose down'.    After that you gorge down, get all blimpy and fat because you are back to 'bulking'.  I have summed up the life of a bodybuilder right there!  Oh, and then bitch and moan about how one guy beat you because of this, or that.

- You bitch and moan about the oly lifting, yet fail to mention that CFers do much more than that
- You bring up Glassman (who many, many, many just dismiss) but how about we sit and have a chat about Ben and Joe?  How many times has Gassfuck ever been accused or rumored to have fucked a male competitor?
- Ever see a crossfit competitor be in a video getting his cock sucked by someone under a towel?
- Ever see a CF competitor fuck a grapefruit?
- Ever see a CF competitor shoot synthol into themselves in order to gain an edge?
- How many female CF competitors are on SheMuscle or whatever the fuck cam site that it
- How many female CF competitors are flashing their penoris to any that will pay money?
- You made a thread about how BBers are lazy ass trainers...then come in here and bash CF for how hard they train.
- When was the last BBing event that was on ESPN...LIVE?

Because that's how a sound, effective program should be. Sound programs are not about randomness or making up shit as you go along. Safety in an effective, sound program should be a system. Not duping the general the general public by having them do something that is sure to translate into an injury in one way or the other.

I've said there are things I like about CF but doing things like high rep power exercises, "kipping" "muscle up's" and other useless things like this that people try because it looks "cool" and they like the "hardcore" look is beyond naive when looking for a program. I do however appreciate the conditioning some of these people get into. I also like watching some of the CF games, admittedly, it's somewhat inspiring. But don't lead people on thinking that everyone can do CF. Not everyone can.

[rooseveltdunn]

No one is defending that its revolutionary.  CF will never overtake BBing when it comes to douchey behavior.  No chance in hell on that.  There will NEVER be a CFer that will cancel a date or refuse holiday dinner and instead bring their tupperware of boiled chicken and steamed broccoli because they want to make sure they stay on their off season diet.

apples to oranges CF fanboys confirm the stereotype almost every time they post on any online forum, BB is by virtue of its own standards douchey, it is a sport for the vain by the vain funded by homosexuals and naive insecure people, HOWEVER many BB fans are aware of this (getbig is living proof) and know the reality and doucheness of the sport whereas CF fanboys are blissfully unaware of their annoying and self righteous attitudes. that's where the problem lies.

[Coach is Back!]

I just pulled this from the Crossfit site. This is tomorrow's WOD. Tell me what's wrong with this...



For time:
50 Double unders
50 Burpees
50 Wall ball shots, 20 pound ball
50 Back extensions
50 Push press, 45 pounds
50 Knees to elbows
Walking Lunge, 50 steps
50 Kettlebell swings, 1 pood
50 Jumping pull-ups
50 Box jump, 24 inch box

[Z Father]

apples to oranges CF fanboys confirm the stereotype almost every time they post on any online forum, BB is by virtue of its own standards douchey, it is a sport for the vain by the vain funded by homosexuals and naive insecure people, HOWEVER many BB fans are aware of this (getbig is living proof) and know the reality and doucheness of the sport whereas CF fanboys are blissfully unaware of their annoying and self righteous attitudes. that's where the problem lies.

Great post. No shit BBing is a superficial hobby that really has no importance.  Guilty as charged.

These crossfitters claws really come out when you point out FACTS about crossfit.

 Kai Greene, Strongman,  etc, they are all over place with comical analogies....change your fucking tampons already....LOL.

[Devon97]

Zero sq ft would work just fine for a crossfit.

THis

[Tedim]

I've stayed out of the way, as the conversation went completely another way........still doing research.

[Coach is Back!]

THis

You might be the only one on here who can answer my last question.

[Krankenstein]

You might be the only one on here who can answer my last question.

HA HA....programming is along the same lines as neurosurgery.  Do you really have that big of an ego??

By the way...not everyone can bodybuild or powerlift.  In the same light, not everyone can play football, baseball, golf, hockey, basketball, etc, etc, etc.

When do you plan on bashing trainers at a gym who don't have a system or plan?  Do you think everyone who is a competitive bodybuilder has a plan?  When do you do you plan on starting a thread on the coaches of major sports who don't have a clue on things?  

Answer to all....you won't.  You failed to address 95% of everything I addressed to you and you have always done that.  Truth be told, I don't think you can.

Address this : If someone has a high grade neuroforamenal encroachment, do you think that doing axial loading of any kind is good?  How about spondylolisthesis (beyond grade 2)?  Care to tell me that doing some hack squats or front squats is going to be ok?

[Krankenstein]

Great post. No shit BBing is a superficial hobby that really has no importance.  Guilty as charged.

These crossfitters claws really come out when you point out FACTS about crossfit.

 Kai Greene, Strongman,  etc, they are all over place with comical analogies....change your fucking tampons already....LOL.

So far there have only been opinions expressed.  Try and learn the difference champ.

[Coach is Back!]

HA HA....programming is along the same lines as neurosurgery.  Do you really have that big of an ego??

By the way...not everyone can bodybuild or powerlift.  In the same light, not everyone can play football, baseball, golf, hockey, basketball, etc, etc, etc.

When do you plan on bashing trainers at a gym who don't have a system or plan?  Do you think everyone who is a competitive bodybuilder has a plan?  When do you do you plan on starting a thread on the coaches of major sports who don't have a clue on things?  

Answer to all....you won't.  You failed to address 95% of everything I addressed to you and you have always done that.  Truth be told, I don't think you can.

No it's not. But you don't do 250 reps that kills your CNS before you get to the first o-lift progression and then another 200 reps that kills your CNS even further before you to box jumps for Christ's sake. That's 450 reps before you get to the box jumps.

[Krankenstein]

50 Double unders
50 Burpees
50 Wall ball shots, 20 pound ball
50 Back extensions
50 Push press, 45 pounds
50 Knees to elbows
Walking Lunge, 50 steps
50 Kettlebell swings, 1 pood
50 Jumping pull-ups
50 Box jump, 24 inch box


No it's not. But you don't do 250 reps that kills your CNS before you get to the first o-lift progression and then another 200 reps that kills your CNS even further before you to box jumps for Christ's sake. That's 450 reps before you get to the box jumps.

What is so absolutely evil with it?  Its light as hell.  Beyond that...really....tell me what is so difficult besides the Wall ball and the box jumps?  Olympic lift progression?? Umm.  A push press is an olympic lift progression.  To top it off...45 fucking lbs???  Are you serious??

The whole thing would probably take about 15 - 20 mins to complete.  I knew you would bring in that whole 'CNS killer' stuff.  Can you talk about the actual components of this phenomenon that you always bring up without sounding like you are throwing it out like some buzz word that a fuck-all trainer would.  For example "Gotta work your core man!"...."carbs are bad man, they are easily converted to fat"....."too much protein will cause kidney damage". 

Christ in a handbag...you surely are more intelligent than this....

Still waiting : If someone has a high grade neuroforamenal encroachment, do you think that doing axial loading of any kind is good?  How about spondylolisthesis (beyond grade 2)?  Care to tell me that doing some hack squats or front squats is going to be ok?

Can everyone bodybuild or powerlift?  In the same light, can anyone play football, baseball, golf, hockey, basketball, golf, tennis, etc, etc, etc.

I imagine you are like this on your political and religious threads.  Throw statement after statement out there, and then when challenged you simply pick one tiny little thing to comment on and then throw other statements out.  Typical blow hard.  I really don't know why I waste the time.  I should give myself a penalty of 20 Snatches followed by 15 EMOM Clean and jerk + 5 burpees with 315lbs.  That will teach my CNS!!!

[Coach is Back!]

What is so absolutely evil with it?  Its light as hell.  Beyond that...really....tell me what is so difficult besides the Wall ball and the box jumps?  Olympic lift progression?? Umm.  A push press is an olympic lift progression.  To top it off...45 fucking lbs???  Are you serious??

The whole thing would probably take about 15 - 20 mins to complete.  I knew you would bring in that whole 'CNS killer' stuff.  Can you talk about the actual components of this phenomenon that you always bring up without sounding like you are throwing it out like some buzz word that a fuck-all trainer would.  For example "Gotta work your core man!"...."carbs are bad man, they are easily converted to fat"....."too much protein will cause kidney damage". 

Christ in a handbag...you surely are more intelligent than this....

Still waiting : If someone has a high grade neuroforamenal encroachment, do you think that doing axial loading of any kind is good?  How about spondylolisthesis (beyond grade 2)?  Care to tell me that doing some hack squats or front squats is going to be ok?

Can everyone bodybuild or powerlift?  In the same light, can anyone play football, baseball, golf, hockey, basketball, golf, tennis, etc, etc, etc.

I imagine you are like this on your political and religious threads.  Throw statement after statement out there, and then when challenged you simply pick one tiny little thing to comment on and then throw other statements out.  Typical blow hard.  I really don't know why I waste the time.  I should give myself a penalty of 20 Snatches followed by 15 EMOM Clean and jerk + 5 burpees with 315lbs.  That will teach my CNS!!!

Arguing with crossfitters may be more annoying that arguing with liberals. *Sigh*