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Author Topic: First REAL cycle...which one?  (Read 1238 times)
JBGRAY
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« on: August 10, 2013, 02:52:48 PM »

Been lifting consistently for over 10 years, established a good base.  Dabbled in some Dbol, thats about it.  Haven't really been on a cycle.  Early 30s, non-drinker, came up aces in a physical and blood work.

Route 1: Test E, Tbol, Deca
500 mg Test E
30-50 mg Tbol daily
300 mg Deca

OR

Route 2:
500 mg Test E
400-600 mg Tren

Both of course compounded with liver protection/estrogen blocker.
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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2013, 03:46:26 PM »

I would advise you as if you were truly asking me as a friend ........ first off you have put in your work that is for sure..... there are so many people that get impatient and want to juice before building  naturally... so here's what I would recommend , test e 250mg twice week and 10-20mg dbol a day ........ pay close attention to your mood , BP , and water bloat ........ if you have issues with any of the 3 then we need to address them ..... if bloat happens add anti e if mood changes I would say your sensitive to androgenic steroids , and if you get real horny THEN FUCK AWAY for that is the test working g wondrrs
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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2013, 08:12:34 PM »

Man i need consider upping my dosages, when i see what beginners even want to run lol...

but if i was chosing between the two i would chose #1
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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2013, 11:38:14 PM »

Been lifting consistently for over 10 years, established a good base.  Dabbled in some Dbol, thats about it.  Haven't really been on a cycle.  Early 30s, non-drinker, came up aces in a physical and blood work.

Route 1: Test E, Tbol, Deca
500 mg Test E
30-50 mg Tbol daily
300 mg Deca

OR

Route 2:
500 mg Test E
400-600 mg Tren

Both of course compounded with liver protection/estrogen blocker.

I don't see the logic in running 400-600 tren, but only 300 deca.

me personally, i'd do 12 weeks total. keep the test at 500-600 (preferably 2cc of 300mg/ml enan) throughout. first 6 weeks run deca (or NPP preferably) at 500-600, and tbol at 50/day (dbol should be cheaper... and more effective).... second 6 weeks replace the deca/npp with tren at 300/wk.

so it'd look a lil like this.. ideally...

wks 1-6
Monday - 1cc test enan (300mg), 2cc npp (200mg)
Wednesday - 1cc Npp (100mg)
Friday - 1cc test enan (300mg), 2cc npp (200mg)
50mg oral every day. I prefer 50mg in one dose, as opposed to splitting the doses.
.25mg arimidex on Tuesday & Saturday

wks 7-12
Monday - 1cc test enan (300mg), 1cc Tren (100mg)
Wednesday - 1cc Tren (100mg)
Friday - 1cc test enan (300mg), 1cc tren (100mg)
.25mg arimidex on Tuesday & Saturday

weeks 13&14
10mg nolva/day

week 15 - 5000iu HCG
weeks 16&17 - 50mg clomid/day
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JBGRAY
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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2013, 01:21:48 PM »

Thanks for the advices all.
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shrek
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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2013, 02:15:14 PM »

I don't see the logic in running 400-600 tren, but only 300 deca.

me personally, i'd do 12 weeks total. keep the test at 500-600 (preferably 2cc of 300mg/ml enan) throughout. first 6 weeks run deca (or NPP preferably) at 500-600, and tbol at 50/day (dbol should be cheaper... and more effective).... second 6 weeks replace the deca/npp with tren at 300/wk.

so it'd look a lil like this.. ideally...

wks 1-6
Monday - 1cc test enan (300mg), 2cc npp (200mg)
Wednesday - 1cc Npp (100mg)
Friday - 1cc test enan (300mg), 2cc npp (200mg)
50mg oral every day. I prefer 50mg in one dose, as opposed to splitting the doses.
.25mg arimidex on Tuesday & Saturday

wks 7-12
Monday - 1cc test enan (300mg), 1cc Tren (100mg)
Wednesday - 1cc Tren (100mg)
Friday - 1cc test enan (300mg), 1cc tren (100mg)
.25mg arimidex on Tuesday & Saturday

weeks 13&14
10mg nolva/day

week 15 - 5000iu HCG
weeks 16&17 - 50mg clomid/day
Are you advicing him to take 50mg dbol ED
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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2013, 02:31:08 PM »

Personally I would keep it simple if this is your 1st real cycle, see how your BP reacts, etc. 500mg test-e, maybe an oral like dbol 30mg throughout the day (note there is often a big difference HG dbol and UG in terms of strength, 30mg HG knocked my socks off). I wouldn't bother with deca at 300mg, perhaps later for a second cycle try deca, u can start low for 2 weeks see how u react but anything lower than 600 is meh. When you add too many compounds and you are just starting, say you get high bp, or any other side, you don't exactly know which caused it. You might have an idea but that's about it.
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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2013, 10:04:23 PM »

just run 250 test for a year straight.

no need to make things overly complicated

if you think gains will come faster with higher doses, well, good luck

dont fool yourself, they do.
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2013, 12:20:19 AM »

just run 250 test for a year straight.

no need to make things overly complicated

if you think gains will come faster with higher doses, well, good luck

....says the physique of Michael phelps.
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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2013, 12:23:15 AM »

Are you advicing him to take 50mg dbol ED

I think he wanted tbol. I mentioned dbol was cheaper and IMO more effective. if he ran drol i'd say 100mg. (in my experience 50mg dbol = 100mg drol... less bloat/bp/nosebleeds with drol though).

50/day of either tbol or dbol.
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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2013, 03:48:32 AM »

I think he wanted tbol. I mentioned dbol was cheaper and IMO more effective. if he ran drol i'd say 100mg. (in my experience 50mg dbol = 100mg drol... less bloat/bp/nosebleeds with drol though).

50/day of either tbol or dbol.
This is his first cycle , that is not a smart thing to start off with 50 mg of dbol.... if you believe 50 equals 100 a bomb then you used very weak dbol
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2013, 04:53:30 AM »

This is his first cycle , that is not a smart thing to start off with 50 mg of dbol.... if you believe 50 equals 100 a bomb then you used very weak dbol

I'd always err on the side of 'more than enough'. 50mg vs 25 mg's were talking 175 vs. 350 per week. I don't think 50 is too much.. I may be a lil 'more than enough', but surely not 75mg/day.

I've used 'weak' dbol, as well as top notch dbol and everything in between. from reforvit-b, to thai pinks, to naposim's, to various ug's dbol's. I use my own (use my own everything).. and still i'd rather see him use 50/day (in one dose.. not two.. just from my own experience).

... and saying 50mg dbol = 100mg drol, I wasn't saying dbol was weak, just that drol was weaker mg/mg and for me, those are the minimum doses of each... give or take. (i'd also say 50 min of winstrol... even though I don't think winny compares to either of them).... speaking on winny, I gotta go take my nighttime dose of 75mgs! lol (now that I gotta take twice a day, b/c I can't stomach 6cc of peg300 at once. lol)
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2013, 05:08:43 AM »

For guys who gave juiced 50mgs dbol at short term but for a newbie that's not a safe road especially at his age ..... heaain't no spring chicken so he won't repair the damage as fast
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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2013, 11:52:26 AM »

For guys who gave juiced 50mgs dbol at short term but for a newbie that's not a safe road especially at his age ..... heaain't no spring chicken so he won't repair the damage as fast

he's early 30's, and i'd say only run the dbol the first 6wks. The liver enzymes will be elevated, but they shouldn't be 'bad' high, and 3 weeks of so after stopping, they should be back down, even with running tren.

i'll see if I can make time to get a LFT before my next dbol run in a week or so and do a before/after. Should be running 100 or so of the dbol. I'll be a wooden nickel they won't be higher than they were after 9 months of running drol/tren together (actually, running tren for over a year at that point, just added the drol about 9 months earlier, and at the time of the test, the drol was bumped to around 200/day... bilirubin was high, and either ast or alt was about double 'high', but I had no jaundice whatsoever... eyes/nails/skin were perfect..... alcohol raises liver enzymes much much higher than AAS)
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