how about do 16-25 sets of flies for chest, skip the pressing

[keanu]

Heavy flies that go deep = blown rotator cuff.

[Psychopath]

Marathon runners are huge they do the same each week.

Tell us what you really think...

[Mr Nobody]

Tell us what you really think...

26 sets 4 - 5 days a week.

[Big Chiro Flex]

If you want to bring up a lagging body part, train that body part 2-3x/wk.

I concur with this gentleman.

[Big Chiro Flex]

Overall volume has to be more than what you were doing previously. After a couple of weeks of doing this, you'll adapt and gain.

Training to failure is not necessary though, actually, it's counter productive. 

Can you expound on this? I train my chest (always a weak bodypart for me) 2-3x a week, but always take sets to failure. What's your reason for not?

[Psychopath]

Can you expound on this? I train my chest (always a weak bodypart for me) 2-3x a week, but always take sets to failure. What's your reason for not?

You just want to stimulate protein synthesis, but not cause substantial muscle tissue breakdown.

Protein synthesis is elevated for 24-48hrs after a training session, so training 2-3x/wk will keep signaling your muscle to actively grow and recover, but you want to facilitate this process by not destroying your chest each session.

[Big Chiro Flex]

You just want to stimulate protein synthesis, but not cause substantial muscle tissue breakdown.

Protein synthesis is elevated for 24-48hrs after a training session, so training 2-3x/wk will keep signaling your muscle to actively grow and recover, but you want to facilitate this process by not destroying your chest each session.

Interesting bro, thanks.

[dyslexic]

Not much excess thinking based on kinesiology here... and empirical data.


Rep schemes? Nonsense.


Learn how and what makes a muscle work, and then work it. I don't care if it comes down to standing on your head. It might even be better that way because at the very least, you would be thinking.. possibly even using logic.

[_bruce_]

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Brutal.

[SF1900]

Try 150 sets of dips with chains hanging around your neck for maximum growth.

[anab0lic]

my chest barely grew at all from benching for years... dumbells, barbells, inclines,declines wide grip close grip...i did everything... wasnt till i started getting stronger on pec fly machines/cables did i actually get some pecs.  Never understand why people think its a good chest builder the function of the pecs isnt a pressing movement, the tris and delts are doing nearly all the work.

[Big Chiro Flex]

My sickest chest pumps come from a variety of dumbell presses. I know the whole triceps and delts overpower the blah blah blah argument, but if I want a wicked chest pump, it's from dumbell presses and possibly a snickers ice cream bar pre workout.

[anabolichalo]

My sickest chest pumps come from a variety of dumbell presses. I know the whole triceps and delts overpower the blah blah blah argument, but if I want a wicked chest pump, it's from dumbell presses and possibly a snickers ice cream bar pre workout.

did it grow your tits tho?

pump = growth?

thanks

[SF1900]

my chest barely grew at all from benching for years... dumbells, barbells, inclines,declines wide grip close grip...i did everything... wasnt till i started getting stronger on pec fly machines/cables did i actually get some pecs.  Never understand why people think its a good chest builder the function of the pecs isnt a pressing movement, the tris and delts are doing nearly all the work.

Because of Arnold. Arnold benched press and had huge pecs, therefore, bench pressing gives people huge pecs, and everyone does them.

Arnold could have done all flies and still had that chest.

[Big Chiro Flex]

did it grow your tits tho?

pump = growth?

thanks

Yes.

[anabolichalo]

is it a correct observation RC was more of a dumbell man than a barbell man?

[Big Chiro Flex]

is it a correct observation RC was more of a dumbell man than a barbell man?

For chest: yes

[MCWAY]

pressing doesnt really work chest anyway

Speak for yourself!!

[anabolichalo]

For chest: yes

was this brian dobson's plan

[Mr Nobody]

Because of Arnold. Arnold benched press and had huge pecs, therefore, bench pressing gives people huge pecs, and everyone does them.

Arnold could have done all flies and still had that chest.

What does that say? GENETICS

[Devon97]

according to Blakely (whom i know personally) post-exhaust is better ie. first press then fly

btw, can you still dunk a basketball?

YOu mean post -activation

[Overload]

There was a guy on here years ago that had been lifting for a long time.  The last 5 years or so of his training was all flyes and dips, no pressing.  He posted some pics and his chest looked like armor plating.

Due to shoulder and elbow injuries, i don't press as much as i used to.  Sometimes i'll do 4-5 sets of DB presses and then do 10-12 sets of flyes in different variations.  I think my chest looks better today than ever.  Back when i was power lifting and did very heavy BB bench, it seemed the only thing that grew was my shoulders and triceps.

I still believe presses are important, but they aren't everything IMO.

[dj181]

YOu mean post -activation

yep it could be put that way

the idea behind doing the compound move 1st is because one can use greater training loads which in turn facilitates greater size and strength gains

[anabolichalo]

There was a guy on here years ago that had been lifting for a long time.  The last 5 years or so of his training was all flyes and dips, no pressing.  He posted some pics and his chest looked like armor plating.

Due to shoulder and elbow injuries, i don't press as much as i used to.  Sometimes i'll do 4-5 sets of DB presses and then do 10-12 sets of flyes in different variations.  I think my chest looks better today than ever.  Back when i was power lifting and did very heavy BB bench, it seemed the only thing that grew was my shoulders and triceps.

I still believe presses are important, but they aren't everything IMO.

sounds good

[Van_Bilderass]

If barbell presses are "all delts and tris" how come most pec tears come from bb presses?
If there's no tension put on the pec major we wouldn't see all these pec tears from it.