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WHY NATURAL BODYBUILDERS ARE NOT NATURAL.
« on: August 11, 2013, 10:14:37 AM »
OK let me explain a few things in simple terms so you guys understand.

I have had more blood work done in the last ten years then I can count.

Now the range for human test levels is from 300-1100 and that is being generous, most charts say average 300-850, which means that it is 1 in a million to be above those levels and it is nearly unheard off. in the case that any natural is above that we are talking by just 10%, which I doubt but I will give someone with the most insane genetics a 1200ng PER dl  count, trust me, nobody would score this high naturally.


Now take one guy with shitty genetics and give him 1 shot of test per week, within a couple of weeks his test levels will smash those of the most genetically gifted naturals on the planet and you guys know full well that someone with the shitiest  genetics on a shot a week could never ever look like some of these natural bodybuilder, yet he scores higher.

Even 5 shots of test per week has the charts saying greater then 5000 ng PER dl. So if a natural take even 2 shots per week he is tripling if not quadrupling his natural production, hence this is why they are dumb enough to claim natural cause they feel ''only 2 or 3 shots''  ''nobody will know'', while they don't realize that even that low amounts triples your natural limits.

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Re: WHY NATURAL BODYBUILDERS ARE NOT NATURAL.
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2013, 02:25:31 PM »
  Great post. Great.

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Re: WHY NATURAL BODYBUILDERS ARE NOT NATURAL.
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2013, 02:30:02 PM »
Are you saying that no one who competes and looks good is natural?

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Re: WHY NATURAL BODYBUILDERS ARE NOT NATURAL.
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2013, 02:30:47 PM »
OTH, where does heme-iron fit into the equation.

I await your response.
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Re: WHY NATURAL BODYBUILDERS ARE NOT NATURAL.
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2013, 02:32:21 PM »
OTH, where does heme-iron fit into the equation.

I await your response.
who is hemi iron?, sorry my mind is not all there today

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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2013, 02:34:21 PM »

All claim Natty.

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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2013, 02:35:58 PM »
Are you saying that no one who competes and looks good is natural?
no, what I am saying is that someone with bad genetics should, giving as much roids as needed and considering he does not have fat genes, be able to surpass anyone natural, as the reason that someone with bad genetics has bad genetics is because he has low test levels and to take that out of the equation there is an even playing field.

But you do not see these guys beating guys like Layne Norton any time soon, do you?

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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2013, 02:37:50 PM »
no, what I am saying is that someone with bad genetics should, giving as much roids as needed and considering he does not have fat genes, be able to surpass anyone natural, as the reason that someone with bad genetics has bad genetics is because he has low test levels and to take that out of the equation there is an even playing field.

But you do not see these guys beating guys like Layne Norton any time soon, do you?
But what about muscle insertions and tie in , balance , symmetry its just not down to test levels surely?

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Re: WHY NATURAL BODYBUILDERS ARE NOT NATURAL.
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2013, 02:38:59 PM »
But what about muscle insertions and tie in , balance , symmetry its just not down to test levels surely?
we are not talking about that, we are talking about shredded muscle.

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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2013, 02:42:34 PM »
so this guy

can surpass this guy, just by taking steroids?

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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2013, 02:52:51 PM »
Good post, could I ask a question?

Suppose you had a guy, who claimed he was natural, meaning he has never taken Prohormones or AAS.

Let's say the guy takes every supplement under the sun.  While some supplements could have natural sources (BCAA, Creatine, Whey, etc.), they are all manufactured in labs or factories.

In this situation, can the guy still claim "natural"?  Or is a new term needed to define those that say "I don't take illegal substances"?

Just wondering...
Yes he can still claim natural because non of the compounds you mention elevate your testosterone levels.

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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2013, 03:02:39 PM »
who is hemi iron?, sorry my mind is not all there today


According to Johnny Falcon, heme-iron is the cause of cancer. Heme iron is found in many foods.  :-\ :-\ :-\
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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2013, 03:12:08 PM »
so this guy

can surpass this guy, just by taking steroids?


how the fuck would you be able to know?

do we really need to break out the pics of levrone, dillet, yates, et al. looking like complete bottom-feeding twinks?


All claim Natty.

bunch of assholes, need to be tossed in the oven

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Re: WHY NATURAL BODYBUILDERS ARE NOT NATURAL.
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2013, 03:14:12 PM »
how the fuck would you be able to know?

do we really need to break out the pics of levrone, dillet, yates, et al. looking like complete bottom-feeding twinks?

bunch of assholes, need to be tossed in the oven
I dont know, you are right, but OTH seems to know that anabolics can make almost "anyone" better than a natural.

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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2013, 03:41:40 PM »
nah he needs new life first.

i just wanted to add that i read somewhere on the internet that during puberty , males produce as much as 36iu gh daily.

fucking hell.that makes gh15 look like moderate guy.

now, 1 test shot eekly, say enanthate, thatll be what, minus the ester, some 180mgs, ie, 20-25mgs daily.

thats more like 5 times the test levels of natural male whos 25+ age.


Ya but we are rounding to the highest possible levels a human being can have naturally, which would still be way more then double at only one shot per week.

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« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2013, 03:44:48 PM »
I dont know, you are right, but OTH seems to know that anabolics can make almost "anyone" better than a natural.
OK explain yourself then, the diet is in check, the training is in check the AAS is in check, even with crappiest genetics in the world the guy will still be big and shredded, if you claim he will not be then explain to us the boundary limits and what is the cause of him not being big and shredded, you can't cause that is all the variables needed to be big and shredded, nothing more, this is not rocket science here bro.

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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2013, 03:46:51 PM »
Man JJ is jacked there.

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Re: WHY NATURAL BODYBUILDERS ARE NOT NATURAL.
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2013, 03:51:32 PM »
 ALL LIARS.

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Re: WHY NATURAL BODYBUILDERS ARE NOT NATURAL.
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2013, 03:58:13 PM »


According to Johnny Falcon, heme-iron is the cause of cancer. Heme iron is found in many foods.  :-\ :-\ :-\
OH hemi-iron, lmao, I thought you were referring to some natural that calls himself hemi-iron and were asking if he was natural, lol, jeez I am dumb sometimes  :D

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yah i fiercly believe that everyone who follows diet properly,all the time,with some overeating rather than not abiding by the 200gramm protein daily rule, and trains right(not swinging weights)and uses evem just hrt he will develop an impressive body.will take time but will happen
exactly, totally agree

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Re: WHY NATURAL BODYBUILDERS ARE NOT NATURAL.
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2013, 04:00:08 PM »
so this guy

can surpass this guy, just by taking steroids?


Obviously a before and after of the same dude. lol

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Re: WHY NATURAL BODYBUILDERS ARE NOT NATURAL.
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2013, 04:05:21 PM »
so this guy

can surpass this guy, just by taking steroids?

Throw this guy on 1000mg a week and have him train and eat like a bodybuilder then yes he can be bigger and more shredded then that guy, will never look as good because that guy has awesome muscle insertions but he could carry more ripped muscle.

If you think he can't EINSTEIN then please explain to us your scientific reasonings for him not being able to.

The test is there, the training is there, the diet is there, nothing more is needed from a scientific point of view, NOTHING, waiting for your response.

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Re: WHY NATURAL BODYBUILDERS ARE NOT NATURAL.
« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2013, 04:12:48 PM »
So, do you have this science down so precisely that you could make a hypothetical guess as to where a guy who has 400 nanongrams per decilitre naturally takes one shot of Enanthate @ 250 mg (minus ester of carboxylic acid) a week would be on the ng per dl chart post injection?

Just curious...

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« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2013, 04:17:22 PM »
So, do you have this science down so precisely that you could make a hypothetical guess as to where a guy who has 400 nanongrams per decilitre naturally takes one shot of Enanthate @ 250 mg (minus ester of carboxylic acid) a week would be on the ng per dl chart post injection?

Just curious...
yes absolutely but it varies tremendously per individual. The ones with the worse genetics will score over 1000 ng PER dl and the ones with super genetics for absorption would score as high as 2000ng PER dl OFF A SINGLE SHOT per week.

Now saying that someone with horrendous genetics will not get those numbers is the equivalent as saying someone might not get drunk with a liter of vodka due to his genetics, not happening.

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Re: WHY NATURAL BODYBUILDERS ARE NOT NATURAL.
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2013, 04:20:52 PM »
Exogenous hormones/black genetics(lol, ;D) = Cheating/not natural

Creatine/Protein Powder/Tribulus/EC = still natural


I don't see the point of your post. Even if so called "natural" bb'ers justify injecting exogenous hormones based on poorly misunderstood facts, nonetheless, they're still cheating.



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Re: WHY NATURAL BODYBUILDERS ARE NOT NATURAL.
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2013, 04:34:48 PM »
OTH, I honestly respect your advice bro, but tell my why then at 700testp/700trena/900eq I still didn't turn into a mass monster? Granted my gear was prob weak and I ate to stay somewhat lean (for the most part). I think some don't respond as simply as described