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Re: WHY NATURAL BODYBUILDERS ARE NOT NATURAL.
« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2013, 04:37:15 PM »
OTH, I honestly respect your advice bro, but tell my why then at 700testp/700trena/900eq I still didn't turn into a mass monster? Granted my gear was prob weak and I ate to stay somewhat lean (for the most part). I think some don't respond as simply as described


Yeah, not everyone who hops on gear turns huge. It's sad and disappointing actually.

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« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2013, 06:16:30 PM »
I beat many steroid users in BB shows , they were bigger than me but  I was leaner and better shape/symmetry/proportions.............

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« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2013, 06:19:16 PM »
I beat many steroid users in BB shows , they were bigger than me but  I was leaner and better shape/symmetry/proportions.............

By "beat" do you mean handjobs?  ;D

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« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2013, 06:20:29 PM »
By "beat" do you mean handjobs?  ;D

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Yes ;D

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« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2013, 06:44:55 PM »
A lot of rationalization to justify sticking a syringe in your ass to have muscles that are reliant upon to continued use of outside testosterone derivatives.

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Re: WHY NATURAL BODYBUILDERS ARE NOT NATURAL.
« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2013, 06:48:55 PM »
OTH, I honestly respect your advice bro, but tell my why then at 700testp/700trena/900eq I still didn't turn into a mass monster? Granted my gear was prob weak and I ate to stay somewhat lean (for the most part). I think some don't respond as simply as described
a mass monster? it takes 3 times that amount to be a mass monster, sorry, if by a mass monster you are talking about the size of a pro.

Did you or did you not surpass these numbers? since I don't know your stats I will throw numbers at you


5 foot 6  175 lean

5 foot 9 190 lean

6 foot 205-210 lean

6 foot 3  220-225 lean

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« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2013, 06:50:33 PM »

Yeah, not everyone who hops on gear turns huge. It's sad and disappointing actually.
anyone who hops on gear can surpass the natural limitation considering their diet is in check, their training is in check, rest and they do not have a problem with body fat issues like thyroid etc

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« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2013, 06:55:15 PM »
A lot of rationalization to justify sticking a syringe in your ass to have muscles that are reliant upon to continued use of outside testosterone derivatives.
are you or are you not on a bodybuilding site?  

good, then STFU please, save the HS for your facebook and twitter accounts.

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« Reply #33 on: August 11, 2013, 07:14:06 PM »
a mass monster? it takes 3 times that amount to be a mass monster, sorry, if by a mass monster you are talking about the size of a pro.

Did you or did you not surpass these numbers? since I don't know your stats I will throw numbers at you


5 foot 6  175 lean

5 foot 9 190 lean

6 foot 205-210 lean

6 foot 3  220-225 lean
Those are good numbers. I have trained for 33 yrs and can't never get past around 170# at 5'4. I quess some can get bigger naturally but not me.

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« Reply #34 on: August 11, 2013, 07:15:28 PM »
Those are good numbers. I have trained for 33 yrs and can't never get past around 170# at 5'4. I quess some can get bigger naturally but not me.
I think those are the natural limits IMO from what I have seen throughout my years.

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« Reply #35 on: August 11, 2013, 07:18:07 PM »
I think those are the natural limits IMO from what I have seen throughout my years.
Pretty good limits, but I think it will take a long time to get there for most guys.

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« Reply #36 on: August 11, 2013, 07:20:20 PM »
Pretty good limits, but I think it will take a long time to get there for most guys.
Oh ya, for sure, those are limits for the genetically gifted most will not see these number ever. and we are talking in condition though.

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« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2013, 07:27:21 PM »
what is your defintion of lean ,though.

abs visible, or striations on quads shining through?

xmas tree coming out?


Those numbers are for stage ready condition, however natural stage read is not as lean juice head stage ready so I would say a tad more bodyfat then you have as you would be more shredded then natural stage ready. I am also talking the best of the best, not average, we are talking top of the food chain

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« Reply #38 on: August 11, 2013, 07:36:26 PM »
Those numbers are for stage ready condition, however natural stage read is not as lean juice head stage ready so I would say a tad more bodyfat then you have as you would be more shredded then natural stage ready. I am also talking the best of the best, not average, we are talking top of the food chain
I don't know about stage ready. If we are talking about stage ready, the numbers would be at least 10 pounds lighter.

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Re: WHY NATURAL BODYBUILDERS ARE NOT NATURAL.
« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2013, 07:45:28 PM »
i think that the name of "natural" bodybuilder beter to be changed to NO-USING-PED bodybuilder.

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« Reply #40 on: August 11, 2013, 07:52:56 PM »
i think that the name of "natural" bodybuilder beter to be changed to NO-USING-PED bodybuilder.

look who's here posting about natural bodybuilding

you piece of lying shit


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« Reply #41 on: August 11, 2013, 08:24:42 PM »
Anybody that takes enough AAS will grow larger and stronger with training.  Anybody.  Just look at the so called "women" that take that stuff to see the truth of it. 

Genetics only come into play with regard to muscle instertions, length and the like.  Tom Prince is a princess without the juice as is Paul Dillet and so many others. Ronnie Coleman is deflating as we speak.  Dorain Yates is pretty darn normal looking for such a genetic freak. 

I agree with the OP with regard to this stuff.  He knows what he's talking about and what he says seems to me to be pretty spot on.  Franco Columbu, anyone?

 

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« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2013, 08:34:54 PM »
well, firstly, test p at 700 is kinda little, 700tren a is kinda unnecesary high for that purpose and eq is weaksauce.

so we have, kinda poor gear choice, potentialy underdos or fake gear, diet we dont know, very vague description, and maybe you train like shit.maybe you dont focus on the muscle working.

thats still a huge dosage overall, so somethings wrong there.

and....for how long did you run that gear?

get something like this, 500mg test e weekly which you 100 percent know its real, run that for 2 years non stop, eat properly, train almost every day.

then and no sooner see how far you go.

have a ersonal trainer show you and obsrve ALL of your exrecises, and tell you if your form is good.im not joking.i need this myself for some bodyparts after 10 years+ of training.

eat 200 gramm protein minimum every day, all days, absolute minimum.not shakes, eat food.or even more protein.the rest moderate amounts.

then after 2 years, if that didnt work, only then you can say gear doesnt make everyone respond the same way.

even on gear, takes time.i dont know what the hell ppl think, gear doesnt accelerate the process much, it just help breaking through the natural limits, increases recovery and helps greatly with dieting.other than that, theres no magic to it.

I appreciate the advice. I have been on test-e at 500 or more for about at least 9 months (going off memory prob longer cuz I started with hrt dose, can't recall when I bumped). Ran Deca/EQ at some point while on the test. The Deca made a difference, certainly not massive, but noticeable, 12-14 or so weeks isn't a lot of time in the grand scheme of things I guess. Then hopped on the tren/eq/testp, been on this since somewhere in june I want to say. The first batch of tren (different brand) I had was great, either that or I just responded well to it being a new compound. I you are right, this shit takes time. Training is pretty good, I had a trainer a yr ago for the purpose of critiquing things.

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a mass monster? it takes 3 times that amount to be a mass monster, sorry, if by a mass monster you are talking about the size of a pro.

Did you or did you not surpass these numbers? since I don't know your stats I will throw numbers at you


5 foot 6  175 lean

5 foot 9 190 lean

6 foot 205-210 lean

6 foot 3  220-225 lean

Bro I agree, I wouldn't be surprised if they mega dose, it's just that I often hear on the board all one needs to get big is slightly above hrt dose w some mast. Perhaps some can make significant gains on that but I can't. I'm roughly 6'2" sitting at 219lb, not sure of bf at the moment because I was measured a few months back, have full abs but look a little watery/smooth overall, though nothing major (I switched to test e @ 1g); veins pop out everywhere on my arms when working out. I'd say one of my biggest problems is moderating my diet, specifically carbs. Too low and I swear I shrivel up (and it's not glycogen loss, my muscle goes bye bye) and weak in the gym (no access to ephedrine and caffeine isn't much help), too much carbs and well we both know what happens there, but carbs pack muscle on me. Your advice is appreciated

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Re: WHY NATURAL BODYBUILDERS ARE NOT NATURAL.
« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2013, 09:32:20 PM »
Are you saying that no one who competes and looks good is natural?

No such thing as natural.

Never was.

Never will be.

All naturals look like sacks of shit.

All natural events are a fraud.

The one's that don't respond well to gear -- will go their entire lives pointing fingers and claiming natural status.

I got close friends who compete in natural events, but prep on test and tren. These pieces of shit should be given a Colombian necktie. Actually, let's be fair - it's only natural for humans to lie, since they are still filthy liars perhaps a frontal lobotomy without anesthesia is enough.


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« Reply #44 on: August 11, 2013, 10:39:11 PM »
Throw this guy on 1000mg a week and have him train and eat like a bodybuilder then yes he can be bigger and more shredded then that guy, will never look as good because that guy has awesome muscle insertions but he could carry more ripped muscle.

If you think he can't EINSTEIN then please explain to us your scientific reasonings for him not being able to.

The test is there, the training is there, the diet is there, nothing more is needed from a scientific point of view, NOTHING, waiting for your response.

Ready for it....because no matter what some people take it just doesn't work.
How many guys are taking multiple grams of gear yet still look like shit?
The gear is in the system, they eat right, they train like animals, and the result is they still look like shit, explain that with your bro science?

PS I notice you have now reverted to "can be" as opposed to will be.

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« Reply #45 on: August 11, 2013, 10:43:31 PM »
No such thing as natural.

Never was.

Never will be.

All naturals look like sacks of shit.

All natural events are a fraud.

The one's that don't respond well to gear -- will go their entire lives pointing fingers and claiming natural status.

I got close friends who compete in natural events, but prep on test and tren. These pieces of shit should be given a Colombian necktie. Actually, let's be fair - it's only natural for humans to lie, since they are still filthy liars perhaps a frontal lobotomy without anesthesia is enough.



And the ones that have shit genetics always point at the ones with good genetics for bodybuilding and say "its all drugs"

Some people have no idea what is actually acheiveable without drugs, in fact they appear to believe litteraly nothing is achievable
FFS we had people in another thread saying Tiger Woods is using PEDS to achive his look  ::)

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Re: WHY NATURAL BODYBUILDERS ARE NOT NATURAL.
« Reply #46 on: August 12, 2013, 12:24:13 AM »
look who's here posting about natural bodybuilding

you piece of lying shit



QFT

musclecenter is NOT lifetime natural, ever

i would say MC is on low dose 500mg test./week @ least now

60 year old asian men cannot be muscular and lean liek he is without steroids

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Re: WHY NATURAL BODYBUILDERS ARE NOT NATURAL.
« Reply #47 on: August 12, 2013, 12:26:16 AM »

"natural BB" truthfully means steroid users but with lousy genetics for BB


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Re: WHY NATURAL BODYBUILDERS ARE NOT NATURAL.
« Reply #48 on: August 12, 2013, 01:36:13 AM »
I don't use whey protein, creatine or any supplements so I really am natural  8)

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« Reply #49 on: August 12, 2013, 01:53:51 AM »
I don't know about stage ready. If we are talking about stage ready, the numbers would be at least 10 pounds lighter.
I actually hold your view, so yes you are right, I am just giving heavy numbers so people do not think I am favoring my point, 10lb less as you say actually pronounces my point all the more.  ;)