Bill O'Reilly Exposes Al Sharpton for Lying 'Once Again' on National Television

[avxo]

shouldn't he be investigated for fraud first and then kicked off if committing said fraud

Of course – he should first be investigated. I don't believe in summary execution, nor do I believe that what some guy says on an Internet forum should be dispositive.

what fraud do you think he might be committing ?

It's quite obvious that he is capable of working but just doesn't care to, choosing instead to freeload. I find that unacceptable and believe that his freeloading is likely to be a violation of the letter of the law. According to http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/applicant_recipients/eligibility.htm:

Generally ABAWDS between 18 and 50 who do not have any dependent children can get SNAP benefits only for 3 months in a 36-month period if they do not work or participate in a workfare or employment and training program other than job search. This requirement is waived in some locations.

With some exceptions, able-bodied adults between 16 and 60 must register for work, accept suitable employment, and take part in an employment and training program to which they are referred by the local office. Failure to comply with these requirements can result in disqualification from the Program.

And yet, here is this guy whose routine is to "wake up, go down to the beach, hang out with my friends, hit on some chicks, start drinking". Well fuck! How long has been receiving assistance? How long has he been without a job? If nothing else, he seems pretty able-bodied, and I am forced to wonder, has he registered for work, been offered suitable employment (whatever "suitable" means here) and taken part in employment and training programs to which he was referred to by the local office? Was he even referred to anything by the local office? I think these are all legitimate questions that I have a right to ask, seeing how I'm paying for him.

Now, it's possible that everything is kosher. But even if that's the case, I'd argue that this is a violation of the spirit of the law. Ultimately, if you need to rely on public assistance you have a moral and ethical obligation to get a job – ANY job to reduce the burden that you place on other people; not just hang out at the beach, drink, hit on chicks and surf. Because nobody has a right to be a leech on other people nor to stake claim on other people's hard work.

If I sound angry, it's because I am. I bust my ass day in and day out, working really hard and way over 60 hours a week, every month. And for what? So this guy can hang out on the beach? What will he do if stop supporting him? It would be really easy you know; all I need to do is quit my job. I have enough saved to live comfortably for a while and a long, relaxing vacation would be very welcome. What would Jason the Surfer – and all other Jasons out there – do then?

I have no problem giving my fellow citizens a helping hand (although I dislike being forced to do it at the point of the government's gun) when they need it provided they work to better themselves and get to a point where they no longer need my help. I do have a problem with being used and treated as someone else's slave.

And you know what? When I see this asshole living la vida loca, I feel like his slave.

[calfzilla]

that's why I asked avxo what fraud this guy is committing

Just using the rules set in place to benefit him. Same thing rich people do daily. All legal.

[Straw Man]

Of course – he should first be investigated. I don't believe in summary execution, nor do I believe that what some guy says on an Internet forum should be dispositive.


It's quite obvious that he is capable of working but just doesn't care to, choosing instead to freeload. I find that unacceptable and believe that his freeloading is likely to be a violation of the letter of the law. According to http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/applicant_recipients/eligibility.htm:

And yet, here is this guy whose routine is to "wake up, go down to the beach, hang out with my friends, hit on some chicks, start drinking". Well fuck! How long has been receiving assistance? How long has he been without a job? If nothing else, he seems pretty able-bodied, and I am forced to wonder, has he registered for work, been offered suitable employment (whatever "suitable" means here) and taken part in employment and training programs to which he was referred to by the local office? Was he even referred to anything by the local office? I think these are all legitimate questions that I have a right to ask, seeing how I'm paying for him.

Now, it's possible that everything is kosher. But even if that's the case, I'd argue that this is a violation of the spirit of the law. Ultimately, if you need to rely on public assistance you have a moral and ethical obligation to get a job – ANY job to reduce the burden that you place on other people; not just hang out at the beach, drink, hit on chicks and surf. Because nobody has a right to be a leech on other people nor to stake claim on other people's hard work.

If I sound angry, it's because I am. I bust my ass day in and day out, working really hard and way over 60 hours a week, every month. And for what? So this guy can hang out on the beach? What will he do if stop supporting him? It would be really easy you know; all I need to do is quit my job. I have enough saved to live comfortably for a while and a long, relaxing vacation would be very welcome. What would Jason the Surfer – and all other Jasons out there – do then?

I have no problem giving my fellow citizens a helping hand (although I dislike being forced to do it at the point of the government's gun) when they need it provided they work to better themselves and get to a point where they no longer need my help. I do have a problem with being used and treated as someone else's slave.

And you know what? When I see this asshole living la vida loca, I feel like his slave.

Given that this guy is dumb enough to allow himself to be on TV bragging about this it's quite likely that if he is breaking any rules it won't be for much longer.  He also may not be breaking any rules at all if he's being held to the standards from your own link:

Generally ABAWDS between 18 and 50 who do not have any dependent children can get SNAP benefits only for 3 months in a 36-month period if they do not work or participate in a workfare or employment and training program other than job search. This requirement is waived in some locations.

With some exceptions, able-bodied adults between 16 and 60 must register for work, accept suitable employment, and take part in an employment and training program to which they are referred by the local office. Failure to comply with these requirements can result in disqualification from the Program.

The real fraud is Fox calling this guy  "the new face of food stamps" as if he is representative of the majority of people on food stamps and not the 1% of people or perhaps even the one tenth of one percent. 

[Fury]

Fox News should be ashamed of itself for portraying this guy (Jason the Surfer) as representative of the typical recipient of SNAP benefits
But then again Fox knows that the majority of their viewers are morons who will gobble up this shit hook, line and sinker and beg for more

This is comical considering you're the guy who had the phrase "Christians, like soldiers, ask no questions" under his avatar for years. You are a gigantic hypocrite.

You seem upset that SNAP fraud was exposed. You do know that it was documented in NYC that food stamps are being used to buy food that is then shipped off to be sold in places like the Dominican Republic, right? Of course not. 

[Straw Man]

This is comical considering you're the guy who had the phrase "Christians, like soldiers, ask no questions" under his avatar for years. You are a gigantic hypocrite.

You seem upset that SNAP fraud was exposed. You do know that it was documented in NYC that food stamps are being used to buy food that is then shipped off to be sold in places like the Dominican Republic, right? Of course not. 

Fairy, you are by fair the dumbest person on this board

If you were capable of reading my posts you would understand what my issue is with this phony story by Faux News

You should be happy SNAP exists because when your parents finally kick you out of the house you're probably going to need it

btw dunce  - that quote was from Jerry Falwell

[avxo]

Given that this guy is dumb enough to allow himself to be on TV bragging about this it's quite likely that if he is breaking any rules it won't be for much longer.  He also may not be breaking any rules at all if he's being held to the standards from your own link:

Perhaps, but that would only prove that the rules need to change!

The real fraud is Fox calling this guy  "the new face of food stamps" as if he is representative of the majority of people on food stamps and not the 1% of people or perhaps even the one tenth of one percent. 

So a pundit known for exaggerating and sensationalizing things on a network known to exaggerate and sensationalize things exaggerated and sensationalized things... I should be surprised why?

[Skip8282]

Fairy, you are by fair the dumbest person on this board

If you were capable of reading my posts you would understand what my issue is with this phony story by Faux News

You should be happy SNAP exists because when your parents finally kick you out of the house you're probably going to need it

btw dunce  - that quote was from Jerry Falwell

No, he's not...he's dead-on.

You're crying because Fox is using one example to apply it across the board.

Yet you're the same one who keeps trying to act as though ONE Congressman calling ONE action of Repubs stupid means Republicans consider themselves stupid, or as you like to use, by their own admission. 

You do exactly what Fox is doing and you do it all the time and you're too much of a bitch to own up to it.

[tonymctones]

No, he's not...he's dead-on.

You're crying because Fox is using one example to apply it across the board.

Yet you're the same one who keeps trying to act as though ONE Congressman calling ONE action of Repubs stupid means Republicans consider themselves stupid, or as you like to use, by their own admission. 

You do exactly what Fox is doing and you do it all the time and you're too much of a bitch to own up to it.

if you dont quit fuking making sense youre going to send this retard to an early grave

[Skip8282]

if you dont quit fuking making sense youre going to send this retard to an early grave

lol...all the hate Strawman has is gonna put him in an early grave already.

[tu_holmes]

lol...all the hate Strawman has is gonna put him in an early grave already.

That won't happen... He's delusional.

[Fury]

That won't happen... He's delusional.

He and Blacken are the two stupidest people on this forum. Wouldn't surprise me if those two were one in the same.

[Straw Man]

LOL.   I can see the Confederacy of Dunces have convened on this thread?

I completely understand that you are all having the pre-destined emotional response to this story but no one has shown any proof that this guy is in violation of any rules or that he in any way represents the "new face" of food stamp fraud.  And apparently this program actually has
a very low level of fraud compared to most other programs.

Gotta love the dunces who spent time crying about a guy getting a few hundred dollars a week for food while we have contractors bilking the country for hundreds of millions or more.

[SOMEPARTS]

LOL.   I can see the Confederacy of Dunces have convened on this thread?

I completely understand that you are all having the pre-destined emotional response to this story but no one has shown any proof that this guy is in violation of any rules or that he in any way represents the "new face" of food stamp fraud.  And apparently this program actually has
a very low level of fraud compared to most other programs.

Gotta love the dunces who spent time crying about a guy getting a few hundred dollars a week for food while we have contractors bilking the country for hundreds of millions or more.

How do you come about this idea that there is "apparently" LESS fraud in this program compared to others? Less fraud because there are no rules and requirements maybe.

Get in line at a busy grocery store in a major metro area and see what you think. Last time I was behind somebody who used them at the grocery store they took the bags home in a new black Escalade. 

You know a few hundred a week multiplied by 47 million is also hundreds of millions right?

[Straw Man]

How do you come about this idea that there is "apparently" LESS fraud in this program compared to others? Less fraud because there are no rules and requirements maybe.

Get in line at a busy grocery store in a major metro area and see what you think. Last time I was behind somebody who used them at the grocery store they took the bags home in a new black Escalade. 

You know a few hundred a week multiplied by 47 million is also hundreds of millions right?

see my post on page 1

According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture's (USDA) Food and Nutrition Service, the fraud and waste rate in SNAP is roughly 1 percent, contrary to recent Fox claims that the program is rife with fraud.

this story on Faux News exists solely to elicit an emotional response from certain kinds of people and you can see that it worked perfectly from the responses on this thread

the purpose of course it to get you mad about the entire foods stamps program which you can also see on this thread

Mission Accomplished Faux News

[blacken700]

He and Blacken are the two stupidest people on this forum. Wouldn't surprise me if those two were one in the same.

berzurk fairy the 26 year old mama's boy  let's take a poll,who here is 26 and still lives with mommy besides the fairy

[SOMEPARTS]

That's my point. The oversight authority that claims less than 1% fraud is the same that hands the benefits out. I can trust what I actually see occur at least.

I don't think the response is only based on emotion. Common sense would have anyone primed for a response as this continues and increases.

The surfer dude...he doesn't have a whole family to raise apparently - so we're getting off cheap on him. He just wants to get a buzz and surf, haha.

[Straw Man]

That's my point. The oversight authority that claims less than 1% fraud is the same that hands the benefits out. I can trust what I actually see occur at least.

I don't think the response is only based on emotion. Common sense would have anyone primed for a response as this continues and increases.

The surfer dude...he doesn't have a whole family to raise apparently - so we're getting off cheap on him. He just wants to get a buzz and surf, haha.

so you're suggesting that the USDA is not reporting fraud accurately?
since you trust what you can actually see then tell us what your comprehensive review of the millions of people on the program have told you.  I'm sure you know better than to believe that one or even 100 egregious example of what may or may not be fraud is not nearly large enough to draw a conclusion

again, this type of story by Faux News is designed to elicit exactly the type of response it is getting here

[SOMEPARTS]

I would suggest they don't even look for fraud in earnest, as is inherent most large subsidy programs.

Some of us trust large federal gov't programs to be within a certain range of slop on numbers and some don't(see all recent economic gov't data).

Those of us who are old enough felt that way before Fox was around. You would generalize basic conservatism as being taught by news but it's the other way around. Liberalism is taught.

[Straw Man]

I would suggest they don't even look for fraud in earnest, as is inherent most large subsidy programs.

Some of us trust large federal gov't programs to be within a certain range of slop on numbers and some don't(see all recent economic gov't data).

Those of us who are old enough felt that way before Fox was around. You would generalize basic conservatism as being taught by news but it's the other way around. Liberalism is taught.

do you have anything to back this up other than your gut feeling

[SOMEPARTS]

Boy, you really ignored the rest of that post didn't you?

No, I didn't google an internal report to regurgitate if that is the question.

All of my interaction with gov't spending at the village, city, township, county, state and federal levels is enough I think. A county can take a 3 mile contract for blacktop and somehow the commissioner's brother ends up with a 10 million dollar contract, haha.

I don't need to reverse-engineer a choice to fit my politics as far as if it's more evil to grossly overspend on war or social programs since we are clearly doing both. I don't think anyone would argue that the gov't gets pennies on the dollar back due to inefficiency in ANY program. I'm good with that sort of generalization.

[Skip8282]

LOL.   I can see the Confederacy of Dunces have convened on this thread?

I completely understand that you are all having the pre-destined emotional response to this story but no one has shown any proof that this guy is in violation of any rules or that he in any way represents the "new face" of food stamp fraud.  And apparently this program actually has
a very low level of fraud compared to most other programs.

Gotta love the dunces who spent time crying about a guy getting a few hundred dollars a week for food while we have contractors bilking the country for hundreds of millions or more.

Oh yea dude, you're on a like a completely advanced level of logic, lol. 

You do exactly what Fox is doing and you do it all the time and you're too much of a bitch to own up to it.

-Skip, circa yesterday

[Fury]

Oh yea dude, you're on a like a completely advanced level of logic, lol. 



-Skip, circa yesterday

LOL. He's definitely operating on a different frequency. 

[tu_holmes]

LOL.   I can see the Confederacy of Dunces have convened on this thread?

I completely understand that you are all having the pre-destined emotional response to this story but no one has shown any proof that this guy is in violation of any rules or that he in any way represents the "new face" of food stamp fraud.  And apparently this program actually has
a very low level of fraud compared to most other programs.

Gotta love the dunces who spent time crying about a guy getting a few hundred dollars a week for food while we have contractors bilking the country for hundreds of millions or more.

Actually, you're reading into something that's not even there in regards to my emotion... The core is that you do the exact same thing, but pretend that when Fox does it, it's some travesty.

You're not even honest with yourself.

I'm not even talking about whether or not the fucktard is the new "face of foodstamps"... Whether he is or is not isn't really the issue.

The issue is that it's obvious fraud... Whether it's 1% or .001%... If you're going to have a million foot soldiers in the federal government spending dollars, then there should be more than a few people stopping blatant abuses.

(which isn't even the point of my statement... my statement was just that you're delusional.

That's pretty obvious.
 

[Straw Man]

Oh yea dude, you're on a like a completely advanced level of logic, lol.  



-Skip, circa yesterday

no, it's pretty basic really but apparently still beyond your grasp

btw - I've never said there is one stupid Republican and therefore they are all stupid.
I've said there are many many stupid Republicans and they have a deep bench
If you're going to apply a position to me then don't make up a lie and pretend it's my position.  
you have enough quotes that you can actually use my words

they've got a pretty deep bench so no shortage of disasters on deck for the mid-terms and Repubs can't seem to stop talking about abortion so that's going to be front and center next year as well

no doubt

you teabagger have a deep bench of morons ready to step up and fill the gap left by this idiot though granted the next person will have some big clown shoes to fill

[Straw Man]

Actually, you're reading into something that's not even there in regards to my emotion... The core is that you do the exact same thing, but pretend that when Fox does it, it's some travesty.

You're not even honest with yourself.

I'm not even talking about whether or not the fucktard is the new "face of foodstamps"... Whether he is or is not isn't really the issue.

The issue is that it's obvious fraud... Whether it's 1% or .001%... If you're going to have a million foot soldiers in the federal government spending dollars, then there should be more than a few people stopping blatant abuses.

(which isn't even the point of my statement... my statement was just that you're delusional.

That's pretty obvious.
 

great

tell us how this kid is committing OBVIOUS fraud since

avxo posted a link to the guidelines for receiving SNAP and I posted the requirement from the link so tell us exactly how this kid is committing fraud

I don't think I ever said he wasn't.   I just said it hadn't been proven but since it's obvious to you then you can clear it up for me