Why must bodybuilding meals be so plain and boring?

[dustin]

Doesn't have to be boring. It just sucks a couple of weeks or so prior to a show. It's not supposed to be fun or filling. It's a bitch. And if there are pro- bodybuilders on here reading laughing and saying "it's not that hard" you're full of shit because you carbs to stay alive because of your insulin use....there, I said it!

Pro bodybuilders never tell the truth. They upload very polar images online so it's difficult for people to know what to believe. On one end you'll see a guy with a tray of tilapia and an Instagram filter saying he spent his Friday night alone baking his meals for the week. Another one will be a half dozen pizzas and a tub of ice cream with the caption "CHEAT DAY". The truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. 

People don't have common sense. If there's a tire around your stomach you'll probably want to lean closer to eating the tilapia. But it doesn't mean that bland food needs to rule your life. Cook it properly, throw some herbs on there and drizzle a bit of olive oil on there. Instead of shitty brown rice, jazz it up a little and look at one of the trillions of rice recipes on Google. There's a few billion people on this planet that eat rice more than once a day, man. Surely you can be more creative than fucking plain brown rice. That shit smells like a vegan's armpits.

At the end of the day, the biggest mitigating factor anyway will be drugs. Drugs, drugs, drugs. You can eat like shit and look good, or you can eat clean and look good. I prefer to use a little gear and stay relatively safe and simple, but I don't compromise with the food. There's simply no point. Even 100% clean I still eat very well and very happily. I do have to tighten the diet up a little more, but you won't ever find me eating a baked or boiled chicken breast again. They're a couple of the most versatile proteins in the world, so why the fuck are we turning it into cardboard when there's no point? Pisses me off.

All these kids are flooding the gym due to all the videos on Youtube and pictures on Instagram. I hear them talking about their macronutrient breakdowns and I just want to tell them to stop worrying about that shit. Lift hard, eat decent and then throw in a can of tuna or an extra chicken breast. Boom. Done.

[Roger Bacon]

That's what I'm saying...

Get the Macros and Micros you need, the protein in Chicken is the same as the protein in McChicken. 

[OTHstrong]

They dont have to be.

Oh but they do, they really do. Get to his level of conditioning then make your claim, until then your claim is BS. 

[dustin]

Oh but they do, they really do. Get to his level of conditioning then make your claim, until then your claim is BS. 

But what we both know is that the battle to 10 percent body fat is not done through cardboard tilapia fillets and baked chicken breasts. You can diet down to that level eating McDicks 4-5 days of the week as long as you put in the work. As you get to the low digit body fat level that's when the rules change. Lay people aren't trying to get like 5% body fat like you are. They're not even trying to get to gal's level of body fat, or even my level of body fat which has gotten higher but is still impressive to 9/10 people on the street (and I feel fat and fucking ashamed lol).

This is like when classical mechanics gets into the realm of subatomics and a scale where everything changes. You have quantum physics and just mere theories. We can't even decide amongst ourselves which theory explains which phenomena without getting into a scuffle. This is like all of us guys when the circle jerk breaks and we start arguing over getting fucking peeeeeeeeeeeled and diced to the bone. Our audience is limited. You don't teach quantum physics and mechanics to grade school children that don't understand why a sphere will roll down a decline plane because of forces and physics, etc.

So when Mr. Olympia Phil Health posts pictures of what was once food but is now something he's converted into cardboard, I hope that the masses take away that only Mr. Olympia needs to do this. And he does this in tandem with a drug regimen that would kill a man off the streets.

[Roger Bacon]

But what we both know is that the battle to 10 percent body fat is not done through cardboard tilapia fillets and baked chicken breasts. You can diet down to that level eating McDicks 4-5 days of the week as long as you put in the work. As you get to the low digit body fat level that's when the rules change. Lay people aren't trying to get like 5% body fat like you are. They're not even trying to get to gal's level of body fat, or even my level of body fat which has gotten higher but is still impressive to 9/10 people on the street (and I feel fat and fucking ashamed lol).

This is like when classical mechanics gets into the realm of subatomics and a scale where everything changes. You have quantum physics and just mere theories. We can't even decide amongst ourselves which theory explains which phenomena without getting into a scuffle. This is like all of us guys when the circle jerk breaks and we start arguing over getting fucking peeeeeeeeeeeled and diced to the bone. Our audience is limited. You don't teach quantum physics and mechanics to grade school children that don't understand why a sphere will roll down a decline plane because of forces and physics, etc.

So when Mr. Olympia Phil Health posts pictures of what was once food but is now something he's converted into cardboard, I hope that the masses take away that only Mr. Olympia needs to do this. And he does this in tandem with a drug regimen that would kill a man off the streets.

[OTHstrong]

But what we both know is that the battle to 10 percent body fat is not done through cardboard tilapia fillets and baked chicken breasts. You can diet down to that level eating McDicks 4-5 days of the week as long as you put in the work. As you get to the low digit body fat level that's when the rules change. Lay people aren't trying to get like 5% body fat like you are. They're not even trying to get to gal's level of body fat, or even my level of body fat which has gotten higher but is still impressive to 9/10 people on the street (and I feel fat and fucking ashamed lol).

This is like when classical mechanics gets into the realm of subatomics and a scale where everything changes. You have quantum physics and just mere theories. We can't even decide amongst ourselves which theory explains which phenomena without getting into a scuffle. This is like all of us guys when the circle jerk breaks and we start arguing over getting fucking peeeeeeeeeeeled and diced to the bone. Our audience is limited. You don't teach quantum physics and mechanics to grade school children that don't understand why a sphere will roll down a decline plane because of forces and physics, etc.

So when Mr. Olympia Phil Health posts pictures of what was once food but is now something he's converted into cardboard, I hope that the masses take away that only Mr. Olympia needs to do this. And he does this in tandem with a drug regimen that would kill a man off the streets.

You are missing the point, the point is that 4lb of chicken breast has the same amount of calories as one lb of french fries, so you can be one of those who say a calorie is a calorie, but I will stick to my 4 lb of chicken thank you very much.

 or how about 6 cups of veggies versus one cup of rice.

I will stick to the veggies, 6 cups of veggies and 4lb of chicken breast = 2000 calories or one super size double big mac meal with a chocolet sundae that also has 2000 calories.

[dustin]

You are missing the point, the point is that 4lb of chicken breast has the same amount of calories as one lb of french fries, so you can be one of those who say a calorie is a calorie, but I will stick to my 4 lb of chicken thank you very much.

 or how about 6 cups of veggies versus one cup of rice.

I will stick to the veggies, 6 cups of veggies and 4lb of chicken breast = 2000 calories or one super size double big mac meal with a chocolet sundae that also has 2000 calories.

We're both sort of right if you think about it. You're right, a calorie is not just a calorie. However, the importance that people place on this is incredibly out of alignment and is very subjective as well. For a fat ass who's 20% body fat, those calories don't really matter all too much as long as they've brought down in a large abundance. They could probably eat a diet loaded with fries but as long as the total calories are low their composition will probably change tremendously. If they're fat, everything's just going to blend in and you can't tell what they've eaten because they're just a huge mess.

For guys like us, sometimes at a super low body fat when the fat cells are small and rigid you can eat a cheat meal, balloon up for the evening and wake up peeled and the next morning. Our bodies are more resilient because of our hormones, our genetics, the way everything is tuned so finely, our bodies are better with glucose management and the fat cells are retarded and don't store free fatty acids in them and puff up like they used to. So while we have this luxury on one hand, if we want to take it to the next level and get more conditioned it unfortunately becomes exponentially more difficult. And that's when you DO ironically have to watch what you eat if you want some striated butt cheeks and feathered muscles that have striations flaring down them.

When I see a fatty confused about putting salad dressing on their shit, I just tell them to look at the dressing. If it's full of sugar, they probably should go with something like a vinaigrette. But if they're going to get fries instead of that salad, then I'd say "no man, have all the dressing you want". It's all subjective and you need to look at the context. That's why I don't like giving people too rigid of a set of rules. I like to mentor them instead to get them more into the mindset, not just reading a check list. They have to live it and adapt it to their life style. And worrying about calories is not a good way to do this. Instead, load them with an armload of good recipes and ideas for how to eat good but also get to their goals. Unless you want your ass cheeks to be feathered and ripple in the mirror, you don't need to be eating cardboard tilapia fillets or dried out steaks.

[ukjeff]

Dustin schooling the forum, listen up guys this is the most sense anyone has spoken on here about diet in a long time.

[ukjeff]

That's why I don't like giving people too rigid of a set of rules.

If some overweight person asks me for advice about losing weight I just tell them to carry on eating what they are eating but just cut their portions by a 1/4 or maybe a third.
If I told them to start eating chicken and veg/rice its never going to happen.

Its easier to just restrict their normal food intake , if they do, they will lose weight, if they dont they didnt do what they were told, if thats the case then fuck em.

[ukjeff]

You are missing the point, the point is that 4lb of chicken breast has the same amount of calories as one lb of french fries, so you can be one of those who say a calorie is a calorie, but I will stick to my 4 lb of chicken thank you very much. or how about 6 cups of veggies versus one cup of rice.

I will stick to the veggies, 6 cups of veggies and 4lb of chicken breast = 2000 calories or one super size double big mac meal with a chocolet sundae that also has 2000 calories.

So are you saying that if you reduce your fat levels you can actually eat more food?

[FitnessFrenzy]

this looks fantastic.

no reason why you cant put some chili and dressing on that.

this, for me, when im strict,is already a cheat meal.

sounds pretty rad.. so what do you eat when you eat strict? I mean I can't see why lean meat and rice would be considered a cheat meal.

[Cleanest Natural]

You guys are forgetting a few things. For example, when you wanna go zero carbs you cannot add "anything". It has to be zero carbs. If you grill meat in a "little" olive oil, sure it tastes better. But it also adds unanted grams of fat. Dressing? more carbs etc

The problem is that most people will chase the taste. When you drop the calories and the carbs they will do anything to get calories. You tell them a teaspoon of organic peanut butter and they will load that spoon with 30g of pb and 300 calories. Then ANOTHER teaspoon for an extra 300. The little omega 3 fats snack becomes a 600 calorie messing up of a diet. I have done it and many people I help do it too. So it becomes a nightmare. To make sure they don't go overboard, it becomes a necessity to give them bland food. No peanut butter, no worries haha.

[ukjeff]

You guys are forgetting a few things. For example, when you wanna go zero carbs you cannot add "anything". It has to be zero carbs. If you grill meat in a "little" olive oil, sure it tastes better. But it also adds unanted grams of fat. Dressing? more carbs etc

The problem is that most people will chase the taste. When you drop the calories and the carbs they will do anything to get calories. You tell them a teaspoon of organic peanut butter and they will load that spoon with 30g of pb and 300 calories. Then ANOTHER teaspoon for an extra 300. The little omega 3 fats snack becomes a 600 calorie messing up of a diet. I have done it and many people I help do it too. So it becomes a nightmare. To make sure they don't go overboard, it becomes a necessity to give them bland food. No peanut butter, no worries haha.

Good post, so what you are saying is that if you reduce fats in the diet it allows you to eat additional food in the form of protien and carbs because gram for gram fat is more than double the calories per gram that protien or carbs?

[Cleanest Natural]

Good post, so what you are saying is that if you reduce fats in the diet it allows you to eat additional food in the form of protien and carbs because gram for gram fat is more than double the calories per gram that protien or carbs?

I never reduce fats. My point was that people always eat more than they should. They are like little kids who cannot control themselves.

Reducing and manipulating carbs is the key. Fats are necessary. When animal fats are reduced, I up the omega 3 ones and viceversa. Overall calories still count. If you wanna go under 7%, then you really have to be strict.

[ukjeff]

I never reduce fats. My point was that people always eat more than they should. They are like little kids who cannot control themselves.

Reducing and manipulating carbs is the key. Fats are necessary. When animal fats are reduced, I up the omega 3 ones and viceversa. Overall calories still count. If you wanna go under 7%, then you really have to be strict.

Ha..I see so its just a carb reduction for you, no worries.
However the question still remains, if fats are high in the diet then if you halved the fat then you could still add in foods from protein and carb sources which would enable the individual to eat more food than they were when they had all the fats in there due to the high calorific value of the fat gram wise.

[Cleanest Natural]

Ha..I see so its just a carb reduction for you, no worries.
However the question still remains, if fats are high in the diet then if you halved the fat then you could still add in foods from protein and carb sources which would enable the individual to eat more food than they were when they had all the fats in there due to the high calorific value of the fat gram wise.

fat is not high. But it's there. Lean meats and bitter green leafy veggies. Plus a little organic omega 3 fats. That's the diet.

[ukjeff]

fat is not high. But it's there. Lean meats and bitter green leafy veggies. Plus a little organic omega 3 fats. That's the diet.

Let me ask it another way, we seem to be at cross purposes.
If someone came to you with a diet that contained 70% fat could you work him out a diet that would allow him to eat more food than he was currently by reducing the amount of fat he was eating?

[Cleanest Natural]

Let me ask it another way, we seem to be at cross purposes.
If someone came to you with a diet that contained 70% fat could you work him out a diet that would allow him to eat more food than he was currently by reducing the amount of fat he was eating?

Dieting is losing fat and calorie reduction .. eat what is necessary and thats it. People who "wanna eat more" will never succeed at this task.

I would consider fat to be what is naturally in the lean meats and a little extra almonds, avocado and organic peanut butter. This is how I do it. I never care for what they did before .. I just put them on my plan and work from there.

[irishdave]

no chili, no dressing, no salad... this is from Phil Heath's Facebook:

I'm more interested in your profile pic. Vince is so ugly and delusional he should be put down. It's not like anybody will miss that POS

[ukjeff]

Dieting is losing fat and calorie reduction .. eat what is necessary and thats it. People who "wanna eat more" will never succeed at this task.

I would consider fat to be what is naturally in the lean meats and a little extra almonds, avocado and organic peanut butter. This is how I do it. I never care for what they did before .. I just put them on my plan and work from there.

Why do you keep dodging the question?
If someone came to you with 75% of their calories in the form of fats, could you work out a diet plan which would allow them to eat more food overall and still stay in a calorific deficit?

It's not a hard question to answer is it?
If it is then you really shouldnt be dispensing advice.

PS heres a clue from earlier in the thread
OTH wrote

You are missing the point, the point is that 4lb of chicken breast has the same amount of calories as one lb of french fries, so you can be one of those who say a calorie is a calorie, but I will stick to my 4 lb of chicken thank you very much

PPS, I do know the real reason you wont answer it.   

[OTHstrong]

Dieting is losing fat and calorie reduction .. eat what is necessary and thats it. People who "wanna eat more" will never succeed at this task.

I would consider fat to be what is naturally in the lean meats and a little extra almonds, avocado and organic peanut butter. This is how I do it. I never care for what they did before .. I just put them on my plan and work from there.

booooooooooooooooooooooooooom

END OF THREAD,

STOP BEING A BUNCH OF FUCKEN PUSSIES AROUND HERE, FUCK, YOU NEED YOUR CONDIMENTS, OH BOO FUCKEN HOO, YOU GUYS NEED TO HAVE SOME TASTE.

GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE. 

[240_Iz_Nutz]

Imagine if you could build quality-muscle with just fat and sugar.
Then the meals would look different.

I'd be eating Pizza with extra cheese, Kebab, Kibbutz, Kolchos, Sovchos, Ahlgrens Bilar, Rock Candy, Chips and CHeese Doodles, Burger King and McDonalds, topping it off with Soft Drinks each and every day.

Black Bean Burritos
Kale Greens
Sea salt

Never mind that you are getting a bunch of protein in there.

[ukjeff]

booooooooooooooooooooooooooom

END OF THREAD,

STOP BEING A BUNCH OF FUCKEN PUSSIES AROUND HERE, FUCK, YOU NEED YOUR CONDIMENTS, OH BOO FUCKEN HOO, YOU GUYS NEED TO HAVE SOME TASTE.

GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE.  

thats all well and good for competitive bodybuilders, but what about your average housewife who just wants to shed a few pounds?

Jeez she would run a mile if she experienced that response of yours  

Also in response to your comment here

You are missing the point, the point is that 4lb of chicken breast has the same amount of calories as one lb of french fries, so you can be one of those who say a calorie is a calorie, but I will stick to my 4 lb of chicken thank you very much

Are you saying that by dropping the fat in the pound of fries it allows you to eat extra food in the form of additional protein and still lose the weight?

[OTHstrong]

thats all well and good for competitive bodybuilders, but what about your average housewife who just wants to shed a few pounds?

Jeez she would run a mile if she experienced that response of yours  

HMMMMM

Correct me if I am wrong but was the title of the thread about bodybuilders or was it about your average house wife,   

[ukjeff]

HMMMMM

Correct me if I am wrong but was the title of the thread about bodybuilders or was it about your average house wife,   

Yes it was I will give you that but it has drifted a touch from the original topic.