Never had any issues shooting winny with pain etc. Just didn't care for the joint issues/pain after using it for a while, or dosing to high. TNE in oil, never had an issue there either nice strength and size gains. Like WW mentioned, taking it prior to working out gave me nice boosts in strength.
I haven't taken pharma in a long time, I've found that you can get just as good results from very well respected UGLs. Know and trust your source...