UPS drops 15,000 spouses from healthcare due to ObamaCare

[Soul Crusher]

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/morning_call/2013/08/ups-to-drop-15000-spouses-from.html?ana=RSS&s=article_search&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+bizj_atlanta+%28Atlanta+Business+Chronicle%29


 

[polychronopolous]

Wonder if big time Mr. Blue Collar Liberal Union Guy Ed Schultz will be raising hell over this?

[dario73]

Wonder if big time Mr. Blue Collar Liberal Union Guy Ed Schultz will be raising hell over this?

Only non-union U.S. workers were affected. But, the fact that these spouses were dropped clearly shows Obama is a liar because he stated that coverage would remain the same ("if you like your coverage, you can keep that coverage").

[polychronopolous]

Only non-union U.S. workers were affected. But, the fact that these spouses were dropped clearly shows Obama is a liar because he stated that coverage would remain the same ("if you like your coverage, you can keep that coverage").

If Barack Obama opens his mouth he's lying.

[dario73]

Obamacare is much better than the status quo. So says all the libtards on this board.

[Necrosis]

Obamacare is much better than the status quo. So says all the libtards on this board.

I am not sure how much longer you could let the country slide. I mean you guys rank shit for life expectancy, disease of excess which is world leading and the highest infant mortality rate in the western world. Forget the money aspect for insurance etc, it needs a major overhaul for ordinary folks and is heading for disaster.

[Roger Bacon]

I am not sure how much longer you could let the country slide. I mean you guys rank shit for life expectancy, disease of excess which is world leading and the highest infant mortality rate in the western world. Forget the money aspect for insurance etc, it needs a major overhaul for ordinary folks and is heading for disaster.

The United States ranks third on the Human Development Index behind Norway and Australia.  We have the same life expectancy as Denmark, we're only four years behind the leader, Japan.  We're inline with countries like Canada on Infant Mortality.

You're an idiot

[Necrosis]

The United States ranks third on the Human Development Index behind Norway and Australia.  We have the same life expectancy as Denmark, we're only four years behind the leader, Japan.  We're inline with countries like Canada on Infant Mortality.

You're an idiot

Oh Really? What is your source that contradicts every known world health data base.

[Necrosis]

The United States ranks third on the Human Development Index behind Norway and Australia.  We have the same life expectancy as Denmark, we're only four years behind the leader, Japan.  We're inline with countries like Canada on Infant Mortality.

You're an idiot

On second thought, I don't usually do this anymore but this guy is a moron.
First notice he posts the HDI rankings, I did not mention them, but instead I said life expectancy. This is a diversionary tactic, this guy is stupid and has changed the argument.

"In the 2010 Human Development Report a further Inequality-adjusted Human Development Index (IHDI) was introduced. While the simple HDI remains useful, it stated that "the IHDI is the actual level of human development (accounting for inequality)" and the "the HDI can be viewed as an index of “potential” human development (or the maximum IHDI that could be achieved if there were no inequality)".

So why the fuck he posted that I  do not know. He is a moron, you see the HDI takes into account things unrelated to health, namely two things, education and income. Of course this confuses the picture by including income (unrelated to actual healthcare, but increases odds of receiving care) and education, again why even post this. The answer folks is this guy is a moron, he googled life expectancy found the wiki page for Human development index and then proceeded to copy said wiki screenshot to show the world he is a moron. There is no arguing his way out of this, he posted the HDI ranks and then called me an idiot.



Now on to the facts to rebut your dumb anus.

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/life-expectancy-north-america

Ranks the US 37 in the world in LE, again for the amount you pay that's incredibly poor. The WHO has similar stats, ranking you 33 I believe but there are a lot of ties, which is teased apart could put you at 50 or worst in the worst case scenario.

Roger Bacon doesn't even understand we are talking about healthcare nor did he read what I wrote, which was

"I am not sure how much longer you could let the country slide. I mean you guys rank shit for life expectancy, disease of excess which is world leading and the highest infant mortality rate in the western world. Forget the money aspect for insurance etc, it needs a major overhaul for ordinary folks and is heading for disaster."

Where is HDI mentioned? where is education mentioned? where is income mentioned?

Who is this idiot Roger Bacon, anyone?

[Roger Bacon]

You are  

The United States is in the top 16 percent of countries in the world.  Not only that, but the United States has an extremely huge diverse population.  Our statistics are completely skewed by that fact, yet we still manage to rank right behind European countries with socialized medicine.  


Our high cost of healthcare is caused by government intervention, the solution won't come from increasing government intervention 10 fold.

[headhuntersix]

UPS has a massive hub in Lousiville and with the McConnell race heating up....Obama is doing no favors for dem control in the senate.

[bears]

You are  

The United States is in the top 16 percent of countries in the world.  Not only that, but the United States has an extremely huge diverse population.  Our statistics are completely skewed by that fact, yet we still manage to rank right behind European countries with socialized medicine.  


Our high cost of healthcare is caused by government intervention, the solution won't come from increasing government intervention 10 fold.

thats a very big picture, rational, common sense statement.  you are not welcome here.  someone please post some statistics.

[Necrosis]

thats a very big picture, rational, common sense statement.  you are not welcome here.  someone please post some statistics.

what's rational about it?

US pays the most for healthcare by a fuckton and is average to below average at best.

Blaming the cost of healthcare on the government is like a fat person blaming diabetes on their teeth.

what points has he made that make any fucking sense with the underpinning of average to below average life expectancy and disease rates in the face of massive spending. You spend twice as much per person for average outcomes at best, ya fucking great system.

So let's see, again spends the most twice over and isn't in the top ten in multiple categories, not even that, sometimes not in the top 25, cause for celebration indeed.

[Roger Bacon]

Contributing factor:

The high level of per capita income in the U.S. is a major factor driving U.S. health care spending. The U.S. has higher per capita income than any other large country, and higher income is closely associated with higher health care spending. Analysis done by Princeton professor Uwe Reinhardt suggests that about $1,200 per capital (in 2008 dollars) of the difference between the U.S. and peer countries (34% of the gap) is due to high levels of income in the U.S. (source). This is an explanation, but not a good justification, because, as the Meeker analysis (and other analyses) show, the U.S. appears not to receive value for the higher spending, as measured by medical outcomes.

[tonymctones]

The WHO has similar stats, ranking you 33 I believe but there are a lot of ties, which is teased apart could put you at 50 or worst in the worst case scenario.

Roger Bacon doesn't even understand we are talking about healthcare nor did he read what I wrote, which was

"I am not sure how much longer you could let the country slide. I mean you guys rank shit for life expectancy, disease of excess which is world leading and the highest infant mortality rate in the western world. Forget the money aspect for insurance etc, it needs a major overhaul for ordinary folks and is heading for disaster."

Goodness fucking gracious

http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/a/SB10001424052748704130904574644230678102274?mg=reno64-wsj

"The Overall Performance Index, however, is adjusted to reflect how well WHO officials believe that a country could have done in relation to its resources."

"The WHO does rank the U.S. No. 1 of 191 countries for "responsiveness to the needs and choices of the individual patient." Isn't responsiveness what health care is all about?"

"We have the shortest waiting time for nonemergency surgery in the world; England has one of the longest. In Canada, a country of 35 million citizens, 1 million patients now wait for surgery and another million wait to see specialists"

sorry to burst your bubble candian but the healthcare in the US isnt what it is represented to libtard morons

[OzmO]

15,000 people dropped from coverage and ups blames obama care.

How is this even defendable?

[Soul Crusher]

15,000 people dropped from coverage and ups blames obama care.

How is this even defendable?

Existing policies are going to cost a lot more money due to obamacare and long term UPS probably realizes that it cant afford it. 

[Necrosis]

sorry to burst your bubble candian but the healthcare in the US isnt what it is represented to libtard morons

ugh 37 in life expectancy, you are best at nothing it appears yet spend by far the most, twice as much % GDP as the next nation. You multiple variable index nor HDI accounts for this.

It's not bad, I mean you guys have the best equipment save a few nations and the system attracts the best minds. I am saying it's sliding, you are below average in many areas. Immediately to discredit the lunatic left (Me apparently) you rebut an argument never presented.

What I wrote is true, healthcare needs serious reform. First spending per person needs to drop, ie preventative medicine, the crux of that issue is that this takes away from revenue.

The efficiency is the other issue. With an aging population and economy the way it is, I would be worried.

[Roger Bacon]

I would be worried.

Everything was going perfectly fine for the vast majority of us.  Most of us have access to the best healthcare in the world.  Only 15% of Americans are uninsured, and almost all of them get medicare/medicaid.

The only thing we have to worry about is losing our insurance or not being able to afford it anymore because of Obamacare.  

If politicians sincerely wanted to help, they would attack the real problem.  Healthcare should be treated like any other business. 

[Roger Bacon]

The hilarious part of Obamacare is that some people actually believe it's an attempt to help people.  They can't see that it's just another gigantic power grab by the Federal Government.  

[dario73]

15,000 people dropped from coverage and ups blames obama care.

How is this even defendable?

How can anyone defend obamacare? Obama care allows this to happen by allowing spouses to not be covered and by fostering the expectation that premiums will be higher.

Are we now going to tell businesses that they have to cover for health care no matter what the cost? If this is the case, businesses will go bankrupt or they will send jobs overseas.

Everyone looks to save money. I don't want to pay more for my health insurance. Why would I expect businesses to be any different?

[hrspwr1]

fukn obama care.

 the healthcare system in the US is a disaster due to the lawyers and insurance companies.

 If you need 10 stitches anywhere else on the planet it would cost $50, here it runs $2500.

 obamacare is a shitty attempt to please voters without actually fixing the biggest problem with the system.

[whork]

fukn obama care.

 the healthcare system in the US is a disaster due to the lawyers and insurance companies.

 If you need 10 stitches anywhere else on the planet it would cost $50, here it runs $2500.

 obamacare is a shitty attempt to please voters without actually fixing the biggest problem with the system.

Great post.

[Necrosis]

Everything was going perfectly fine for the vast majority of us.  Most of us have access to the best healthcare in the world.  Only 15% of Americans are uninsured, and almost all of them get medicare/medicaid.

The only thing we have to worry about is losing our insurance or not being able to afford it anymore because of Obamacare.  

If politicians sincerely wanted to help, they would attack the real problem.  Healthcare should be treated like any other business. 

No that's not what you have to worry about. What is happening is the US is paying twice as much for healthcare and it is heading towards failure. It won't work the way it's set up. Preventative medicine has to be championed.

[tonymctones]

ugh 37 in life expectancy, you are best at nothing it appears yet spend by far the most, twice as much % GDP as the next nation. You multiple variable index nor HDI accounts for this.

It's not bad, I mean you guys have the best equipment save a few nations and the system attracts the best minds. I am saying it's sliding, you are below average in many areas. Immediately to discredit the lunatic left (Me apparently) you rebut an argument never presented.

What I wrote is true, healthcare needs serious reform. First spending per person needs to drop, ie preventative medicine, the crux of that issue is that this takes away from revenue.

The efficiency is the other issue. With an aging population and economy the way it is, I would be worried.

Oh I whole heatedly agree the healthcare system needs to be addressed however universal healthcare or Obamacare are not the way to help the problems