Breaking Bad - Season 5 Episode 11

[Raymondo]

TBH when I saw Jesse light up in Saul's office, I thought he had decided to commit suicide by smoking a (the) ricin cigarette. Very intense moment.

After the desert scene where Jesse clearly lets Walt know what a lying fucking manipulator he thinks he is, I think he would have no reason to trust Walt and Saul when they told him "a guy" would set him up with a new life. For all Jesse knew the guy could have been a hitman.

[Raymondo]

http://breakingbad.wikia.com/wiki/Ricin

The first time Walt created ricin it was intended to kill Tuco Salamanca. Walt carried a packet of meth mixed with the poison hoping that Tuco would snort it. The ricin made the meth stink like head cheese, which raised Tuco's suspicion about its quality. Jesse Pinkman said it was a new recipe with his old secret ingredient: chili powder. Unfortunately they learned that Tuco hated chili powder and tossed the packet aside.
Next they tried to get him to eat it. Walt sprinkled the packet into Tuco's food, however Hector "Tio" Salamanca saw what he did and rang his bell to prevent Tuco from eating. Misinterpreting Hector's warning, Tuco simply traded plates with him. Hector knocked the plate onto the floor instead of eating the poisoned food, thus dispensing with the ricin.

For Gus
Season 4

Ricin hidden in the cigarette that's turned around
The second time Walt created ricin it was intended to kill Gustavo Fring. He created a small vial of it in Gus's own superlab, supposedly out of sight, and secretly passed it to Jesse, who concealed it in one of his cigarettes. At the time, however, Jesse was distancing himself from Walt and growing closer to Gus, and thus he never administered it even when he had the opportunity.
Later, Andrea Cantillo's son Brock Cantillo fell severely ill from some unknown cause and Jesse found that his ricin-vial cigarette was missing. He told Andrea to warn Brock's doctors about the possible poisoning. Because only he and Walt knew about the ricin, Jesse suspected that Walt poisoned Brock; however, Walt convinces him that it was Gus who poisoned Brock. ("End Times") Although initially in danger of dying, doctors say that he would survive, and tests showed that it was not ricin; instead, he ingested the berries of a local poisonous plant called the "Lily of the Valley". At the very end of the episode, the camera zooms in on a Lily of the Valley in Walt's back yard, beside his pool. ("Face Off")

Season 5
Saul Goodman returned the ricin cigarette to Walt, stating his wonder that Huell didn't break it when he lifted it from Jesse. ("Live Free or Die") Walt hid the ricin capsule behind an electrical outlet in his bedroom and made a false capsule with salt. He hid the fake capsule in a cigarette and planted it in Jesse's Roomba to put Jesse's mind at ease. ("Madrigal") Walt later took the ricin to a meeting with Lydia Rodarte-Quayle with intentions to kill her, though didn't because she proved to be useful, by offering expansion of Walt's empire into the Czech Republic. ("Gliding Over All")
In 2010, Walt heads back to his house, now abandoned, and retreives the ricin from behind the electrical outlet. ("Blood Money") While Jesse was waiting to start a new life in Alaska he put the pieces together that Walt had Saul have Huell lift the ricin cigarette. Jesse confronted Saul, took his gun and Saul confessed. Jesse then stole Saul's car to go after Walt. ("Confessions")

What I don't understand is, what is this fixation Jesse has on the ricin? Since doctors told him that Brock's poisoning was due to Lilly of the Valley?

Why does he assume that Walt had Brock poisoned if ricin had nothing to do with it and Jesse never saw the plant in Walt's back yard?

I think I must have missed the scene where Jesse started believing that ricin caused the poisoning.

[crownshep]

TBH when I saw Jesse light up in Saul's office, I thought he had decided to commit suicide by smoking a (the) ricin cigarette. Very intense moment.

After the desert scene where Jesse clearly lets Walt know what a lying fucking manipulator he thinks he is, I think he would have no reason to trust Walt and Saul when they told him "a guy" would set him up with a new life. For all Jesse knew the guy could have been a hitman.

Jesse doesn`t have the ricin cigarette,Walt has it taped in the wall socket,walt had a "fake" cigarette with salt in it that Jesses hoover picked up.If you remember in series 4 Walt tricked Jesse into thinking Gus poisined the kid,then Jesse was told by the doctors it was a plant called lily of the valley.He now realizes Walt was the one who poisoned the kid,and Saul admitted it.

[Raymondo]

Jesse doesn`t have the ricin cigarette,Walt has it taped in the wall socket,walt had a "fake" cigarette with salt in it that Jesses hoover picked up.If you remember in series 4 Walt tricked Jesse into thinking Gus poisined the kid,then Jesse was told by the doctors it was a plant called lily of the valley.He now realizes Walt was the one who poisoned the kid,and Saul admitted it.

Yes I get that, but why does Jesse say to Saul that Walt used ricin to poison Brock when the doctors said that the poison was not ricin but Lily of the Valley?

[crownshep]

Jesse assumes it was ricin,he doesn`t know Walt has a lily of the valley plant.In fact,i think you might have just hit on something for the next episode.Think about it,we saw Jesse getting ready to torch Walts house,but in the flash forward in episode 9 (first one of this series) the house is in tact,just empty,so i`m wondering if Jesse doesn`t torch the place.Maybe he goes outside and see`s the lilly of the valley plant and then ..................well,who knows.

[MisterMagoo]

Yes I get that, but why does Jesse say to Saul that Walt used ricin to poison Brock when the doctors said that the poison was not ricin but Lily of the Valley?

i don't think he said, exactly, that the ricin was used to poison brock, but rather that walt had him steal the ricin cigarette AND walt poisoned brock.

remember the timeline. brock gets poisoned, jesse realizes the ricin is missing, walt convinces jesse that gus stole the ricin to poison brock (which got jesse on board to kill gus), then it turned out it was lily of the valley. fast forward and jesse realizes that huell was able to lift the dope out of his pocket, which meant huell was the one who stole the ricin cigarette from him during the pat-down before, meaning walt had him do it, so walt poisoned brock then had the ricin stolen from jesse to trick him into blaming it all on gus.

when he reached into his pocket and pulled out the cig box (same brand as the ricin one), realizing his dope was missing, he put it all together and had his freakout.

[MisterMagoo]

Jesse assumes it was ricin,he doesn`t know Walt has a lily of the valley plant.In fact,i think you might have just hit on something for the next episode.Think about it,we saw Jesse getting ready to torch Walts house,but in the flash forward in episode 9 (first one of this series) the house is in tact,just empty,so i`m wondering if Jesse doesn`t torch the place.Maybe he goes outside and see`s the lilly of the valley plant and then ..................well,who knows.

jesse wouldn't recognize lily in the valley on sight, and it really doesn't even matter at this point. he knows walt poisoned brock, whether it was by ricin or lily is irrelevant. my guess is skyler or walt jr will show up.

[Raymondo]

Jesse assumes it was ricin,he doesn`t know Walt has a lily of the valley plant.In fact,i think you might have just hit on something for the next episode.Think about it,we saw Jesse getting ready to torch Walts house,but in the flash forward in episode 9 (first one of this series) the house is in tact,just empty,so i`m wondering if Jesse doesn`t torch the place.Maybe he goes outside and see`s the lilly of the valley plant and then ..................well,who knows.

As I remember Walt destroyed the plant in the beginning of season 5?

[Raymondo]

i don't think he said, exactly, that the ricin was used to poison brock, but rather that walt had him steal the ricin cigarette AND walt poisoned brock.

remember the timeline. brock gets poisoned, jesse realizes the ricin is missing, walt convinces jesse that gus stole the ricin to poison brock (which got jesse on board to kill gus), then it turned out it was lily of the valley. fast forward and jesse realizes that huell was able to lift the dope out of his pocket, which meant huell was the one who stole the ricin cigarette from him during the pat-down before, meaning walt had him do it, so walt poisoned brock then had the ricin stolen from jesse to trick him into blaming it all on gus.

when he reached into his pocket and pulled out the cig box (same brand as the ricin one), realizing his dope was missing, he put it all together and had his freakout.

The leap between "Walt had him do it" to "so Walt poisoned brock" is irrational because Jesse knows that ricin was not used to poison Brock.

It turns out he is correct, but he couldn't have known it with the information he had.

Also Saul did not confess that he knows Walt poisoned Brock (which he does). He confessed to having had Huell lift he cigarette.

[WalterWhite]

i don't think he said, exactly, that the ricin was used to poison brock, but rather that walt had him steal the ricin cigarette AND walt poisoned brock.

remember the timeline. brock gets poisoned, jesse realizes the ricin is missing, walt convinces jesse that gus stole the ricin to poison brock (which got jesse on board to kill gus), then it turned out it was lily of the valley. fast forward and jesse realizes that huell was able to lift the dope out of his pocket, which meant huell was the one who stole the ricin cigarette from him during the pat-down before, meaning walt had him do it, so walt poisoned brock then had the ricin stolen from jesse to trick him into blaming it all on gus.

when he reached into his pocket and pulled out the cig box (same brand as the ricin one), realizing his dope was missing, he put it all together and had his freakout.

And keep in mind that Jesse is not all there to begin with.  He was recklessly throwing piles of money into yards and thats what got him caught.  Now he feels totally betrayed on top of his own angst.

[MisterMagoo]

The leap between "Walt had him do it" to "so Walt poisoned brock" is irrational because Jesse knows that ricin was not used to poison Brock.

It turns out he is correct, but he couldn't have known it with the information he had.

Also Saul did not confess that he knows Walt poisoned Brock (which he does). He confessed to having had Huell lift he cigarette.

that's not really a leap at all. he knows that walt a) told him that gus used the ricin cigarette to poison brock, and b) was the one who actually took it. it doesn't matter that the ricin wasn't actually used because it's INCREDIBLY obvious that if walt stole it and them blamed it on gus that walt was the one who poisoned brock in the first place. if gus had actually poisoned brock, why would walt have stolen the ricin? just to make jesse think he did it differently? it's a perfectly reasonable conclusion to draw at that moment.

[MisterMagoo]

And keep in mind that Jesse is not all there to begin with.  He was recklessly throwing piles of money into yards and thats what got him caught.  Now he feels totally betrayed on top of his own angst.

yeah. the exact specifications of how brock was poisoned are irrelevant right now. he just knows that walt did it. the "how" and "when" don't factor in.

[crownshep]

As I remember Walt destroyed the plant in the beginning of season 5?

Just re-watched episode 9 for the first few minutes and thats not a house thats been torched.I know its a flash forward and it could have been repaired after getting torched but i doubt it.
Now you`ve made me have to watch series 5 from the start again to find out if he destroys the plant.Damn you.

[Raymondo]

that's not really a leap at all. he knows that walt a) told him that gus used the ricin cigarette to poison brock, and b) was the one who actually took it. it doesn't matter that the ricin wasn't actually used because it's INCREDIBLY obvious that if walt stole it and them blamed it on gus that walt was the one who poisoned brock in the first place. if gus had actually poisoned brock, why would walt have stolen the ricin? just to make jesse think he did it differently? it's a perfectly reasonable conclusion to draw at that moment.

So Jesse saw through Walt's lies and assumed he was the one who poisoned Brock because he had the ricin cigarette stolen in order to blame the poisoning on Gus?

I think I see the point now, still a bit of a leap.

[Raymondo]

Just re-watched episode 9 for the first few minutes and thats not a house thats been torched.I know its a flash forward and it could have been repaired after getting torched but i doubt it.
Now you`ve made me have to watch series 5 from the start again to find out if he destroys the plant.Damn you.

It's near the seventh minute in the first episode of season five. He puts the plant in the boot of his car.

[crownshep]

It's near the seventh minute in the first episode of season five. He puts the plant in the boot of his car.

Wow,thanks for that,just watched the start again,i must have watched every episode 5-6 times and never noticed it,every time i re-watch one i see something i missed the first time.

[MisterMagoo]

So Jesse saw through Walt's lies and assumed he was the one who poisoned Brock because he had the ricin cigarette stolen in order to blame the poisoning on Gus?

I think I see the point now, still a bit of a leap.

why else would walt have stolen it? if walt hadn't been behind the poisoning there would have been no reason for him to do that. it makes sense. sure there's a little hop to it, but nothing too outrageous.

[BIG ACH]

Jessie is fixated on the ricin cigarette because Walt used it to manipulate him into coming over and thinking he stole it from him, so he can get him on his side against gus.


Jessie knows that Brock was poisoned using the flower, but now he knows he was also played by Walt since he stole the ricin cigarette from him and later planted it back in his house. 

So Jessie now knows that Walt manipulated him and (I assume) he also knows that walt was the one who poisoned Brock with the flower.

[Raymondo]

why else would walt have stolen it? if walt hadn't been behind the poisoning there would have been no reason for him to do that. it makes sense. sure there's a little hop to it, but nothing too outrageous.

I think it's easier to make sense if one accepts that Jesse doesn't trust a word that comes out of Walt's mouth. If he realises Walt poisoned Brock then he must have made up his mind that Walt was manipulating him when they found the "ricin" cigarette in Jesse's house.

At no point is the audience given such a hint, though.

[El Diablo Blanco]

it was this flower from the garden, near his pool, in a potted plant.  he made his own ricin using it, I think?  Season 3 ended with him looking at that flower, so we knew it'd play a big role in the show later.  I bet "I let jane die" comes out too, when they throw down next week.  And I bet he kills jesse.


admit it, we all thought he was going to belly shoot jesse during that desert hug tonight lol.

He made the ricin from beans.  Remember how he had those castor beans. 

Jesse was pissed because he thought the hug from Walt in the dessert showed that Walt really cared about him.  enough that it convinced him to pack up and leave, but once he realized that walt was behind lifting the ricing cig, it made Jesse realize Walt has been playing him from day one.  That Walt never gave a fuck about him and has continued to play him.  Jesse always suspected Walt poisoned Brock but was played to believe otherwise.  Jesse is just tired of getting played.  he finally snapped and decides to blaze the house.  I don't think Jesse knows Walt Jr. is back home.  He probably takes off once he hears Jr rustling about.  Probably why the house gets boarded up.  how can you go back into a home saturated with gasoline?

[Raymondo]

He made the ricin from beans.  Remember how he had those castor beans.  

Jesse was pissed because he thought the hug from Walt in the dessert showed that Walt really cared about him.  enough that it convinced him to pack up and leave, but once he realized that walt was behind lifting the ricing cig, it made Jesse realize Walt has been playing him from day one.  That Walt never gave a fuck about him and has continued to play him.  Jesse always suspected Walt poisoned Brock but was played to believe otherwise.  Jesse is just tired of getting played.  he finally snapped and decides to blaze the house.  I don't think Jesse knows Walt Jr. is back home.  He probably takes off once he hears Jr rustling about.  Probably why the house gets boarded up.  how can you go back into a home saturated with gasoline?

Watch the episode again, Jesse is quite tired of Walt's deceptions- he doesn't hug him back. The options are clear. He either leaves or Walt kills him.

[El Diablo Blanco]

Watch the episode again, Jesse is quite tired with Walt's deceptions- he doesn't hug him back. The options are clear. He either leaves or Walt kills him.

You can see Jesse break down and start crying with the hug.  Yeah, but he cried because he knew what it meant.  Leave or die.

[BIG ACH]

Can you imagine if Skyler was home when Jessie busted into the house with the gas cannister! lol

"WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU'RE DOING!!! GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE BEFORE I DRIVE MY HIGH HEEL RIGHT THROUGH YOUR EYE!!!!" lol 

[Rudee]

Can you imagine if Skyler was home when Jessie busted into the house with the gas cannister! lol

"WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU'RE DOING!!! GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE BEFORE I DRIVE MY HIGH HEEL RIGHT THROUGH YOUR EYE!!!!" lol  

Skylar is a disillusioned lost soul, and there is a lot of pent up anger and frustration inside her that's going to blow any time now.  I'm kind of hoping she goes ape shit at the breakfast table and snaps Walt Jr's neck.  

[O.Z.]

Brilliant episode,especially the "confession".Walters alwways one step ahead.
http://www.zzstream.li/2013/08/breaking-bad-s8-e11-confessions.html

yes, that was a good twist.