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Re: The Syria Attack - Will it be justified or not?
« Reply #550 on: September 10, 2013, 01:52:25 PM »
Friend of mine did research at a Syrian University. Very educated and civilized people. He did not meet Assad, but some ministers of the state. Very educated and really Western orientated people. Not a super-Jihad state or something at all.
That's why I don't understand Assad. Just some modifications and a better long/term direction and things could work out perfectly....

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Re: BREAKING: Assad Threatens Americans With Terrorist Attacks
« Reply #551 on: September 10, 2013, 01:54:09 PM »
Wiggs should be peacemaker between baboons & chimpanzees  ;D

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Re: The Syria Attack - Will it be justified or not?
« Reply #553 on: September 10, 2013, 02:38:55 PM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/10/nsa-surveillance-documents_n_3902208.html

Obama is a lying sack of shit

LOL huffpo comments are always priceless

"What about the criminal cabal headed up by war criminal in chief Bush II, that preceded this POTUS. Why is HE not in prison for war crimes? "

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Re: The Syria Attack - Will it be justified or not?
« Reply #554 on: September 10, 2013, 04:37:12 PM »
This Syrian president's chin is caved in because of too many balls have rested on it...Now that he can't have balls on his chin, he wants to start WW3...

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Re: The Syria Attack - Will it be justified or not?
« Reply #555 on: September 10, 2013, 04:46:59 PM »

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Re: BREAKING: Assad Threatens Americans With Terrorist Attacks
« Reply #556 on: September 10, 2013, 08:09:50 PM »
So America attacking Syria is not labeled as terrorism but if he retaliates it's terrorism.
Haha, no wonder people hate America.  We make our own rules.
All other violent acts are "act of terror", when we kill its to "preserve freedom". ::)
Or others are "evil" and our country has "god's" blessing.
If you buy into our government, you're a fool.
I like living here, but so many Americans are quite, how do you say....dumb.
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On The Verge Of WWIII And Need A book To Read?
« Reply #557 on: September 10, 2013, 08:52:54 PM »

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Re: On The Verge Of WWIII And Need A book To Read?
« Reply #558 on: September 10, 2013, 09:01:05 PM »
Looks like a real pick me up. 

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Re: BREAKING: Assad Threatens Americans With Terrorist Attacks
« Reply #559 on: September 10, 2013, 09:02:42 PM »
Obama's address to the nation earlier tonight.

Lest we forget, Obama stayed out of the Syrian conflict for 2 years, despite strong pushes from some of his cabinet to intervene.

U.S. military intelligence revealed that chemical weapons were launched from Syrian Army positions.  Other countries intelligence agencies, such as Germany, have also revealed this.

Al-Assad, who initially denied have chemical weapons, suddenly has come clean and welcomed inspectors into his facilities.  This indicates that Al-Assad is deceptive.

Chemical weapons were the red line, Al-Assad crossed that line.



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Re: The Syria Attack - Will it be justified or not?
« Reply #560 on: September 10, 2013, 09:06:15 PM »
It's possible that the Obama Administration genuinely wants to enforce anti-chemical norms for their own sake, despite previous USG behavior -- fostering Saddam's chemical program and standing by him as he used such weapons on the Iranians and his own people, for example -- but more likely, it is willing to enforce them on this occasion because doing so lines up with its perceived interests, a style of decision making common to every administration.

That shouldn't be surprising to anyone, should it? Don't most other governments try to preserve/expand their power when the opportunity presents itself, applying a moralistic glean to such behavior?

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Re: BREAKING: Assad Threatens Americans With Terrorist Attacks
« Reply #561 on: September 10, 2013, 09:13:31 PM »
This is all a distraction. In the end people will see that U.S. Iran, Russia, Israel, China, all working together. This has been a show to usher in the new age. 1 world government and Americans will be disarmed by foreign troops. They'll create a false flag to lure the Americans into some BS conflict overseas, the input "UN peacekeepers". to pull the plug on Americans.

C'mon, dude.

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Re: BREAKING: Assad Threatens Americans With Terrorist Attacks
« Reply #562 on: September 10, 2013, 09:27:46 PM »
 http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/aipac-syria-96344.html

The powerful pro-Israel lobby AIPAC is planning to launch a major lobbying campaign to push wayward lawmakers to back the resolution authorizing U.S. strikes against Syria, sources said Thursday.

Officials say that some 250 Jewish leaders and AIPAC activists will storm the halls on Capitol Hill beginning next week to persuade lawmakers that Congress must adopt the resolution or risk emboldening Iran’s efforts to build a nuclear weapon. They are expected to lobby virtually every member of Congress, arguing that “barbarism” by the Assad regime cannot be tolerated, and that failing to act would “send a message” to Tehran that the U.S. won’t stand up to hostile countries’ efforts to develop weapons of mass destruction, according to a source with the group.


“History tells us that ambiguity [in U.S. actions] invites aggression,” said the AIPAC source who asked not to be named. The source added the group will now be engaged in a “major mobilization” over the issue.



Despite the group’s political muscle, it often doesn’t get involved in congressional fights over authorizing military action, and it had been mum about intervening in Syria as recently as last week.

But the stepped-up involvement comes at a welcome time for the White House, which is struggling to muster the votes in both chambers for a resolution that would give President Barack Obama the authority to engage in “limited” military action in Syria for 60 days, with one 30-day extension possible. The hawkish group also has ties to many Republicans, including ones who have been critical of the Obama administration’s handling of U.S.-Israeli affairs.



The top two Senate GOP leaders — Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky and Minority Whip John Cornyn of Texas — both have already been urged by top Jewish donors and AIPAC allies to back the Syria resolution, sources say. Unlike their House GOP counterparts who endorsed the measure, McConnell and Cornyn have withheld their support.

A Cornyn aide said Thursday that the senator currently opposes the Syria resolution, which will be debated on the Senate floor next week.

“If the vote were held today, Sen. Cornyn would vote no,” said Megan Mitchell, a spokeswoman for Cornyn. “What he is waiting to see is a credible plan from the administration that will achieve our national security objectives. Specifically, a plan to keep chemical weapons out of the hands of terrorists.”

Don Stewart, a spokesman for McConnell, said that his boss had yet to announce his position on the resolution. McConnell said earlier this week: “While we are learning more about his plans, Congress and our constituents would all benefit from knowing more about what it is he thinks needs to be done — and can be accomplished — in Syria and the region.”


Indeed, AIPAC and the White House also have their work cut out for them in the House — and among Democrats.

Leaving a classified briefing on Syria Thursday, Rep. Niki Tsongas (D-Mass.) said she was undecided on the issue.

“For me, it’s about what makes sense for this country,” Tsongas said when asked how the security of Israel was playing into her deliberations.


 http://www.thenation.com/blog/176001/nyt-cuts-references-aipac-syria-debate

 It was startling, though not exactly surprising. Web detectives spotted it fairly easily. I saw it first from M.J. Rosenberg, but perhaps someone else had earlier. The Daily Beast and others referred to the grafs before they were cut. The Boston Globe published it earlier, in picking up The New York Times story, for example, and they still have it online.

This was cut from the Times’s top story of the day, on their site and in print:

    Administration officials said the influential pro-Israel lobby group Aipac was already at work pressing for military action against the government of Mr. Assad, fearing that if Syria escapes American retribution for its use of chemical weapons, Iran might be emboldened in the future to attack Israel. In the House, the majority leader, Eric Cantor of Virginia, the only Jewish Republican in Congress, has long worked to challenge Democrats’ traditional base among Jews.

    One administration official, who, like others, declined to be identified discussing White House strategy, called Aipac “the 800-pound gorilla in the room,” and said its allies in Congress had to be saying, “If the White House is not capable of enforcing this red line” against the catastrophic use of chemical weapons, “we’re in trouble.”

Updates; All of the many changes in the story tracked here.  Goldberg talks to Politico about it. As he notes, very “strange”—original article was accurate and no space issues on the Web.…Some dialogue with the Times’s Robert Mackey on Twitter, in which he claims “transparency.”  And now: See NYT explanation for cut here (“gorilla” quote had appeared the day before).

Rosenberg comments:

    Obviously the White House and/or AIPAC did not want to be caught saying that the reason we are attacking Syria is to show AIPAC, the “800 pound gorilla,” that we are serious about the war the lobby really craves: Iran.

    But there it is. Or was.

    AIPAC censorship even applies to the Times. Only in America (not Israel, where AIPAC’s power does not extend to Haaretz).

Jeffrey Goldberg in tweet to me just now: “I noted, on Twitter, the AIPAC cut early this morning. Trying to get an answer about why it was cut.”

Brent Sasley at The Daily Beast had commented when he read original story;

    One might, then, expect it to take a public position on the biggest issue of the day, U.S. strikes against the regime’s military assets. And after President Obama announced he was going to Congress for authorization for the attack, observers began wondering—with some claiming more confidently—that AIPAC would become much more active. Apparently White House officials even fear what AIPAC will do. If Obama is seen as not enforcing his red line over Syria, how, one hinted, would this “800-pound gorilla in the room” view the Administration’s Iran policy.



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 Analysis: Saudi Prince Bandar, the man tasked with handling some very serious foreign affairs by the Saudi King, is behind much of what is happening in Syria right now. It is Bandar through which a lot of the weapons on both fronts are flowing. He’s a household name among intelligence communities, including the CIA, who use him to their own ends. In Syria, his goal is to get rid of Assad, and while he may be losing that game for the time being, change is in the air. Bandar, the former Saudi ambassador to Washington, is a dangerous figure who has far too great a role in what is happening right now in the Middle East. But in Syria, the chemical attack last week is the most convenient thing that could have happened for Bandar and the Saudi goal of pushing for direct US intervention. The chemical attack—which the US publicly says was most likely perpetrated by Assad—makes no sense at this time for the Assad regime. The Syrian rebels are losing and they are clearly outgunned, but the West has hesitated to intervene directly unless the “red line” (chemical attacks) is crossed. Now it has been crossed, and the Saudis have won their lobbying power in Washington. (Remember, it was the Saudis who late last year tried to convince Washington that a chemical attack at that time was the work of Assad). There will be consequences for the wider Middle…



 http://www.corbettreport.com/episode-279-who-is-really-behind-the-syrian-war/



 http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/aug/30/syria-chemical-attack-war-intervention-oil-gas-energy-pipelines


 

On 21 August, hundreds - perhaps over a thousand - people were killed in a chemical weapon attack in Ghouta, Damascus, prompting the US, UK, Israel and France to raise the spectre of military strikes against Bashir al Assad's forces.

The latest episode is merely one more horrific event in a conflict that has increasingly taken on genocidal characteristics. The case for action at first glance is indisputable. The UN now confirms a death toll over 100,000 people, the vast majority of whom have been killed by Assad's troops. An estimated 4.5 million people have been displaced from their homes. International observers have overwhelmingly confirmed Assad's complicity in the preponderance of war crimes and crimes against humanity against the Syrian people. The illegitimacy of his regime, and the legitimacy of the uprising, is clear.

Experts are unanimous that the shocking footage of civilians, including children, suffering the effects of some sort of chemical attack, is real - but remain divided on whether it involved military-grade chemical weapons associated with Assad's arsenal, or were a more amateur concoction potentially linked to the rebels.

Whatever the case, few recall that US agitation against Syria began long before recent atrocities, in the context of wider operations targeting Iranian influence across the Middle East.

In May 2007, a presidential finding revealed that Bush had authorised CIA operations against Iran. Anti-Syria operations were also in full swing around this time as part of this covert programme, according to Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker. A range of US government and intelligence sources told him that the Bush administration had "cooperated with Saudi Arabia's government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations" intended to weaken the Shi'ite Hezbollah in Lebanon. "The US has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria," wrote Hersh, "a byproduct" of which is "the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups" hostile to the United States and "sympathetic to al-Qaeda." He noted that "the Saudi government, with Washington's approval, would provide funds and logistical aid to weaken the government of President Bashir Assad, of Syria," with a view to pressure him to be "more conciliatory and open to negotiations" with Israel. One faction receiving covert US "political and financial support" through the Saudis was the exiled Syrian Muslim Brotherhood.

According to former French foreign minister Roland Dumas, Britain had planned covert action in Syria as early as 2009: "I was in England two years before the violence in Syria on other business", he told French television:

    "I met with top British officials, who confessed to me that they were preparing something in Syria. This was in Britain not in America. Britain was preparing gunmen to invade Syria."

The 2011 uprisings, it would seem - triggered by a confluence of domestic energy shortages and climate-induced droughts which led to massive food price hikes - came at an opportune moment that was quickly exploited. Leaked emails from the private intelligence firm Stratfor including notes from a meeting with Pentagon officials confirmed US-UK training of Syrian opposition forces since 2011 aimed at eliciting "collapse" of Assad's regime "from within."

So what was this unfolding strategy to undermine Syria and Iran all about? According to retired NATO Secretary General Wesley Clark, a memo from the Office of the US Secretary of Defense just a few weeks after 9/11 revealed plans to "attack and destroy the governments in 7 countries in five years", starting with Iraq and moving on to "Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran." In a subsequent interview, Clark argues that this strategy is fundamentally about control of the region's vast oil and gas resources.

Much of the strategy currently at play was candidly described in a 2008 US Army-funded RAND report, Unfolding the Future of the Long War . The report noted that "the economies of the industrialized states will continue to rely heavily on oil, thus making it a strategically important resource." As most oil will be produced in the Middle East, the US has "motive for maintaining stability in and good relations with Middle Eastern states":

    "The geographic area of proven oil reserves coincides with the power base of much of the Salafi-jihadist network. This creates a linkage between oil supplies and the long war that is not easily broken or simply characterized... For the foreseeable future, world oil production growth and total output will be dominated by Persian Gulf resources... The region will therefore remain a strategic priority, and this priority will interact strongly with that of prosecuting the long war."

In this context, the report identified several potential trajectories for regional policy focused on protecting access to Gulf oil supplies, among which the following are most salient:

    "Divide and Rule focuses on exploiting fault lines between the various Salafi-jihadist groups to turn them against each other and dissipate their energy on internal conflicts. This strategy relies heavily on covert action, information operations (IO), unconventional warfare, and support to indigenous security forces... the United States and its local allies could use the nationalist jihadists to launch proxy IO campaigns to discredit the transnational jihadists in the eyes of the local populace... US leaders could also choose to capitalize on the 'Sustained Shia-Sunni Conflict' trajectory by taking the side of the conservative Sunni regimes against Shiite empowerment movements in the Muslim world.... possibly supporting authoritative Sunni governments against a continuingly hostile Iran."

Exploring different scenarios for this trajectory, the report speculated that the US may concentrate "on shoring up the traditional Sunni regimes in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Pakistan as a way of containing Iranian power and influence in the Middle East and Persian Gulf." Noting that this could actually empower al-Qaeda jihadists, the report concluded that doing so might work in western interests by bogging down jihadi activity with internal sectarian rivalry rather than targeting the US:

    "One of the oddities of this long war trajectory is that it may actually reduce the al-Qaeda threat to US interests in the short term. The upsurge in Shia identity and confidence seen here would certainly cause serious concern in the Salafi-jihadist community in the Muslim world, including the senior leadership of al-Qaeda. As a result, it is very likely that al-Qaeda might focus its efforts on targeting Iranian interests throughout the Middle East and Persian Gulf while simultaneously cutting back on anti-American and anti-Western operations."

The RAND document contextualised this disturbing strategy with surprisingly prescient recognition of the increasing vulnerability of the US's key allies and enemies - Saudi Arabia, the Gulf states, Egypt, Syria, Iran - to a range of converging crises: rapidly rising populations, a 'youth bulge', internal economic inequalities, political frustrations, sectarian tensions, and environmentally-linked water shortages, all of which could destabilise these countries from within or exacerbate inter-state conflicts.

The report noted especially that Syria is among several "downstream countries that are becoming increasingly water scarce as their populations grow", increasing a risk of conflict. Thus, although the RAND document fell far short of recognising the prospect of an 'Arab Spring', it illustrates that three years before the 2011 uprisings, US defence officials were alive to the region's growing instabilities, and concerned by the potential consequences for stability of Gulf oil.

These strategic concerns, motivated by fear of expanding Iranian influence, impacted Syria primarily in relation to pipeline geopolitics. In 2009 - the same year former French foreign minister Dumas alleges the British began planning operations in Syria - Assad refused to sign a proposed agreement with Qatar that would run a pipeline from the latter's North field, contiguous with Iran's South Pars field, through Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and on to Turkey, with a view to supply European markets - albeit crucially bypassing Russia. Assad's rationale was "to protect the interests of [his] Russian ally, which is Europe's top supplier of natural gas."

Instead, the following year, Assad pursued negotiations for an alternative $10 billion pipeline plan with Iran, across Iraq to Syria, that would also potentially allow Iran to supply gas to Europe from its South Pars field shared with Qatar. The Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for the project was signed in July 2012 - just as Syria's civil war was spreading to Damascus and Aleppo - and earlier this year Iraq signed a framework agreement for construction of the gas pipelines.

The Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline plan was a "direct slap in the face" to Qatar's plans. No wonder Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan, in a failed attempt to bribe Russia to switch sides, told President Vladmir Putin that "whatever regime comes after" Assad, it will be "completely" in Saudi Arabia's hands and will "not sign any agreement allowing any Gulf country to transport its gas across Syria to Europe and compete with Russian gas exports", according to diplomatic sources. When Putin refused, the Prince vowed military action.

It would seem that contradictory self-serving Saudi and Qatari oil interests are pulling the strings of an equally self-serving oil-focused US policy in Syria, if not the wider region. It is this - the problem of establishing a pliable opposition which the US and its oil allies feel confident will play ball, pipeline-style, in a post-Assad Syria - that will determine the nature of any prospective intervention: not concern for Syrian life.

What is beyond doubt is that Assad is a war criminal whose government deserves to be overthrown. The question is by whom, and for what interests?



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Re: BREAKING: Assad Threatens Americans With Terrorist Attacks
« Reply #563 on: September 10, 2013, 09:28:23 PM »


 http://www.pslweb.org/liberationnews/news/9-times-used-chemical-weapons-WMDs.html
 

 There has been no evidence presented that the Syrian government is responsible for the chemical attack that took the lives of hundreds of civilians. But the U.S. government and Britain claim that their allegations alone give them the moral authority to launch military action, in direct violation of international law. What they leave out is the long history of the U.S. government and its partners using chemical weapons and other weapons of mass destruction—and getting away with it. Here are nine examples:


 #1: World War I, 1914-1918

Modern chemical weapons were first used on a mass scale during World War I, when the imperialist powers of the world sent their soldiers to kill and die in clouds of mustard gas and phosgene to re-divide the world amongst themselves. Germany was the first to use this deadly new weapon, but all sides of the inter-imperialist war joined in. Gas attacks killed 90,000 soldiers and civilians, while being linked to another 1.2 million casualties. Over 10 percent of all chemists in the United States were involved in the production of chemical weapons during the war, and the government ordered 3,000 tons of its own homegrown type of gas.

#2: Britain in Mesopotamia in 1920

Facing a heroic uprising staged by the people of Iraq, British colonial authorities authorized the use of chemical weapons against civilian populations, arguing in their “Manual of Military Law” that “the rules of International Law… do not apply in wars with uncivilized States and tribes”. Winston Churchill, then the civilian head of the British air force, stated that he was “strongly in favor of using poisoned gas against uncivilized tribes,” which he argued, “would spread a lively terror.”

#3: The nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945

In one of the most infamous crimes against humanity, the U.S. government dropped atomic bombs on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945 even though top military and political leaders knew that the war was effectively over. Approximately 180,000 people were killed immediately by the bombings, and hundreds of thousands died later of radiation poisoning in the first and only use of nuclear weapons in human history.

#4: Agent Orange in Vietnam, 1961-1971

Over the course of the Vietnam War the U.S. military dropped over 20 million gallons of a deadly chemical weapon called Agent Orange. This campaign killed or maimed 400,000 Vietnamese and led to 500,000 babies being born with debilitating birth defects, in addition to devastating the economic life of the Vietnamese countryside by destroying all plant life that the chemical contacted.

#5: Iran-Iraq War

During the 1980-1988 war between Iraq and Iran, the United States supported the Iraqi government led by Saddam Hussein against the post-Shah Iranian government. Secret documents that have recently been declassified show that the CIA was fully aware of Iraq’s brutal and illegal use of chemical weapons but still continued to provide intelligence and other forms of political and military support. Pictured is Hussein with Donald Rumsfeld, who personally managed the chemical weapons sales.

#6: Depleted uranium in Gulf War

In the 1991 and 2003 invasions of Iraq, the U.S. military used depleted uranium—a chemically toxic and radioactive waste product of nuclear energy—in armor-piercing munitions. The use of DU has been linked to higher radioactivity, cancer rates, and congenital malformations among Iraqi civilians and U.S. soldiers. The United Nations Environment Program (UNEP) estimated that the U.S. fired 1,000 to 2,000 metric tons of depleted uranium in 2003.

#7: White phosphorus in Fallujah, 2005

During the murderous assault on Fallujah in 2004, the U.S. military used white phosphorous chemical weapons as part of its campaign to level the Iraqi city, ultimately forcing 300,000 people to flee their homes. Although the Pentagon still officially denies that it used this brutal weapon, they are contradicted by countless eyewitnesses. One Marine who fought in the battle remembered, “I heard the order to pay attention because they were going to use white phosphorus on Fallujah… Phosphorus burns bodies, in fact it melts the flesh all the way down to the bone... I saw the burned bodies of women and children.”

#8: Israeli use of white phosphorous against people of Gaza, 2008-09

In its 2008-2009 massacre of hundreds of civilians in Gaza, Israel extensively used U.S.-made white phosphorous shells to terrorize densely populated areas – a form of collective punishment for daring to defy colonial aggression. Sabah Abu Halima, a Palestinian victim of an Israeli white phosphorous attack, recalled, “The fire was like lava, my family was burnt and their bodies turned to crisps.” Israel also has repeatedly used thousands of cluster bombs, which wreak enormous civilian damage.

#9 Military testing of radioactive chemicals in St. Louis communities, 1953-1954 and 1963-1965

The United States Military conducted top-secret experiments on the citizens of St. Louis, Missouri, for years, exposing them to radioactive compounds without their knowledge or consent. Approximately 10,000 residents of the Pruitt-Igoe public housing complex, primarily poor and Black, were exposed to the most chemicals. The Army told them they were testing harmless smoke screens, but in fact they were testing the chemical for potential use against the Soviet Union.


 http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/industry/319031-raytheon-stock-nears-annual-high-amid-news-of-syria-strike-


 The stock price for U.S. defense firm Raytheon jumped close to its highest level Tuesday on Wall Street amid news of possible U.S. military action in Syria.

Raytheon shares were trading at nearly $77 each when U.S. markets opened, coming close to matching its all-time price of $77.93 over the last year for the American defense firm.

Less than an hour before the closing bell, the company's stock price dipped down to $75.25 a share but remained far higher than $52.24 per share, the stock's low point over the last year.

Raytheon is the prime manufacturer of the long-range Tomahawk cruise missile, among other weapon systems and components the company develops for the Defense Department.

The Tomahawk has long been a staple for U.S. Navy warships, and were last used to take out targets in Libya during a 2011 operation to oust former dictator Moammar Gadhafi.

Several Arleigh Burke-class U.S. destroyers outfitted with Tomahawk missiles are on station off the coast of Syria, awaiting orders to begin missile strikes against targets inside the country.

The Obama administration is targeting particular military units and bases in Syria that officials believe are responsible for carrying out chemical weapon attacks against rebel forces in the country.

The entire target list drafted by U.S. military and intelligence officials includes no more than 50 sites inside Syria where forces loyal to President Bashar Assad are stationed, according to recent reports.

Other targets include command and control stations, Syrian military airbases and several "conventional military targets," a U.S. defense official told The New York Times on Tuesday.

If successful, the U.S. strikes could cripple the Syrian military's ability to carry out attacks on rebel forces and bring the government to its knees.

However, White House officials said the goal of these strikes is not to force Assad from power.

"The options we are considering are not about regime change," White House press secretary Jay Carney said Tuesday.

"That is not what we are contemplating here," he told reporters at the White House.
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Re: BREAKING: Assad Threatens Americans With Terrorist Attacks
« Reply #564 on: September 10, 2013, 10:27:05 PM »
Obama's address to the nation earlier tonight.

Lest we forget, Obama stayed out of the Syrian conflict for 2 years, despite strong pushes from some of his cabinet to intervene.

U.S. military intelligence revealed that chemical weapons were launched from Syrian Army positions.  Other countries intelligence agencies, such as Germany, have also revealed this.

Al-Assad, who initially denied have chemical weapons, suddenly has come clean and welcomed inspectors into his facilities.  This indicates that Al-Assad is deceptive.

Chemical weapons were the red line, Al-Assad crossed that line.






Bullshit, Obama's been arming rebels for 2 years as part of a proxy war.

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Re: BREAKING: Assad Threatens Americans With Terrorist Attacks
« Reply #565 on: September 10, 2013, 10:28:14 PM »
Putin takes advantage of Kerry-blunder


In what looks like an off-the-cuff blunder, Secretary of State John Kerry might have accidentally given Russian President Vladmir Putin the opportunity to muddy the international diplomatic waters and buy his friends in Syria some time.

During a press briefing on Monday, Kerry said that Assad could avoid American air strikes by giving up all his chemical weapons within a week.

Within hours, the State Department was forced to walk Kerry's new red line back with the claim that he was making a "rhetorical argument about the impossibility and unlikelihood of Assad turning over chemical weapons he has denied he used."

It seems, then, reasonable to conclude that Kerry spoke out of turn. Kerry was not authorized to offer Syria an "out" or a new ultimatum. But Kerry's hypothetical hyperbole appears to have already backfired.

In an obvious desire to make Kerry pay for his flub and throw a wrench in Obama's determination to go to war with Syria, Putin has seized upon Kerry's hypothetical and called on Syria to accept Kerry's offer and turn over all of its chemical weapons.

No one believes Assad would ever willingly give up his chemical weapons, but should he agree to an offer the Obama administration did not mean to make, it could stall American action for weeks and even months.

Syria is already warming to the idea.  

This complication could be a major blow to all of the Obama administration's prepared plans to punish Assad for using the weapons and to change the balance of power in the ongoing Syrian civil war.  Public opposition to Obama's war is already surging.
Weeks or months from now, after the torturous international diplomatic process that no one believes would end with Assad giving up the chemical weapons that keep him in power winds down, it is doubtful Congress or the American public would be ready to stomach a renewed push for war.

But now that Putin has suggested Syria say "yes" to an offer Kerry was sure no one would accept, the Associated Press is reporting that the State Department will take a "hard look" at Russia's proposal.

Just like Obama's unscripted "red line" comment that started this debacle, it looks as though another off-teleprompter administration blunder has shoved America's foreign policy into a corner.

This!  Putin plays a good chess game.

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Syrian rebels plan chem attack on Israel from Assad-controlled territories
« Reply #566 on: September 11, 2013, 02:25:21 AM »
A chemical attack may be launched on Israel by Syrian rebels from government-controlled territories as a "major provocation," multiple sources told RT.

http://rt.com/news/syria-rebels-chemical-attack-israel-618/

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Re: Syrian rebels plan chem attack on Israel from Assad-controlled territories
« Reply #567 on: September 11, 2013, 02:37:32 AM »
A chemical attack may be launched on Israel by Syrian rebels from government-controlled territories as a "major provocation," multiple sources told RT.

http://rt.com/news/syria-rebels-chemical-attack-israel-618/

Yeah right, they a not that stupid, Jews would slaughter them.
They should tray frontal attack on Golan heights  ;D ;D ;D & test those motion/laser machine guns  ;)
Got a filling that Israel would take another chunk of Syria if shit happen'  :)

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Re: Syrian rebels plan chem attack on Israel from Assad-controlled territories
« Reply #568 on: September 11, 2013, 02:43:37 AM »
I thought Syria was giving up their Chem Weapons after yesterday.
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Re: Syrian rebels plan chem attack on Israel from Assad-controlled territories
« Reply #569 on: September 11, 2013, 02:49:01 AM »
Syrian Air-Defence Force

40,000 active personnel
Two Air Defence Division HQ
Twenty-five Air Defence Brigade
One hundred thirty Air Defence Batteries

25 teams defense (130 batteries) Including:

Self-propelled
62 batteries:
11 teams - 27 batteries - SA-6 Gainful (PU SAM 2K12 Square);
14 Battery - SA-8 Gecko (PU SAM 9K33 Osa);
12 Battery - SA-22 Greyhound (96K6 Pantsyr S1E);
9 Battery - Buk-M2

Towed
11 teams - 60 batteries with SA-2 Guideline (CP-75 Dvina / S-75M Volga) and SA-3 Goa (S-125 Neva / S-125M Pechora) (Being upgraded);

Two SAM regiment with SA-5 Gammon(in each brigade to 2 divisions for 2 batteries each).
Four SAM battalion
Eight Static/Shelter SAM batteries

Two independent SAM Regiment
Four SAM batteries with SA-8
Four SAM batteries with SA-10

320 Lavochkin CP-75 Dvina/S-75M Volga (SA-2) launchers - under upgrade
148 Isayev S-125 Neva/S-125M Pechora (SA-3) launchers - under upgrade
48 S-200 Angara (SA-5) launchers
200 2K12 Kub (SA-6) launchers
60 9K33 Osa (SA-8) launchers
20 9K31 Strela-1 (SA-9) launchers
35 9K35 Strela-10 (SA-13) launchers
48 9K37 Buk (SA-11) launchers
N/A 9M311-1M Tunguska (SA-19) launchers
50 Pantsir-S1 (SA-22) launchers
N/A S-300 (missile) launchers

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Re: Syrian rebels plan chem attack on Israel from Assad-controlled territories
« Reply #570 on: September 11, 2013, 02:50:21 AM »
More impressive Army than we thought?

10,885 Armoured Fighting Vehicles:
6450 Main battle tanks (including 1,150 in storage)
1,125 Amphibious Armoured Scout Cars
2,950 Infantry fighting vehicles
1,860 Armoured personnel carriers
4,815+ Towed Artillery Pieces:
1,010+ Mortars
2,130+ Gun/Howitzers (400 in storage)
1,675+ Anti-aircraft guns (300+ in storage)
1,136 Self-Propelled Artillery Pieces:
485 Self-propelled howitzers
650 Self-propelled anti-aircraft guns (240 in storage)
6,890+ Anti Tank Guided Weapon Launchers (4,290 in storage)
500+ Multiple Launch Rocket Systems
86+ Tactical ballistic missile launchers
4,235+ Surface to Air Missile Launchers:
4,000+ MANPADS
1 Manhole
1 Tiberius Bombz
235 Self-propelled air-defence systems

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Re: BREAKING: Assad Threatens Americans With Terrorist Attacks
« Reply #571 on: September 11, 2013, 02:54:38 AM »
Yep, tonight he gives a speech regarding this whole Syria situation.

And U pretend to be ex soldier  ::), "this WHOLE Syria situation"  ???
o, yeah Mr.Prez will give away all technical details  ::) ::) ::)

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Re: Syrian rebels plan chem attack on Israel from Assad-controlled territories
« Reply #572 on: September 11, 2013, 02:56:09 AM »
More impressive Army than we thought?

10,885 Armoured Fighting Vehicles:
6450 Main battle tanks (including 1,150 in storage)
1,125 Amphibious Armoured Scout Cars
2,950 Infantry fighting vehicles
1,860 Armoured personnel carriers
4,815+ Towed Artillery Pieces:
1,010+ Mortars
2,130+ Gun/Howitzers (400 in storage)
1,675+ Anti-aircraft guns (300+ in storage)
1,136 Self-Propelled Artillery Pieces:
485 Self-propelled howitzers
650 Self-propelled anti-aircraft guns (240 in storage)
6,890+ Anti Tank Guided Weapon Launchers (4,290 in storage)
500+ Multiple Launch Rocket Systems
86+ Tactical ballistic missile launchers
4,235+ Surface to Air Missile Launchers:
4,000+ MANPADS
1 Manhole
1 Tiberius Bombz
235 Self-propelled air-defence systems
1 Tbomz??

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Re: Syrian rebels plan chem attack on Israel from Assad-controlled territories
« Reply #573 on: September 11, 2013, 03:01:13 AM »
3-4 years old numbers, half of the army is fuck of,Israel allready destroyed
X #. of rocket systems  ;)

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