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Re: Why do atheists think they're smarter than most people?
« Reply #100 on: August 31, 2013, 02:28:03 PM »

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Re: Why do atheists think they're smarter than most people?
« Reply #101 on: August 31, 2013, 02:30:16 PM »
TA, so atheism means that you are anti-christian, or that you don't believe there was a creation force? And yep, bible and any other religion books are off, but things tend to make me believe there was something we still don't know about, but you coul call it a God.

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Re: Why do atheists think they're smarter than most people?
« Reply #102 on: August 31, 2013, 02:32:16 PM »
It could be said that the basic message of Salvation has been purposely buried.

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Re: Why do atheists think they're smarter than most people?
« Reply #103 on: August 31, 2013, 02:33:16 PM »
...yet it will always rise from the ground.

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Re: Why do atheists think they're smarter than most people?
« Reply #104 on: August 31, 2013, 02:34:24 PM »

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Re: Why do atheists think they're smarter than most people?
« Reply #105 on: August 31, 2013, 02:36:01 PM »
Aren't you the guy who thinks some pros are natural? Yep, you sound like a very smart fella.  ::)

no. but arent you the guy that believes in God?

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Re: Why do atheists think they're smarter than most people?
« Reply #107 on: August 31, 2013, 02:37:41 PM »
TA, so atheism means that you are anti-christian, or that you don't believe there was a creation force? And yep, bible and any other religion books are off, but things tend to make me believe there was something we still don't know about, but you coul call it a God.
There are endless things we don`t know about and No, you can`t call it "god"  to do so is surrendering reason and suspending the quest to understand anything.  There is nothing wrong with saying, "I don`t know yet, but I would like to find out".  Automatically invoking a supreme being or force is just an exercise in idiocy and mental surrender.  



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Re: Why do atheists think they're smarter than most people?
« Reply #108 on: August 31, 2013, 02:39:27 PM »
no. but arent you the guy that believes in God?


Yes. You've said some really dumb shit on this site, Stu.

Outrageously stupid comments about steroids, bodybuilding, etc.

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Re: Why do atheists think they're smarter than most people?
« Reply #109 on: August 31, 2013, 02:46:20 PM »
Yes. You've said some really dumb shit on this site, Stu.

Outrageously stupid comments about steroids, bodybuilding, etc.

i cant help that this site is full of morons.

ive noticed that the actual smart people end up leaving. i stay for the comedy.

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Re: Why do atheists think they're smarter than most people?
« Reply #110 on: August 31, 2013, 02:48:20 PM »
There are endless things we don`t know about and No, you can`t call it "god"  to do so is surrendering reason and suspending the quest to understand anything.  There is nothing wrong with saying, "I don`t know yet, but I would like to find out".  Automatically invoking a supreme being or force is just an exercise in idiocy and mental surrender.  




Fair well, as I said, some things tend to make me believe that and it's not the lack of understanding but the understaning of how complex those process are. But I don't think you would ever change your mind, I'm ok with that, what I hate, is that some morons think they are intelligent because they "concluded" there isn't something out there.

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Re: Why do atheists think they're smarter than most people?
« Reply #111 on: August 31, 2013, 02:49:10 PM »
i cant help that this site is full of morons.

ive noticed that the actual smart people end up leaving. i stay for the comedy.

Thanks to you, there's no shortage of it. :)

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Re: Why do atheists think they're smarter than most people?
« Reply #112 on: August 31, 2013, 03:05:20 PM »
i cant help that this site is full of morons.

ive noticed that the actual smart people end up leaving. i stay for the comedy.

It follows then that you don't believe you are smart. Comedy is just an excuse. My excuse is that I stay because my life is sometimes boring and this fills the time with little effort on my part. The exception to this is that I have made some friends here who I would miss if I stopped posting.

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Re: Why do atheists think they're smarter than most people?
« Reply #113 on: August 31, 2013, 03:20:58 PM »
I think they do feel smarter, or above it to some extent, and I've come full circle on this. The atheism arrogance used to bother me, but now I understand it a little bit. Now that I am an atheist, when people bring up God, I have no patience for it. I certainly don't feel smarter, but I don't have the stomach anymore to listen to their superstitious beliefs.

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Re: Why do atheists think they're smarter than most people?
« Reply #114 on: August 31, 2013, 03:34:41 PM »

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Re: Why do atheists think they're smarter than most people?
« Reply #115 on: August 31, 2013, 03:36:45 PM »
It's sort of like a grown person saying they believed in the Tooth Fairy. Normal people would find that a little strange.

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Re: Why do atheists think they're smarter than most people?
« Reply #116 on: August 31, 2013, 03:37:06 PM »
It follows then that you don't believe you are smart. Comedy is just an excuse. My excuse is that I stay because my life is sometimes boring and this fills the time with little effort on my part. The exception to this is that I have made some friends here who I would miss if I stopped posting.

Then you'd better keep posting, kiddo.

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Re: Why do atheists think they're smarter than most people?
« Reply #117 on: August 31, 2013, 03:38:53 PM »
Then you'd better keep posting, kiddo.

I love that you referred to me as kiddo. At 69 years of age, I enjoy the idea there is still a little bit of a kid in me.

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Re: Why do atheists think they're smarter than most people?
« Reply #118 on: August 31, 2013, 03:43:21 PM »
I love that you referred to me as kiddo. At 69 years of age, I enjoy the idea there is still a little bit of a kid in me.

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Re: Why do atheists think they're smarter than most people?
« Reply #119 on: August 31, 2013, 03:45:33 PM »
It follows then that you don't believe you are smart. Comedy is just an excuse. My excuse is that I stay because my life is sometimes boring and this fills the time with little effort on my part. The exception to this is that I have made some friends here who I would miss if I stopped posting.

Prime, you're just a good old boy, never meaning no harm. :)

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Re: Why do atheists think they're smarter than most people?
« Reply #120 on: August 31, 2013, 03:46:04 PM »
The Bible is one of the most influential works of human civilization and is thus worth reading independent of its truth. That said, actually reading it is the easiest route to atheism.

It is impossible to possess a properly functioning brain and endorse its contents in their entirety upon grasping them, since to do so would be to endorse a variety of mutually incompatible propositions:

M and J's hometown was Nazareth and it wasn't;

Jesus was born of a virgin and he wasn't;

he existed before birth and he didn't;

he cleansed the Temple in the first week of his ministry and he didn't;

the Kingdom of Heaven will be here on Earth and it won't be;

Paul thinks pagans are responsible for their non-belief and will be punished accordingly and he doesn't;

Paul converted Jews in Greece and he didn't;

Jesus was the Son and he wasn't (he was the Word, silly!);

Jesus cried out to God in confusion right before being executed and he didn't;

Jesus died on the day before Passover and he didn't;

Jesus' genealogy was as Luke describes it and it wasn't (it's also as Matthew described it, even though they are different!);

etc.

I don't know that most "believers" are even aware of how shot full of inconsistency and contradiction the text is. Anyone who takes it all as literally true hasn't read it, is an idiot, or both.

So, at best we can retreat to selectively choosing the bits we think are true, or emphasizing a "metaphorical" interpretation of things. If we do the former, we need independent justification for believing the selected bits ("the book says multiple, mutually incompatible things about why Jesus died but this one is really true, I swear!) -- none of which exist -- and if we do the latter, we are admitting the claims in the book aren't literally true, which is as good as saying that they are all false.

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Re: Why do atheists think they're smarter than most people?
« Reply #121 on: August 31, 2013, 03:49:37 PM »
P.S. The above is to say nothing of the philosophical difficulties facing Christianity (e.g., the problem of evil) -- where it really gets ugly for the view -- nor for the historical data that indicates it is a man-made religion just like every other.

It really fails on all fronts other than the "providing my life with" meaning one.

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Re: Why do atheists think they're smarter than most people?
« Reply #122 on: August 31, 2013, 03:51:12 PM »
As a carpenter J.C. was employed by IKEA  ;)

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Re: Why do atheists think they're smarter than most people?
« Reply #123 on: August 31, 2013, 03:55:05 PM »
The Bible is one of the most influential works of human civilization and is thus worth reading independent of its truth. That said, actually reading it is the easiest route to atheism.

It is impossible to possess a properly functioning brain and endorse its contents in their entirety upon grasping them, since to do so would be to endorse a variety of mutually incompatible propositions:

M and J's hometown was Nazareth and it wasn't;

Jesus was born of a virgin and he wasn't;

he existed before birth and he didn't;

he cleansed the Temple in the first week of his ministry and he didn't;

the Kingdom of Heaven will be here on Earth and it won't be;

Paul thinks pagans are responsible for their non-belief and will be punished accordingly and he doesn't;

Paul converted Jews in Greece and he didn't;

Jesus was the Son and he wasn't (he was the Word, silly!);

Jesus cried out to God in confusion right before being executed and he didn't;

Jesus died on the day before Passover and he didn't;

Jesus' genealogy was as Luke describes it and it wasn't (it's also as Matthew described it, even though they are different!);

etc.

I don't know that most "believers" are even aware of how shot full of inconsistency and contradiction the text is. Anyone who takes it all as literally true hasn't read it, is an idiot, or both.

So, at best we can retreat to selectively choosing the bits we think are true, or emphasizing a "metaphorical" interpretation of things. If we do the former, we need independent justification for believing the selected bits ("the book says multiple, mutually incompatible things about why Jesus died but this one is really true, I swear!) -- none of which exist -- and if we do the latter, we are admitting the claims in the book aren't literally true, which is as good as saying that they are all false.




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Re: Why do atheists think they're smarter than most people?
« Reply #124 on: August 31, 2013, 03:57:43 PM »