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So Obama is saying that it will be a "limited response" now
« on: August 30, 2013, 11:34:51 PM »
and that we don't have to worry, there won't be boots on the ground, you can relax ::).  ok, great, I don't want to see us go in like we did in Iraq either but that's the last fucking concern here when dealing with the larger ramifications of the acts that could lead to a larger conflict like this and it may become a concern on a new scale at a later point for all new reasons that stem from this moment.. so it seems meaningless for Obama to say that now.

so we'll just shock and awe the total shit out of them for 12 to 48 hours and hope the fact that we blew the shit out of Assad's capabilities won't piss off Russia, Iran and China.  and I guess bank on no response from Syria that actually does damage because then yea, that changes "limited response"...

What happens if they manage blowing a ship or two out of the water with their new toys during this response? So many ways "limited response" can turn into something bigger than you were told it would or could be.

If we really had a stake in this, I would get it.  But do we?  Really?  Fuck no.... Assad kept the nutbags in line and for the most part let people do and worship how they wanted.  Why the fucking hell are we after this guy?  Clearly we wanted all this to happen.  But it wasn't in our best interest?

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Re: So Obama is saying that it will be a "limited response" now
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2013, 02:12:41 AM »
Like Sarah said and was mocked for it - OBAMA PALS AROUND W TERRORISTS!   



and that we don't have to worry, there won't be boots on the ground, you can relax ::).  ok, great, I don't want to see us go in like we did in Iraq either but that's the last fucking concern here when dealing with the larger ramifications of the acts that could lead to a larger conflict like this and it may become a concern on a new scale at a later point for all new reasons that stem from this moment.. so it seems meaningless for Obama to say that now.

so we'll just shock and awe the total shit out of them for 12 to 48 hours and hope the fact that we blew the shit out of Assad's capabilities won't piss off Russia, Iran and China.  and I guess bank on no response from Syria that actually does damage because then yea, that changes "limited response"...

What happens if they manage blowing a ship or two out of the water with their new toys during this response? So many ways "limited response" can turn into something bigger than you were told it would or could be.

If we really had a stake in this, I would get it.  But do we?  Really?  Fuck no.... Assad kept the nutbags in line and for the most part let people do and worship how they wanted.  Why the fucking hell are we after this guy?  Clearly we wanted all this to happen.  But it wasn't in our best interest?

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Re: So Obama is saying that it will be a "limited response" now
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2013, 02:38:06 AM »
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Inhumane War in the Name of Humanity
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Posted on August 31, 2013 3:18:26 AM EDT by Freedom of Speech Wins

Inhumane War in the Name of Humanity

Posted on Aug 30, 2013

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Former Rep. Dennis Kucinich.

By Dennis Kucinich

The following letter was sent by former Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich on the day of publication to about 200,000 recipients.

Dear Friend,

Eleven years ago I warned America we were about to get into a war based on lies. I led 125 members of Congress to oppose the Iraq War resolution. When I raised questions then, some of our leading Senators, such as John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, and John Edwards voted yes. The media was squarely behind the war. I was attacked for questioning the cause of war. Everything I said in October of 2002 as to why we should not go to war turned out to be 100 percent true. Many of those who were 100 percent wrong have continued in Congress or gone on to greater influence in government. And America? America lost 4,488 sons and daughters, with 32,021 wounded, at a cost which is approaching $6 trillion.

Today we are poised to engage in war against Syria with such a flimsy case being made to attempt to justify an attack, it could only be the product of cynicism and willful misrepresentation in the cause of war and a callous disregard for our true national interest.

FACT: There is no definitive proof that Syria’s Assad knew of and directed the chemical weapons attack on August 21st.

FACT: Intelligence which overheard Syrian military officials discussing the attack—far from implicating them—finds them denying they initiated an attack.

FACT: There are at least two instances where the opposition is said to have used chemical weapons. One incident, which occurred in March, was referred to the Security Council by Russia. Another, which occurred in April, was cited by special U.N. investigator Carla Del Ponte.

FACT: Some rockets identified near attack sites were described as “homemade.”

FACT: A coordinated effort was made by U.S. officials to discourage a full U.N. investigation.

FACT: The biggest beneficiary of the attack on the Syrian government is al-Qaida, which leads the opposition.

FACT: Syria is not an imminent threat to the United States.

FACT: Absent an imminent or actual threat to the United States, only Congress has the authority, under the Constitution, Article I, Section 8, to declare war.

Whatever we believe about Syria, as Americans, let us all believe in our Constitution, in the rule of law, and in the bedrock of principles which inform our rights and responsibilities as a nation. We have a right to defend ourselves, but no right to wage aggressive war. Our obligation as citizens is not to be a member of the Democratic, Republican or an independent party, but to be a party to the truth.

I am concerned that once again, in the name of humanity, an inhumane act of war is about to be committed against the people of a distant land, compounding their tragedy; in the name of security, an attack will be launched which will make us all less secure; and in the name of the United States, in our name, the destructive power of war will be unleashed based on the hubris of exceptionalism which, left untamed, will destroy our own nation.

I will discuss what must be done in our next communication.

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Re: So Obama is saying that it will be a "limited response" now
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2013, 03:31:27 AM »
Today we are poised to engage in war against Syria with such a flimsy case being made to attempt to justify an attack, it could only be the product of cynicism and willful misrepresentation in the cause of war and a callous disregard for our true national interest.
yea, this, nothing else matters.  this is true right now....  Shame on those few pushing for this strike and many before the absolute facts are known.  There is absolutely no national interest at stake or dire national threat. We have absolutely no business engaging in this now.  I expect better from out leadership and this kind of action is nothing but pathetic bullshit.

And just maybe, JUST FUCKING MAYBE,... these people would not have been killed in this attack if we were not instigating and supplying in the first place.  Whoever did this, for whatever reason, it probably wouldn't have happened without the entire conflict being promoted and supported from the outside from the start.

And there is still no evidence that Assad wanted that attack to happen.  There's every indication it happened without those closest to him knowing about it.  And he just has absolutely no strategic interest at this time to use those weapons.  Hell there are articles being written all over baffled at why Assad would launch a chemical attack at this time; because they know as well as Assad knew that doing so would bring forth this very response which is not in his strategic interest.  Not the way he would win.

It makes no sense?  He's played smart until now and he just up and said fuck it one day?  nooooo...  Assad didn't give this order... no way... ::)  A double cross or operation within maybe but I just don't see Assad at this point doing that intentionally.  It would be like gassing your own queen and shooting your last rook in the head for no reason, almost just up and tipping your king without cause.

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Re: So Obama is saying that it will be a "limited response" now
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Obama Goes Golfing [After delivering a statement on Syria this afternoon, Barack Obama jumped....]
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Posted on August 31, 2013, 4:33:03 PM EDT by Sub-Driver

Obama Goes Golfing 3:09 PM, Aug 31, 2013 • By DANIEL HALPER

After delivering a statement on Syria this afternoon, Barack Obama jumped in the presidential limo and hit the links. Via an NBC reporter:

From the pool: Obama and Biden are now playing golf.

— Carrie Dann (@CarrieNBCNews) August 31, 2013

UPDATE: Via the pool report:

"Potus arrived at fort belvoir at 3pm to pay golf with VP Biden, Marvin Nicholson and Walter Nicholson."

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Re: So Obama is saying that it will be a "limited response" now
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2013, 04:33:45 PM »
I love the way Obama insinuates that he is seeking international consensus by asking Congress to vote on this.

This guy is as fake as the thirty-three cent coin.

I used to be a hardcore democrat but seeing and hearing so many hypocrites per square mile makes me want to bury my head in the sand.

My God, what a disgrace!

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Re: So Obama is saying that it will be a "limited response" now
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2013, 04:44:32 PM »
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FACT: Syria is not an imminent threat to the United States[...]

Well, when people close to Al-Assad said in public something along the lines of "if the US attacks Syria, this will ignite the entire Middle East" they kind of bought a one-way ticket to assured Ass-whoopin-land.

You don't call out the world's only superpower and expect them to shrug it off.

In a duel, if you draw your sword and drop it, you're dead.

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Re: So Obama is saying that it will be a "limited response" now
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2013, 05:12:33 PM »
Well, when people close to Al-Assad said in public something along the lines of "if the US attacks Syria, this will ignite the entire Middle East" they kind of bought a one-way ticket to assured Ass-whoopin-land.

You don't call out the world's only superpower and expect them to shrug it off.

In a duel, if you draw your sword and drop it, you're dead.

Syria won't go down without a fight.  A few days of strikes won't do it.  And if Obama does go in and goes in hard, he risks Putin stepping into it, along with a more prominent response from Iran, who is no slouch either.  Iran is certainly no Iraq.  This situation can either be diffused, or if mishandled, lead to WWIII.  

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Re: So Obama is saying that it will be a "limited response" now
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2013, 05:45:27 PM »
Syria won't go down without a fight.  A few days of strikes won't do it.  And if Obama does go in and goes in hard, he risks Putin stepping into it, along with a more prominent response from Iran, who is no slouch either.  Iran is certainly no Iraq.  This situation can either be diffused, or if mishandled, lead to WWIII.  

You think Russia wants to start WW3 for Assad ???

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Re: So Obama is saying that it will be a "limited response" now
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2013, 09:06:29 PM »
You think Russia wants to start WW3 for Assad ???

Not at all.  However, invariably a line in the sand might get drawn, if the colonial invasions don't stop.  Russia and the States have been at odds for some time over U.S encroachment with a so called missile defense shield, which is thought to be more of an offensive first strike maneuver.  Added to that, Medvedev is said to have been betrayed by Obama when Gadhafi was killed in cold blood in front of the world, after Russia had secured safe passage for him.  Russia was not in favor of the Libya bombing campaign in the first place.  I'm not sure Putin will sit idly by to watch Syria see the same fate as Libya.

Russia is part of the BRIC nations, which have been seeking to trade in local currencies, if they aren't already, which challenges U.S dollar hegemony.  Something the U.S frowns upon, just look at Gadhafi and Saddam Hussein as examples of what happens when the dollar gets challenged.

This is a dangerous game of chicken.  Putin is an intelligent man, but at what point does he make his own "Red Line", being that both Syria and Iran are in its sphere of interest.  The world has watched the U.S invade and destroy countries and kill people in the millions under false pretenses for decades.  I can't see that trend being tolerated indefinitely.  All empires come to an end, and so too will that of the U.S.  The U.S economy is already cracking, soon to break completely.  Another costly conflict could be the proverbial straw.  One can only hope that cooler heads finally prevail, but if history is any indication, it seems unlikely.  

There is also the saber rattling on the part of Israel to attack Iran, which is also connected to the Syrian conflict, as Syria and Iran have defense treaties with one another.  Where China sits in the whole scheme of things is also something to consider.  There are a lot of facets to this conflict, with some big players, that could get ugly quickly.  

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Re: So Obama is saying that it will be a "limited response" now
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2013, 11:17:20 PM »
obama folded here after a stupid statement.  But really, he's POTUS, there are always going to be ongoing things to deal with... and it's a job.  An important one, but it's a job.

We don't fault a teacher for going home and swimming in her pool on a saturday afternoon while she's in the midst of trying to turn around lagging test scores in 9 weeks.

We don't fault an NFL player for resting all day Monday, even if his team lost on Sunday.  half do, I'm told - Every week!

We don't fault a construction worker that has a few beers with his friends at the bowling alley on Sat night, even though the bridge he's working on is taking 8 weeks instead of 6 to complete.

So seriously, why are we angry that Obama is taking a break on a sat afternoon from HIS JOB to enjoy a round of golf?  He surely works more than 40 hours a week - if he only worked 40, he'd have all day Sat to play golf without being hated on by 50 mil people.  

Presidentin' is a job.  An important one, but it's a job. Do YOU really want the man with the finger on nuke football to be working 24/7 for 8 straight years?  Or isn't it important, whether the job is making burgers, cracking down on hookers, ,or making war decisions, for the person to TAKE A BREAK for a few hours on a saturday to rest brain, central nervous system, and really just chill out for a few?

PLUS, ,given the FACT that everything obama touches turns to cat shit... isn't it better for america if Obama is golfing SIX DAYS A WEEK?  If he's on the links, he's not banning criminals from starting corporations to buy guns.  He's playing golf, not stealing our freedoms.  Which do you want?

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Re: So Obama is saying that it will be a "limited response" now
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2013, 05:31:43 AM »
^^^
man that was one of your longer moral equivilency posts there 240, kudos you fuck stick

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Re: So Obama is saying that it will be a "limited response" now
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2013, 05:47:32 AM »
^^^
man that was one of your longer moral equivilency posts there 240, kudos you fuck stick

^^^
thanks tony. 


Do you think presidents should be allowed to take breaks for exercise, vacation or golf also?

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Re: So Obama is saying that it will be a "limited response" now
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2013, 05:52:41 AM »
You think Russia wants to start WW3 for Assad ???

Exactly...Putin knows his military is no match for the United States.....exactly HOW would he get Russian forces into the region anyway???...and how would he support them?....NO WAY Russia wants any type of military confrontation with the U.S....Russia would never recover from the humiliation of a good old-fashioned ass-kicking

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Re: So Obama is saying that it will be a "limited response" now
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2013, 05:54:02 AM »
Not at all.  However, invariably a line in the sand might get drawn, if the colonial invasions don't stop.  Russia and the States have been at odds for some time over U.S encroachment with a so called missile defense shield, which is thought to be more of an offensive first strike maneuver.  Added to that, Medvedev is said to have been betrayed by Obama when Gadhafi was killed in cold blood in front of the world, after Russia had secured safe passage for him.  Russia was not in favor of the Libya bombing campaign in the first place.  I'm not sure Putin will sit idly by to watch Syria see the same fate as Libya.

Russia is part of the BRIC nations, which have been seeking to trade in local currencies, if they aren't already, which challenges U.S dollar hegemony.  Something the U.S frowns upon, just look at Gadhafi and Saddam Hussein as examples of what happens when the dollar gets challenged.

This is a dangerous game of chicken.  Putin is an intelligent man, but at what point does he make his own "Red Line", being that both Syria and Iran are in its sphere of interest.  The world has watched the U.S invade and destroy countries and kill people in the millions under false pretenses for decades.  I can't see that trend being tolerated indefinitely.  All empires come to an end, and so too will that of the U.S.  The U.S economy is already cracking, soon to break completely.  Another costly conflict could be the proverbial straw.  One can only hope that cooler heads finally prevail, but if history is any indication, it seems unlikely.  

There is also the saber rattling on the part of Israel to attack Iran, which is also connected to the Syrian conflict, as Syria and Iran have defense treaties with one another.  Where China sits in the whole scheme of things is also something to consider.  There are a lot of facets to this conflict, with some big players, that could get ugly quickly.  

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Re: So Obama is saying that it will be a "limited response" now
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2013, 06:02:23 AM »
Exactly...Putin knows his military is no match for the United States.....exactly HOW would he get Russian forces into the region anyway???...and how would he support them?....NO WAY Russia wants any type of military confrontation with the U.S....Russia would never recover from the humiliation of a good old-fashioned ass-kicking

Typical arrogance.  When's the last time the U.S won a war?  Vietnam = fail.  Iraq was also a failure, as was the Afghan war.  What makes you think going against the big dogs will be a cake walk?  Having the most hi-tech toys is not an assurance that the U.S would steam roll over any military in the world.  Put ground troops in Syria and see what happens.  

And Russia already has a fleet in the Mediterranean off the coast of Syria, so why should it be an issue to get into the region as you allege?  It wouldn't be just Russia alone either, if this breaks wide open.  

Who is going to finance further conflicts for the U.S?  You think that China or others will keep lending money for more illegal wars? You can have a garage full of Ferraris, but they aren't much good if you can't borrow money to fill the tank. 

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Re: So Obama is saying that it will be a "limited response" now
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2013, 06:15:49 AM »
Typical arrogance.  When's the last time the U.S won a war?  Vietnam = fail.  Iraq was also a failure, as was the Afghan war.  What makes you think going against the big dogs will be a cake walk?  Having the most hi-tech toys is not an assurance that the U.S would steam roll over any military in the world.  Put ground troops in Syria and see what happens.  

And Russia already has a fleet in the Mediterranean off the coast of Syria, so why should it be an issue to get into the region as you allege?  It wouldn't be just Russia alone either, if this breaks wide open.  

Andreisafag would defend obama sending him and other blacks into captivity in the Bronx Zoo - FACT

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Re: So Obama is saying that it will be a "limited response" now
« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2013, 03:52:45 AM »
Andreisafag would defend obama sending him and other blacks into captivity in the Bronx Zoo - FACT

like I said before...good to see thet the name changes but you still remain the same old idiot...once the cameras were turned off you reverted right back to your old self....typical hypocrisy

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Re: So Obama is saying that it will be a "limited response" now
« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2013, 04:28:19 AM »
like I said before...good to see thet the name changes but you still remain the same old idiot...once the cameras were turned off you reverted right back to your old self....typical hypocrisy


So you support obamas war - typical of a Obama cultist.

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Re: So Obama is saying that it will be a "limited response" now
« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2013, 05:28:59 AM »
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Re: So Obama is saying that it will be a "limited response" now
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2013, 05:37:01 AM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/06/world/middleeast/pentagon-is-ordered-to-expand-potential-targets-in-syria-with-a-focus-on-forces.html?_r=0


Hugo - check this out.   Its already expanding before it even started. 
I feel teh stupid reading this.  Basically, they want to destroy everything but the chemical weapons. The stupid here is obviously it doesn't take very much to use these weapons.  At best they will remove Syria's capability to launch these weapons over a good distance but that wasn't the fucking issue was it lol... 

Actually, at best, we are lucky to get out of this without a larger conflict developing.  And for what?  To back "global norms" on chemical weapons?  That's what we're going to start a potential world war over?  Yea, no thanks.  They seem hell bent on it but I don't see anything here in OUR interest.

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Re: So Obama is saying that it will be a "limited response" now
« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2013, 05:56:22 AM »
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Report-US-strike-on-Syria-to-be-significantly-larger-than-expected-325389


Obama is a filthy communist lying sack of shit.

I warned everyone for how long? 

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Re: So Obama is saying that it will be a "limited response" now
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2013, 06:02:08 AM »
Everything Obama touches goes down the toilet, everything he does is for purely political reasons. He promised to "transform" America, apparently into a weaker, poorer, less confident and less moral version of itself, and is succeeding brilliantly. Whatever he does now it will be out of weakness and irresolution and America will look weak to the rest of the world. I think the main reason Obama has vacillated until now is he can't make up his mind which group of Islamists to appease. Al Qaeda on one hand and Hezbollah on the other, Sunni or Shiite, that is his quandary. There is no reason to trust his motives or his judgement and certainly no reason to kill anyone, most especially an American soldier, for the sake of his nonexistent credibility. Help the refugees where we can but remember that, when all is said and done, even they will be rioting in the streets yelling "Death to America."

Via WSJ

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Re: So Obama is saying that it will be a "limited response" now
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2013, 07:20:46 AM »
BREAKING: Russia will help Syria in case of foreign military assault - Putin
RT ^  | September 6, 2013

Posted on Friday, September 06, 2013 9:51:23 AM by maggief

Headlines only:

BREAKING: Russia will help #Syria in case of foreign military assault - Putin http://on.rt.com/0yh5ju

DETAILS: Russia sells weapons to #Syria, we have strong economic ties. Syria is our strategic partner - Putin http://on.rt.com/0yh5ju


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