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The reason why you suffer and die
« on: September 09, 2013, 01:09:15 PM »
Humans always ask why does god allow them to suffer, humans are not even able to use the full capacity of their brains so i will try to be simple as possible, pain and suffering helps you to develop an iron will and make you strong, as you saw that all the great heros of the bible overcame great suffering, believing in god helps you to handle the pain,

 Nothing in the universe goes to waste when die your flesh provide food for the maggots and you go back to the dirt you can call it recycle, and your energy goes into the universe to be reformed, I could tell you guys other things but i dont think your human brain could grasp it.

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Re: The reason why you suffer and die
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2013, 01:11:30 PM »
Humans always ask why does god allow them to suffer, humans are not even able to use the full capacity of their brains so i will try to be simple as possible, pain and suffering helps you to develop an iron will and make you strong, as you saw that all the great heros of the bible overcame great suffering, believing in god helps you to handle the pain,

 Nothing in the universe goes to waste when die your flesh provide food for the maggots and you go back to the dirt you can call it recycle, and your energy goes into the universe to be reformed, I could tell you guys other things but i dont think your human brain could grasp it.

There is no energy left when you die. You're just fucking gone.

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Re: The reason why you suffer and die
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2013, 01:14:08 PM »
There is no energy left when you die. You're just fucking gone.

You are on the right track, energy leaves your body when you die but remember energy cannot be destroyed so it will be recycled by the universe.

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Re: The reason why you suffer and die
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2013, 01:19:32 PM »
Worst thread ever.
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Re: The reason why you suffer and die
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2013, 01:20:23 PM »
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Re: The reason why you suffer and die
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2013, 01:20:53 PM »
Humans are so self centered that they make up a billion bullshit stories about their lives when they die. They can't accept the fact that they just become pig feed when dead.  They create this whole idea of heaven to make themselves feel more important

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Re: The reason why you suffer and die
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2013, 01:25:10 PM »
Humans always ask why does god allow them to suffer, humans are not even able to use the full capacity of their brains so i will try to be simple as possible, pain and suffering helps you to develop an iron will and make you strong, as you saw that all the great heros of the bible overcame great suffering, believing in god helps you to handle the pain,

 Nothing in the universe goes to waste when die your flesh provide food for the maggots and you go back to the dirt you can call it recycle, and your energy goes into the universe to be reformed, I could tell you guys other things but i dont think your human brain could grasp it.


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Re: The reason why you suffer and die
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2013, 01:28:59 PM »
Humans are so self centered that they make up a billion bullshit stories about their lives when they die. They can't accept the fact that they just become pig feed when dead.  They create this whole idea of heaven to make themselves feel more important

because you say it is a fact, ok bro, speculation at best, kind of hypocrite of you saying people make up shit and then you just made up shit too by stating something you think is a fact.

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Re: The reason why you suffer and die
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2013, 01:31:16 PM »
because you say it is a fact, ok bro, speculation at best, kind of hypocrite of you saying people make up shit and then you just made up shit too by stating something you think is a fact.

Oh so your bible is fact.  BWAHAHAHA.  give me a fucking break.  All religions are based on faith.  Which means just believe the lies they tell you.

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Re: The reason why you suffer and die
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2013, 01:36:50 PM »
Oh so your bible is fact.  BWAHAHAHA.  give me a fucking break.  All religions are based on faith.  Which means just believe the lies they tell you.
I Did not state it was a fact did I.  It is a faith I have and yes speculation as well but to claim as a fact that you know something like you just did is being a fucken hypocrite.

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Re: The reason why you suffer and die
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2013, 01:37:36 PM »
because you say it is a fact, ok bro, speculation at best, kind of hypocrite of you saying people make up shit and then you just made up shit too by stating something you think is a fact.

You where given a gift call common sense its a shame that you dont use it. if you where able to use 100 percent of your brain you would be able to move things with your mind and feel like you are a god but you still would be nothing in the universe, there are memories and pain in your brain from past lives its a pity you cannot remember them.

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Re: The reason why you suffer and die
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2013, 01:39:30 PM »
You where given a gift call common sense its a shame that you dont use it. if you where able to use 100 percent of your brain you would be able to move things with your mind and feel like you are a god but you still would be nothing in the universe, there are memories and pain in your brain from past lives its a pity you cannot remember them.

Nonsense.

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Re: The reason why you suffer and die
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2013, 01:39:56 PM »
Layne Norton says one must sacrifice, in order to WIN.

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Re: The reason why you suffer and die
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2013, 01:40:32 PM »
the Trainer you should be talking so that you include yourself in the equation when saying humans are not using all there latent power etc, the way you talk it is as if you are above and already living a fully activated and realized life, I doubt it.

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Re: The reason why you suffer and die
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2013, 01:41:15 PM »
I Did not state it was a fact did I.  It is a faith I have and yes speculation as well but to claim as a fact that you know something like you just did is being a fucken hypocrite.

There are more facts that lead to death being the end there are facts about an afterlife. 

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Re: The reason why you suffer and die
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2013, 01:42:31 PM »
You where given a gift call common sense its a shame that you dont use it. if you where able to use 100 percent of your brain you would be able to move things with your mind and feel like you are a god but you still would be nothing in the universe, there are memories and pain in your brain from past lives its a pity you cannot remember them.
its a shame you don't use common sense either, charging people to text you, that is the biggest loser fucken scumbag POS move since lou asking for his 20 dollars for pics  ;)

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Re: The reason why you suffer and die
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2013, 01:43:49 PM »
There are more facts that lead to death being the end there are facts about an afterlife. 
from your perspective maybe, but reality is no one can claim to know.

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Re: The reason why you suffer and die
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2013, 01:51:21 PM »
Why is it so hard for some people to believe in God? The answers would probably be linked to personal, social, and possibly some intellectual reasons. Let’s explore this in more detail…

What is the reasoning that leads to belief in God? When talking to an atheist, trying to prove the existence of God using the Bible will not be considered a valid argument. Sometimes, the only way to convince a person of God’s existence is through pure logic. How would one respond to an atheist’s claim that there is no God? A belief in God is a process based on three types of reasons.
1) Intellectual Reasons

This line of reasoning is based on a set of facts about God you believe to be true. If you investigate these facts and find the evidence compelling, you believe He exists. If the evidence is found wanting, you either disbelieve or take on an agnostic1 worldview.
2) Personal Reasons

A person does not come to a belief in God by purely intellectual reasoning. Such belief is also a very personal one and these reasons vary. Some people have bad experiences and tragedies in their life as well as difficulties and disappointments. Some people will take these experiences and say, “I really need God in my life. I can’t get through this alone and I need help beyond my own understanding.”

Others will take these same set of circumstances and say either “I don’t need a God who lets something like this happen,” or “If there really was a God, He wouldn’t have let this happen.” Belief in God is a very personal experience and that belief (or disbelief) is seen through the lens of one’s own experience.
3) Social Reasons

There is a field study called “The Sociology of Knowledge” popularized by Karl Mannheim (1893-1947), a professor of sociology and economics at the University of Frankfurt. Mannheim posited that one tends to believe in the same things as people whom you want to befriend. These are people that you need, are dependent on, or are in a group you want to be associated with. A simpler way to say it is “peer pressure.” The group’s beliefs seem to be more reasonable than those people with whom you do not want to be associated.

The most obvious example of this is the common problem of raising children in a Christian home. They read their Bible; they go to church and Sunday school. Then they are off on their own, either in their teen years at home or off to college. Many will fall in with the “wrong crowd.” If they do not have a strong Christian background and really know Christ and know why Christ is our Redeemer, they can become lost.

They find that their “new friends” may not have the same value system they do and may lose their faith in God.2 Conversely, if these same people find friends with their same worldview, the same love of God, their faith can be reinforced. It is much easier to go along with the temper of one’s peer group than to set the tone for the group. As evangelist Ben Courson once put it, “It is harder to be a thermostat than a thermometer.” Belief or non-belief in God cannot be reduced to just one of these factors. All three factors are in play.
Why Believe in God?

Bringing a person to a belief is a process. This process consists of three steps:

    It takes as much faith to not believe in God as it does to believe in God.
    It takes more of a leap of faith in the dark to disbelieve in God than to believe in God.
    While one can reason to a point of probability that there is a God, it takes personal commitment to get to know that God exists as a certainty.

If one progresses through these three steps, they can come to know God. In this article, we will explore the first step:
1) It takes as much faith to not believe in God as it does to believe in God.

The following are some of the arguments that are brought up to prove there is no God.
Evil and Suffering

The first one is the argument from evil and suffering. This is the argument: There is senseless evil in the world. Given that pointless evil, there may be a God who’s good but not powerful enough to stop it or there may be a God who’s all-powerful enough but not good enough to want to stop it.

But given evil and suffering in the world there can’t be an all-good and all-powerful God or he would stop it and therefore the God of the Bible cannot exist.

One of the leading philosophers of today is William Alston of Syracuse University who recently wrote that the effort to demonstrate that evil disproves the existence of God “is now acknowledged on (almost) all sides to be completely bankrupt.”

When you say there can’t be a God because of all the pointless evil in the world, here is the question, “How do you know it is pointless?”

The only answer is that the reason is not apparent. So the premise is, “If one cannot think of a good reason for God to allow suffering to continue, there can’t be any.” That means that if you have a God that is big enough to be mad at for evil and suffering, then you have a God that is powerful enough to allow evil and suffering to continue. You can’t have it both ways.

There are people that have had terrible things happen to them in their life and they turned from God. At the same time, there are many people who had every bit as much suffering and that suffering turned them toward God.

Personal suffering, the experience of suffering, or the philosophical question of suffering do not disprove the existence of God.
The Question of Violence and Oppression in the Name of God

This is also a concept called “The Hitchens Argument” against the reality of God. The argument is as follows: “If there really is a God, how could his believers have done so much evil in the history of the world?”

The answer to that lies not in the reality of God, but in the human heart. There must be something in Man that is so perverse, so prone to violence and oppression that it can actually twist any worldview, any philosophy, and any state of belief with regard to God into violence.

Japanese militarism of World War II had its roots in Buddhism and Shintoism. From Christianity came everything from the Crusades of the 11th and 12th century to people of today shooting abortion doctors. Out of Islam comes global terrorism.

However, out of atheism came Stalin, the ovens of Dachau, Mao’s “Great Leap Forward,” and the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.

There is a Polish poet, Czesław Miłosz, who wrote “The Discreet Charms of Nihilism.”2 In it he writes that if you believe there is a God, it is fairly easy to twist that belief into violence because one can shape life and morals according to one’s own personal belief without any accountability. A person could say, “I have the truth; you don’t” and “I’m a better person; you are an inferior person” and thus impose the “superior” person’s values, even at the point of a gun.

Ultimately, what does this mean in terms of a belief in God? It means the argument ends in a tie. It does not disprove God nor does it disprove atheism. The theist could say, “Look at Stalin.” The atheist could say, “Look at Christianity; look at the Crusades.” This particular argument proves nothing except the natural depravity of the human heart. Augustine of Hippo (354–430 a.d.) offered the following explanation:

    Evil is the absence of good, in the same way as darkness is the absence of light. It is possible for something created good to diminish in goodness, to become corrupted. Evil crept in when creatures endowed with free will—the angels, lesser spirits (which became demons) and human beings—turned away from higher or more complete goods, and chose lesser ones. It is arguable that Adam (and Satan) did not just choose merely “lesser goods” but fundamental evils.3

Augustine argued that God allowed evil to come, so that in the end a greater good may prevail. He also wrote that evil was finite—limited and ultimately to be overcome, and that good was infinite (as God is to reign in heaven—the eternal city of God).

Therefore, God did not cause sin to happen, but when sin came into the world, He chose to allow it to occur so that a greater good could emerge. What appears to be evil at first may be seen as a path toward a greater good.

The death of Christ on the cross was an evil, but the ultimate good—the triumph of salvation—came out of it.

Atheists will admit the existence of good, altruism, philanthropy, etc. is a problem for their worldview, because it does not make evolutionary sense as it would if chance creation and natural selection were true. Atheists are left with the reality of evil.

Next month we will explore the last two steps of the process of bringing a person to belief through reason: 2) It takes more of a leap of faith in the dark to disbelieve in God than to believe in God; and, 3) While one can reason to a point of probability that there is a God, it takes personal commitment to get to know that God exists as a certainty.

http://www.khouse.org/articles/2012/1055

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Re: The reason why you suffer and die
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2013, 01:56:49 PM »
its a shame you don't use common sense either, charging people to text you, that is the biggest loser fucken scumbag POS move since lou asking for his 20 dollars for pics  ;)

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Actually you are wrong I am using common sense and being smart charging money for every service that I offer, nothing in this life is free even when you are dead it cost a lot of money to bury you.

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Re: The reason why you suffer and die
« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2013, 02:02:53 PM »
the Trainer you should be talking so that you include yourself in the equation when saying humans are not using all there latent power etc, the way you talk it is as if you are above and already living a fully activated and realized life, I doubt it.

I am thinking like a god and not like a human, humans can sometimes be weak and afraid and when somebody dies they cry out that god is wicked and not understanding that everything is recycled in the universe and nothing goes to waste.

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Re: The reason why you suffer and die
« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2013, 02:04:52 PM »
Humans are so self centered that they make up a billion bullshit stories about their lives when they die. They can't accept the fact that they just become pig feed when dead.  They create this whole idea of heaven to make themselves feel more important


Correct. Humans in general are dirty apes with a penchant for killing animals and destroying nature from the ground up while believing they stand high above it.

When it comes to their own lives they need a lot of social reassurance that they are worth something. Death and other subjects are handled by religion, booze or other medicines.

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Re: The reason why you suffer and die
« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2013, 02:08:29 PM »
I agree with what you say there though have you realized this with your whole being and not just accepted it on a mental level?

All wise spiritual teachers would always insist on direct experience over conceptual understanding, something which can take many years of meditation and spiritual maturation.

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Re: The reason why you suffer and die
« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2013, 02:10:55 PM »
Actually you are wrong I am using common sense and being smart charging money for every service that I offer, nothing in this life is free even when you are dead it cost a lot of money to bury you.
you are being a shameless asshole nickling and diming people

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Re: The reason why you suffer and die
« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2013, 02:17:27 PM »
It seems to me humans suffer because they developed consciousness, which was a mistake of nature, some type of maladaptation.

And it seems to me all religion flows from the fear of death. We simply can't accept there's no purpose, no meaning to this circus we call life.

Like the saying goes, "there's no atheists in foxholes". Religion and belief in God is based on fear. It's all really a cruel joke, so absurd, all the religions I mean.

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Re: The reason why you suffer and die
« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2013, 02:17:50 PM »
you are being a shameless asshole nickling and diming people

When the big corporations like apple and microsoft nickle and dime people and charge for every extra accessories you shut up and buy it, but just because i am a dude trying to make a living all of a sudden i am an asshole, like I said before use your commonsense.