spring 12w cycle advice eeded

[digitarious]

 Hi im planning to do the following 12week cycle:

Boldenone: week 1-12(all cycle) 600mg (or maybe 800mg?need advice on this)
Winstrol: week 1-12(all cycle) inject every other day
Cytomel T3: week 1-3 and week 9-11 tapering up to 100mgand tapering down
Clenbuterol:week 5-7
Xenical:week 1-12: 2 pills per day with meals
Masteron: week 8-12 200mg every 3 days

Goal is: to lower fat the the minimum in coperation with proper diet and workout and increase quality muscle
that will not be lost post cycle

you will tellme to add test but it has very bad effect on my psychology(VERY BAD)so dont wanna use it

So what do you think of it?should i change somthing?feel free to tell me
Waiting for your comments guys
thanks a lot

[muscle19]

if u are against using ANY during the cycle, than thats ur choice, i personally will always use test in every cycle that i do, but that just me. i get the impression that this is not ur fist cycle, correct? if its isnt, i would recommend increasing the eq to 800mg since it is ur main roid. with the clen, run it fromm start to end at 2wks on 2wks off, that way u can get the full effect of it. start out at 40mcg and work ur way up each day till u find a happy medium (so the sides are too bad). for the masteron i would use it for the entire cycle at 50-100mg ed or eod. how much winny r u plannin on using? and do u have a pct lined up?


muscle

[Loomis]

12 weeks of winstrol is nuts.

[muscle19]

yeah , i forgot about that i would use it for the last 6 wks of ur cycle.


muscle

[DIVISION]

Test is the base for every cycle.

I'm afraid I cannot authorize your cycle.....

If you run this cycle as is, you will lose fat, but there is no guarantee of significant post cycle gains.

If it's about fat loss you can do that without using AAS.

There's nothing more I can do for you.




DIV

[muscle19]

even though i already posted, i do feel the same way, a cycle is not a cycle ( to me atleast) without test in there somewhere, i LOVE test and could not even think about what a  cycle would be without it, a very powerful hormone.


muscle

[digitarious]

Why do you think that using winstrol inj (not oral) the whole 12weeks is nuts?
first time i hear this.

Also the masteron i have is homemade my buddy is a homebrewer its 200mg/ml how can i use it?
Test i used it in the past and messed my head a lot: heavy depression,suicidal,needed shrink
also apetite loss and no mood to goto gym
after the cycle all was ok.So test doesnt work for me.

Should i add some other steroid to the mix for more quality lean muscle like deca or primobolan and how?(except test of course)

Thanks a lot
merry christmass guys

[Luv2Hurt]

Test i used it in the past and messed my head a lot: heavy depression,suicidal,needed shrink
also apetite loss and no mood to goto gym
after the cycle all was ok.So test doesnt work for me.

Are you sure it is the test causing this?  This does not sound right. 

[digitarious]

oh yeah i damn sure about it.Test messed me up twice.
No test for me.

So what do you think about the cycle do you agree should i change sthing add maybe something else?
also how should i use clen and for how long?

[Luv2Hurt]

I think the t3 and clen is a bit much.  Also what is Xenical for?  I cant give advise on clen not enough experiance with it, sorry.

You never said how much winstrol EOD?  Yes and I agree with the other guy thats too long on it, can you do it yes.

Im sure you will get some results from this, but I dont like it.  I agree with the other posters here, cant authorize this cycle.  Your kind of on your own, keep us updated on how it goes.

[mem]

Test i used it in the past and messed my head a lot: heavy depression,suicidal,needed shrink
also appetite loss and no mood to goto gym after the cycle all was ok.So test doesn't work for me.

Sounds  m o r e  like an estrogen funk to me. Unfortunately, using test, in turn IS driving estrogen levels
even higher and (likely) NOT using an estrogen blocker or (even better) using an aromat(izing)ase inhibitor,
like Arimidex will prevent this from happening. I am also very sensitive to (increased) estrogen levels . . .

And more effectively planning of PCT will get you on track after the program . . . limiting this potential.

Test will  N O T  by itself cause the symptoms that you suggest, however the
subsequent elevation of Estrogen  much  m o r e  l i k e l y  the culprit.

Eliminating test would principally remove certain benefits that you desire.
Without it you will notice (unfavorable) imbalance in your system.

Best of luck in your efforts . . .

[digitarious]

HI
thanks for your interest and for your opinions
i want to clear what i think a little bit:
-i will use boldenone 800mgs first 2months 600mgs last month (or maybe 800mg whole cycle need advice on this)
-Clen will be used the first 4 weeks and later on the last 8weeks ill use T3
-Winstrol depot i plan to use it EOD
Do you think its better first 6 weeks to use Primobolan(around)600mg and the last 6 use winstrol if 12 weeks straight is too much for winstrol i reeally need an opinion on this.

Im just trying to transform a first idea to something that ll give me a max effect on fat loss (rip) and maintain or increase lean muscle mass with fewest water and make me look good on summer.
Of course i will accompany this with hard work at gym and proper nutricion.

Waiting your opinions.Thank you very much

[R.A.M.]

Test is a must. 

[muscle19]

honestly,  i would run the eq at the same amount or 1000 all the way through.
i would run the primo all the way through at what u suggested
check my post above, it will tell u how to use the clen
use the winny 50mg ed for the last 6 wks. again im still a believer that every cycle should consist of test but since u feel this way about test, i will help out as much as possible.


muscle

[digitarious]

muscle thank you a lot for answering and helping

its first time i ll use bold so i think its better to stick to 800 and see what happens but i noted your opinion
primo the whole 12 weeks its way too expensive for me.Maybe ill use it first 6 weeks

[muscle19]

primo the whole 12 weeks its way too expensive for me.Maybe ill use it first 6 weeks

thats what i was thinking, i would cut it back to 6-8wks (8 if u can afford it). i hope this cycle works out and keep me up through PM on ur progress, im reall interested on how it will work. good luck with it bro!

[DIVISION]

Test i used it in the past and messed my head a lot: heavy depression,suicidal,needed shrink
also apetite loss and no mood to goto gym

^That sounds Dead Wrong.

Test would not cause these symptoms, even if you weren't using an anti-aromatase.

It simply doesn't sound possible.

Your body naturally produces it's own test, so I find it extremely unlikely that you'd be having these sides from exogenous testosterone.

Something is missing from your explanation.




DIV

[knny187]

^That sounds Dead Wrong.

Test would not cause these symptoms, even if you weren't using an anti-aromatase.

It simply doesn't sound possible.

Your body naturally produces it's own test, so I find it extremely unlikely that you'd be having these sides from exogenous testosterone.

Something is missing from your explanation.




DIV

Is this when he's "on" or "off" the test?

He doesn't seem very clear about that.

[DIVISION]

Is this when he's "on" or "off" the test?

He doesn't seem very clear about that.

When he's "on".

That's why it's dead wrong.





DIV

[knny187]

When he's "on".

That's why it's dead wrong.





DIV

I'll agree with that.

[mem]

   uncle . . .