True bro back in the day, 2007 say, things were good. There were good sources to trust (EM and others). Today I have no clue (for orals). I'm hesitant buying "HG" even because of fakes, even a "good" source might get bunk (I also find it odd when a source carries only one product from a line, ex: BD Thai Yellows, and nothing else from BD, just bunch of random HG products). Hence why I'm asking what is good and trusted right now (because ug batches vary). Searching and searching kills you, not to mention OLM / PM you can't believe what they say because bad reviews get deleted.