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Author Topic: California - Gov. Moon Baby approves drivers licenses for illegals  (Read 3422 times)
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« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2013, 10:58:00 AM »

said on a board dedicated to a sport that requires you to break federal law to be able to compete.

There are just laws and unjust laws.  Immigration laws are unjust and arbitrary.

to put it another way, if you've ever taken steroids or done any recreational drugs, then you're a hypocrite

Bullshit, the difference is if you use steroids it affects no one but yourself...whereas all these programs pandering to the hordes of illegals all come at the expense of the american taxpayer.
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« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2013, 11:00:49 AM »

I love the way simpletons like u blame the "progressive left" for illegal immigration. Don't u realize it's the agribusiness, meat packing, and similar interests who are the real force behind continuing to allow "illegal" immigration?

Nobody gives a shit about political ideology. It's all about money you retard.



Bullshit, the difference is if you use steroids it affects no one but yourself...whereas all these programs pandering to the hordes of illegals all come at the expense of the american taxpayer.

Both of these statements are absolutely true.
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« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2013, 11:02:37 AM »

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« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2013, 11:11:16 AM »

 It's a good point that the parents work hard for very little money - the only problem with is the ninos

 If the kids didn't get citizenship and automatic benefits (the cost of which is 40K+ each a year) then it would be all good. Unfortunately the cost of raising the kids totally offsets the benefit of cheap labor but the rich people get subsidized maids and corporations get tax subsidized cheap labor.

 As someone else mentioned those same kids grow up with their parents educational attainment level, but not their work ethic. So you end up with millions of young people with HS education at best but the entitled American mentality of not wanting to work hard

and this is the group that will save SS, according to the idiots in charge.

The far left loves them because they vote Dem by default. The reps love them for the 'cheap' labor, the irony is that this group is going to destroy the Rep party in the next decade. Once texas goes blue it's all over for the NeoCons
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« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2013, 11:16:58 AM »

Exactly what does bringing in a million plus legal and illegal immigrants, the vast majority of which are unskilled and uneducated, do for our nation?

- Increased stresses on our power grid, forcing us to burn more fossil fuels/deplete more fresh water/increased nuclear waste.

- More fresh water usage, especially throughout the SW. Cities such as Phoenix and Las Vegas are facing severe water shortages.

- Hospitals going bankrupt as persons without insurance are getting treated for free...Doctors and hospitals not getting compemsation for services rendered.

- Drastic demographic changes (which ALWAYS result in mass violence) bring increased crime rates and create large swathes of blight within our cities (as if predominantly black communities arent enough).

- Where is the demand for low wage, low-skilled labor? There isnt any.

- Increased taxes along the board.....more stresses on roadways, public welfare systems, and healthcare. Prepare for 5$ plus prices for gasoline due to tax increases, skyrocketing insurance premiums that will be out of reach for the middle class, and tens of millions more receiving government subsidies.

- More pollution, more crime, bigger divisions of rich and poor, exportation of middle class jobs, less freedoms.....this is what politicians advocating increased immigration and/or amnesty propose to Americans.

Both liberals and conservatives are ignorant of the issue, or do not pay heed to the issue as they each hold to their belief that pandering to a Spansih-speaking populace will net them votes.
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« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2013, 11:19:13 AM »

So why do you suppose they don't, Coach?

I need to rephrase that. It's up to the company for the employee to provide documentation...it's NOT up to the company to see if that documentation is legit. My opinion is that the company should do that as well.
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« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2013, 11:20:34 AM »

It's a good point that the parents work hard for very little money - the only problem with is the ninos

 If the kids didn't get citizenship and automatic benefits (the cost of which is 40K+ each a year) then it would be all good. Unfortunately the cost of raising the kids totally offsets the benefit of cheap labor but the rich people get subsidized maids and corporations get tax subsidized cheap labor.

 As someone else mentioned those same kids grow up with their parents educational attainment level, but not their work ethic. So you end up with millions of young people with HS education at best but the entitled American mentality of not wanting to work hard

and this is the group that will save SS, according to the idiots in charge.

The far left loves them because they vote Dem by default. The reps love them for the 'cheap' labor, the irony is that this group is going to destroy the Rep party in the next decade. Once texas goes blue it's all over for the NeoCons

Tx better better not go blue  Angry
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« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2013, 11:23:21 AM »

Exactly what does bringing in a million plus legal and illegal immigrants, the vast majority of which are unskilled and uneducated, do for our nation?

- Increased stresses on our power grid, forcing us to burn more fossil fuels/deplete more fresh water/increased nuclear waste.

- More fresh water usage, especially throughout the SW. Cities such as Phoenix and Las Vegas are facing severe water shortages.

- Hospitals going bankrupt as persons without insurance are getting treated for free...Doctors and hospitals not getting compemsation for services rendered.

- Drastic demographic changes (which ALWAYS result in mass violence) bring increased crime rates and create large swathes of blight within our cities (as if predominantly black communities arent enough).

- Where is the demand for low wage, low-skilled labor? There isnt any.

- Increased taxes along the board.....more stresses on roadways, public welfare systems, and healthcare. Prepare for 5$ plus prices for gasoline due to tax increases, skyrocketing insurance premiums that will be out of reach for the middle class, and tens of millions more receiving government subsidies.

- More pollution, more crime, bigger divisions of rich and poor, exportation of middle class jobs, less freedoms.....this is what politicians advocating increased immigration and/or amnesty propose to Americans.

Both liberals and conservatives are ignorant of the issue, or do not pay heed to the issue as they each hold to their belief that pandering to a Spansih-speaking populace will net them votes.

Doesn't really do much except give the left more voting power for the next election. They already said it's okay for Illegals to vote so why not drivers licenses as well. It's all about power and doing it anyway they can (because God knows they can't run on issues so let give them free shit) legal but mostly illegal.
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« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2013, 11:24:48 AM »

- Where is the demand for low wage, low-skilled labor? There isnt any.

Wrong. There is an incredible demand for it: agribusiness, meat packing, car washes, domestic help, fast food and restaurant work in general, housekeeping, construction, retail, etc., etc., etc. We're a service economy if u haven't noticed.

Not everyone is working at Google.
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« Reply #34 on: September 13, 2013, 11:25:03 AM »

Not only should they have a license in California, but in all states. It's about time we give the Mexicans even though here illegally some respect. They are hard working and most are good people who don't break any laws.
Except for wanting a better future so they came into the country illegally.

Hahaha this is funny  Grin hard working maybe a couple of generations ago now having as many babies as they can and milking the system like any low life
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« Reply #35 on: September 13, 2013, 11:39:06 AM »

- Where is the demand for low wage, low-skilled labor? There isnt any.

Wrong. There is an incredible demand for it: agribusiness, meat packing, car washes, domestic help, fast food and restaurant work in general, housekeeping, construction, retail, etc., etc., etc. We're a service economy if u haven't noticed.

Not everyone is working at Google.

Half of those are jobs that high school kids do. The others could easily be filled by other AMERICANS who are struggling to find work. The myth that we 'need' millions of immigrants to fill jobs is bullshit...a case can be made for some european countries with negative birth rates and declining populations, but not here.
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« Reply #36 on: September 13, 2013, 11:41:05 AM »

- Where is the demand for low wage, low-skilled labor? There isnt any.

Wrong. There is an incredible demand for it: agribusiness, meat packing, car washes, domestic help, fast food and restaurant work in general, housekeeping, construction, retail, etc., etc., etc. We're a service economy if u haven't noticed.

Not everyone is working at Google.

There is a MISPLACED demand for it. Meatpacking is skilled labor....it takes many months of training alone to be able to consistently separate a cow's four stomachs from the rest of its body, possibly contaminating the meat if failing to do so. Meat cutting provided many middle-class wages to hundreds of thousands of people.

Since when has agriculture alone been unaffected by technological advances?  Pineapples in Hawaii used to be picked by hundreds of Filipinos in the field....now a machine does it. The US does NOT need millions more unskilled laborers picking beans.

Fast food is an industry that does NOT need migrant workers as these jobs can be filled easily enough by students, the jobless, and ex convicts. There are more students per capita out of work then there have been before because 50 year old Jose and Jorge "seek a better life."

The low wage jobs are nowhere near in number enough to warrant hundreds of thousands of illegal hordes pouring over into our borders.
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« Reply #37 on: September 13, 2013, 11:41:38 AM »

I'm convinced the progressive left are the literally the dumbest people on the planet. Way to Fuck up the state even more, assclowns.

you are mexican also why are you shitting on your brothers and sisters asshole.
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« Reply #38 on: September 13, 2013, 11:46:07 AM »

you are mexican also why are you shitting on your brothers and sisters asshole.

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« Reply #39 on: September 13, 2013, 11:51:16 AM »

Why are we to to assume that it's "Mexicans"? Like only "Mexicans" are illegal? Or only "Mexicans" are immigrants who are illegal, in California?

Have you been to California? What, you're thinking maybe wayward Canadians are to blame? Come on, Parker.
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« Reply #40 on: September 13, 2013, 12:10:23 PM »

I need to rephrase that. It's up to the company for the employee to provide documentation...it's NOT up to the company to see if that documentation is legit. My opinion is that the company should do that as well.

Would you say there may be some appearance of collusion between government and companies in this regard?
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« Reply #41 on: September 13, 2013, 12:12:19 PM »

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« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2013, 12:17:04 PM »

Stop giving them jobs and they will stop coming.
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« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2013, 01:33:51 PM »

Stop giving them jobs and they will stop coming.

Them coming isn't my concern. The concern is that our government lets them come without any real due process. If the system we had was enforced I would have no problem. Just come over the right way. Shit, we have signs by the California/Mexico boarder that have an image of mexicans crossing. Like a freaking cattle crossing sign.
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« Reply #44 on: September 13, 2013, 01:35:22 PM »

I like hispanics
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« Reply #45 on: September 13, 2013, 01:35:27 PM »

Them coming isn't my concern. The concern is that our government lets them come without any real due process. If the system we had was enforced I would have no problem. Just come over the right way. Shit, we have signs by the California/Mexico boarder that have an image of mexicans crossing. Like a freaking cattle crossing sign.


yea look mexican to me

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« Reply #46 on: September 13, 2013, 01:49:24 PM »


yea look mexican to me

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« Reply #47 on: September 13, 2013, 01:54:23 PM »

They are hard working honest people for the most part. They fled because of crime and to make a better life. So many in New Jersey are church going people working long hours at manual labor that the average x box players wouldn't touch.

Regarding the driver's license every state has different laws with some having  between reciprocity states. What happens in a lot of states is you have an illegal Mexican driving without a license with no identification what so ever. The local court doesn't want to put them in jail with bond because of a driving infraction like speeding. Naturally like I stated before different states and even different towns have their own policy. So this is the scenario. A cop pulls over a Mexican for speeding and not having a license. His dispatch calls he local court clerk. Either by policy or direct communications with the judge they don't want to jail the guy for speeding. They tell the cop to issue the ticket to what every name and address the Mexican provides. The Mexican flips the ticket on the ground as soon as the cop leaves knowing he gave a completely fictitious identity. Now if you provide a false identity as an American you will be charged with a form of hindering apprehension of course worded according to your state laws. It should be universal in this country if a foreign national is driving without identification he will be put in jail and have to pay bond to get our according to the amount of tickets received.

This leaves us should Mexicans have some kind of driver's license or an American identification card. The knee jerk reaction will be this is completely fucked up giving a Mexican a license. In review of all possible outcomes it makes sense and I will explain.  First Mexicans will see it as a preliminary step toward establishing a recorded time span in America toward citizenship so many will want it. Second they will be held more accountable for driving infractions especially if the second part of the equation is jail and bond for not having a license is enforced.
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« Reply #48 on: September 13, 2013, 02:15:53 PM »

Have you been to California? What, you're thinking maybe wayward Canadians are to blame? Come on, Parker.
you don't get what I'm saying. People use Mexican and illegal immigrant interchangeably, people also use Mexican and Latino interchangeably. In MD,  we have a large El Salvadorian population, and yes a MS-13 problem. And they of course hate Mexicans...but, many times people refer to them as Mexicans...like to some, every Asian is Chinese.

You'd be surprised at the amount of people who come thru borders illegally who are not Mexican. You have El Salvadorians, Guatamalans, Hondorans, Costa Ricans, etc.

And speaking of Canadians, yes, there are tons of those as well.


Speaking about the license issue, the politicians want the money that will initially flow they the DMV and the state, then the votes---money for campaigning.
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« Reply #49 on: September 13, 2013, 02:15:57 PM »



can some one shop mexican hats on them?
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