At what point in gear usage is it recommended to begin things like...

[Big Chiro Flex]

Blood pressure meds, donating blood every ___ weeks, etc.

[Mad-scientist]

Lol I have been wondering the same thing. Some people tell me that you do not need to donate blood. And then others say around the 8 week mark. I think if your running normal dosages of just testosterone you might not need to donate blood. Don't quote me on that though. And I know that with stuff like Eq blood donation is considered a must by many. And BP medication If I where you I would get your blood pressure checked on one of those machines every other week or something like that if you are feeling like it is high. And if it is abnormaly high I would go to the doctors and try to get something that is not going to be something you have to run for life once you start. Like a beta blocker can be hard to stop. But some of the other medications I think would be easier to use only when on cycle. Hopefully others can chime in who are more educated. Lol I know Cialis can lower blood pressure and help with any prostate problems lol that would be more fun to take than BP meds.

[Big Chiro Flex]

Lol I have been wondering the same thing. Some people tell me that you do not need to donate blood. And then others say around the 8 week mark. I think if your running normal dosages of just testosterone you might not need to donate blood. Don't quote me on that though. And I know that with stuff like Eq blood donation is considered a must by many. And BP medication If I where you I would get your blood pressure checked on one of those machines every other week or something like that if you are feeling like it is high. And if it is abnormaly high I would go to the doctors and try to get something that is not going to be something you have to run for life once you start. Like a beta blocker can be hard to stop. But some of the other medications I think would be easier to use only when on cycle. Hopefully others can chime in who are more educated. Lol I know Cialis can lower blood pressure and help with any prostate problems lol that would be more fun to take than BP meds.

Thanks for the response bro.

Im currently 9.5% BF at 5'10, 225lbs. Diet is very clean, do cardio for 30 mins a day 7x a week.

I'm on my 2nd cycle, 400mgs test, 250 EQ. Loving the results. But this week when I bumped it up from 100mg EQ to 250mg, I noticed a slight headachey feeling. I always check BP weekly (gf is a nurse), usually I'm 120/80. Today I was 136/80. Not much but still, I don't like it. Will see how I feel the next week or two. I really don't wanna start any scripts. That's just kinda where I cross the line as far as how much and what kinda gear I wanna use. It's just not worth it to me. I respond tremendously to low doses (if you consider 650mgs a week low), Id rather just swap the EQ for something else if it's gonna fuck me up.

Does anyone know, can donating plasma accomplish the same thing as "dumping blood" in your docs office? There's a place downtown where they actually PAY you like $40 each time you donate plasma and you can do it like twice a week.  

[_aj_]

I have been on BP meds for 13 years (thanks Dad!). I shed a lot of blubber over the past couple of years, so my need for meds has diminished, and I am awash in 40mg lisinopril tabs and HCTZ.

[whitewidow]

propranolol works very well if you experience high blood pressure. It is a beta blocker however. I have used it in the past a few times and it worked nicely and was not addictive at all.
As far as donating blood I might get bloodwork done before I did that. High blood pressure just comes with the territory when you are taking certain AAS. Some people are not as sensitive but AAS like Dbol ,EQ,Tren and other compounds always tend to raise the users blood pressure. I think Dbol raises blood pressure the worst, alot of people get headaches and high BP from dbol use, however many steroids can raise your BP.

[usmcdevildoc]

Blood pressure meds, donating blood every ___ weeks, etc.

Bros:
1.  HTN or elevated BP has its' roots in genetics. Therefore only those who are predisposed have a chance of
elevating there BP. In general if your BP is consistently over 140/90, you need to be on something. In general a low dose diuretic might be all that is needed. Then ACE inhibitors, etc. In general beta-blockers like inderal (propranolol) are not used first line.
The important thing is that you check your pressures regularly, since elevated pressures can occur within a week of beginning any gear in those predisposed. Bros it is important that you do nnot rely on this homeopathic shit either. If you got it it needs to be treated!!
You are right aside from giving you a raging hardon, Cialis and Viagra do lower BP. That is why they are contraindicated with nitrate use-- poppers and shit more common in the HOMO population.
2. Polycythemia (thick blood) takes greater than 6 months of continuous use if gear and is much more common in those who use large quantities of anabolics. Blood work should be done every 6 months at least to check this: CBC. For those who have polycythemia donate blood at least every 3 months. Do not tell them you are using gear!!! Fuck bros you are helping someone out and believe me the person getting it does not give a shit whether you use steroids. Again genetics also plays a role in those who are predisposed to polycythemia.
3. Blood lipids should be checked at least every 6 months!!! Roids can cause havoc to LDL/HDL configurations. LDL is the 'bad' shit, HDL is the 'good' shit, although less emphasis is placed on HDL then in the past. It takes one-several years for you to consistently fuck up you blood lipid profile with high dose gear.
4. Nut shrinkage and sexual health are separate issues, but clearly are affected by high dose use of gear as well. Much less a gene affect.

Bros once the above happens you will always have the predisposition to develop the above.

DOC
Lift, fuck, make money

[Big Chiro Flex]

Bros:
1.  HTN or elevated BP has its' roots in genetics. Therefore only those who are predisposed have a chance of
elevating there BP. In general if your BP is consistently over 140/90, you need to be on something. In general a low dose diuretic might be all that is needed. Then ACE inhibitors, etc. In general beta-blockers like inderal (propranolol) are not used first line.
The important thing is that you check your pressures regularly, since elevated pressures can occur within a week of beginning any gear in those predisposed. Bros it is important that you do nnot rely on this homeopathic shit either. If you got it it needs to be treated!!
You are right aside from giving you a raging hardon, Cialis and Viagra do lower BP. That is why they are contraindicated with nitrate use-- poppers and shit more common in the HOMO population.
2. Polycythemia (thick blood) takes greater than 6 months of continuous use if gear and is much more common in those who use large quantities of anabolics. Blood work should be done every 6 months at least to check this: CBC. For those who have polycythemia donate blood at least every 3 months. Do not tell them you are using gear!!! Fuck bros you are helping someone out and believe me the person getting it does not give a shit whether you use steroids. Again genetics also plays a role in those who are predisposed to polycythemia.
3. Blood lipids should be checked at least every 6 months!!! Roids can cause havoc to LDL/HDL configurations. LDL is the 'bad' shit, HDL is the 'good' shit, although less emphasis is placed on HDL then in the past. It takes one-several years for you to consistently fuck up you blood lipid profile with high dose gear.
4. Nut shrinkage and sexual health are separate issues, but clearly are affected by high dose use of gear as well. Much less a gene affect.

Bros once the above happens you will always have the predisposition to develop the above.

DOC
Lift, fuck, make money

Exactly the guy I was hoping would respond to this thread! Thanks for your input, Doc. I still haven't gotten blood work done, because I was unsure of the ramifications of my doc finding out I'm on gear and if that would possibly affect my insurance or anything. Since I'm a relatively low dose user and i check my BP weekly and its always good (before this EQ), I've just been banking on the fact that I'm going to be relatively immune to any bad health effects since I'm being so conservative. What do you think, do you think blood work for even a low-doser is still an absolute MUST?

[usmcdevildoc]

Exactly the guy I was hoping would respond to this thread! Thanks for your input, Doc. I still haven't gotten blood work done, because I was unsure of the ramifications of my doc finding out I'm on gear and if that would possibly affect my insurance or anything. Since I'm a relatively low dose user and i check my BP weekly and its always good (before this EQ), I've just been banking on the fact that I'm going to be relatively immune to any bad health effects since I'm being so conservative. What do you think, do you think blood work for even a low-doser is still an absolute MUST?

1- Blood work should be done every six months anyway unless your 20 years old. Make sure a lipid profile is
run.
2- Never ever volunteer information regarding use
of steroids outside of conventional HRT to any medical personel, except perhaps in life threatening situations!!!
Once on your medical record, the shit becomes common knowledge and can be accessed by everyone through electronic medical records, if you authorize anyone obtaining the information:  when you get new insurance, when you grant accessability to employers, etc.
THIS HAPPENED TO A FRIEND.
3- Great you invested in a BP cuff-- now use it.

DOC
Lift, fuck, make money

[D.O.U.P]

Bros:
1.  HTN or elevated BP has its' roots in genetics. Therefore only those who are predisposed have a chance of
elevating there BP. In general if your BP is consistently over 140/90, you need to be on something. In general a low dose diuretic might be all that is needed. Then ACE inhibitors, etc. In general beta-blockers like inderal (propranolol) are not used first line.
The important thing is that you check your pressures regularly, since elevated pressures can occur within a week of beginning any gear in those predisposed. Bros it is important that you do nnot rely on this homeopathic shit either. If you got it it needs to be treated!!
You are right aside from giving you a raging hardon, Cialis and Viagra do lower BP. That is why they are contraindicated with nitrate use-- poppers and shit more common in the HOMO population.
2. Polycythemia (thick blood) takes greater than 6 months of continuous use if gear and is much more common in those who use large quantities of anabolics. Blood work should be done every 6 months at least to check this: CBC. For those who have polycythemia donate blood at least every 3 months. Do not tell them you are using gear!!! Fuck bros you are helping someone out and believe me the person getting it does not give a shit whether you use steroids. Again genetics also plays a role in those who are predisposed to polycythemia.
3. Blood lipids should be checked at least every 6 months!!! Roids can cause havoc to LDL/HDL configurations. LDL is the 'bad' shit, HDL is the 'good' shit, although less emphasis is placed on HDL then in the past. It takes one-several years for you to consistently fuck up you blood lipid profile with high dose gear.
4. Nut shrinkage and sexual health are separate issues, but clearly are affected by high dose use of gear as well. Much less a gene affect.

Bros once the above happens you will always have the predisposition to develop the above.

DOC
Lift, fuck, make money

Excellent post. Thanks.

[nahb]

that is a baby dose of eq my man thats not going to harm you. imo I wouldnt even run it unless it was at 600+b and that bp ier s fine.. first number always going to be higher for a athlete.

[Mad-scientist]

If your against anti estrogens how do you think estrogen should be controlled for gyno sensitive users?

[Mad-scientist]

Interesting man. I appreciate it. I knew estrogen was harder to control at higher body fat levels but I didn't know it was as bad as you say it is.

[magnusvv]

It was mentioned earlier in the thread but I'd like to reiterate the statement.  You don't know anything until you get your bloodwork done.  BP should be monitored, its easy enough to do for yourself at home.

[Mad-scientist]

galeniko I watched some of your video's the were pretty cool.

[Dago_Joe]

Exactly the guy I was hoping would respond to this thread! Thanks for your input, Doc. I still haven't gotten blood work done, because I was unsure of the ramifications of my doc finding out I'm on gear and if that would possibly affect my insurance or anything. Since I'm a relatively low dose user and i check my BP weekly and its always good (before this EQ), I've just been banking on the fact that I'm going to be relatively immune to any bad health effects since I'm being so conservative. What do you think, do you think blood work for even a low-doser is still an absolute MUST?

NEVER NEVER EVER EVER mention at all that you are on gear to your drug dealer with a medical degree!!!  All doctors are businessmen and lawyers first and a physician WAYYYYY last on their list of priorities.  In other words, making money and avoiding lawsuits are their only concerns, your health and well-being are inconsequential as long as you do not sue them and keep paying.  I got fucked royally by admitting I was on gear because I naively believed it would help my treatment if my drug dealer knew exactly what I was on. Telling will bite you in the ass.  Just play dumb and hope your drug dealer has enough brains to figure out what you are not saying.  Doesnt matter though because the treatment is the same even if you dont admit what caused it. 

[Big Chiro Flex]

NEVER NEVER EVER EVER mention at all that you are on gear to your drug dealer with a medical degree!!!  All doctors are businessmen and lawyers first and a physician WAYYYYY last on their list of priorities.  In other words, making money and avoiding lawsuits are their only concerns, your health and well-being are inconsequential as long as you do not sue them and keep paying.  I got fucked royally by admitting I was on gear because I naively believed it would help my treatment if my drug dealer knew exactly what I was on. Telling will bite you in the ass.  Just play dumb and hope your drug dealer has enough brains to figure out what you are not saying.  Doesnt matter though because the treatment is the same even if you dont admit what caused it. 

Thanks for your post Joe!

[Conker]

Same as when not on gear
Blood pressure meds, if your BP is high and natural remedies don't work. Giving blood, if blood tests show you have high hematocrit/RBC.

[Big Chiro Flex]

BP has more to do with than just AAS use.  my BP was much higher when I was on HRT and my bf was much higher.. when I was powerlifting mostly, when my waist was 41/42 (insane to think it was that thick... fucking powerlifting belts lol)... back then I used Captopril. which I believe was an ACE inhibitor (fuck, I should know that stuff. lol)... now, even with between 1.5g and 6g of androgens in my blood at any one time, my bloodpressure is much much lower (considered 'normal') and my resting heartrate is below 95 (I think most days it's around 88 if I don't have any pre-workouts in me).... and I'm not taking any bp meds.

waist is down to 32.. well, probably 34 now, since I've been binging the past 4 weeks, and my bf stays below 7/8% all year, and probably closer to 5-6% most the year.

Dude how can u be on 6G and not have high BP?!?!?!

[Dago_Joe]

Dude how can u be on 6G and not have high BP?!?!?!

Same reason some dudes do not lose hair at all (Dennis Wolf, Jason Cutler, Ronald) and others look like Nasser (PIP).  Genetics my man.

[Big Chiro Flex]

Same reason some dudes do not lose hair at all (Dennis Wolf, Jason Cutler, Ronald) and others look like Nasser (PIP).  Genetics my man.

just lucky. lol. I remember back when I first started 15 yrs ago or so, i'd get nosebleeds alllll the time. out at dinner, at work, in the shower, ect... sometimes i'd just bend over the sink or toilet to see how much blood I could splatter everywhere. lol. but I rarely get them now... your body just gets used to it over time.. just like tren night sweats, or insomnia... when I went on HRT after being off everything (well, except the patch, which was useless.. id estimate 1mg/day got through that thing), the first 5 days after my first hrt shot I was wide awake at night, like tren-insomnia, only it was from a little 200mg shot of test... wasn't tired the next day or anything (just like tren)... but your body gets used to it.

Damn!!

[BodyMachine]

I know I had extremely high bp when I first started AAS years back, guess I was genetically predisposed.  Caused massive migraines. Eventually put me on topamax and a bp med (calcium channel blocker). BP has been in check since

[Thong Maniac]

Does propanalol and other beta blockers crush LDL?

Mine was 190 LDL and the only thing im doing different is keto diet and the beta blocker

[BEASTZ6]

Do not use beta blockers. They slow your heart down. What you want is a ace inhibitor. Hawthorne Berry works fairly well as a ace inhibitor. Carditone, which can be ordered from Amazon is a very effective OTC BP lowering supplement.