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Re: Navy vet ID'd as shooter in DC attack that killed 12
« Reply #75 on: September 18, 2013, 12:12:26 PM »
super majority is not 99% and you know exactly why it didn't pass, because a handful of Senators are beholden to gun manufactures and scared of a small of very vocal gun nuts and also scared of the NRA ( a group whose primary objective is to increase gun sales at the expense of everything else)

you get no more of my time today

This is completely wrong in every aspect..but if that's what you want to believe then that's ok. You will stick to your liberal talking points no matter what.

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Re: Navy vet ID'd as shooter in DC attack that killed 12
« Reply #76 on: September 18, 2013, 12:16:19 PM »
I guess he could have just left the country instead of murdering people, but that would have been too easy. 

Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis was 'not happy with America,' friend says
Kristi Suthamtewakul via Reuters

FORT WORTH, Texas — Aaron Alexis was so unhappy with his life in America — where he was beset by money woes and felt slighted as a veteran — that he was "ready to move out of the country" last year, a friend said Tuesday.

Aaron Alexis, the man police say shot and killed 12 people in a Washington Navy Yard, reportedly called police to complain about people following him and that he was hearing voices. He sought mental health treatment from a nearby VA hospital, officials said. NBC's Pete Williams reports.

"He was tired of dealing with the government," said Kristi Suthamtewkal, whose husband owns the Thai Bowl Restaurant in Fort Worth, where Alexis worked in exchange for room and board.

But instead of leaving the U.S., the former Navy reservist relocated from Texas to Virginia, where an IT company called The Experts put him on a government contract at the Washington Navy Yard.

A day after Alexis, 34, gunned down 12 people at the yard, new details emerged of his troubled past — from his preoccupation with 9/11 to recent mental problems that included hearing voices in his head.

Advertise | AdChoicesInvestigators said Tuesday that a preliminary probe has turned up no evidence that Alexis participated in rescue operations at Ground Zero, as his father once told police.

He was, however, employed as a clerical worker at the Borough of Manhattan Community College, in the shadow of the Twin Towers, when they were destroyed on Sept. 11, 2001.

“He talked about 9/11 and where he was and how the buildings had collapsed and he couldn’t believe that...and how he was upset with the terrorists for taking innocent lives," Suthamtewkal said.

Aaron Alexis in an undated photograph provided by Kristi Suthamtewakul, wife of "Happy Bowl" Thai restaurant owner Nutpisit Suthamtewakul.
Melinda Downs, who took in Alexis after he moved out of the Suthamtewkals' house last year, said he told her he suffered from post-traumatic stress after "surviving 9/11 in New York."

And when Alexis was arrested in Seattle in 2004, for shooting at a parked car in what he called an "anger-fueled blackout," he brought up 9/11 during his interrogation and "how those events had disturbed him," police said.

Three years after that arrest, Alexis enlisted in the Navy Reserves and served as an aviation electrician's mate — a third-class petty officer — before he was given an honorable discharge in January 2011.

Military officials acknowledged that Alexis had disciplinary issues including absence without permission, insubordination and disorderly conduct.

Among the problems: an arrest in September 2010 by Fort Worth police after he accidentally fired a bullet into the apartment above him while he was cleaning a gun with slippery hands. Prosecutors determined that there wasn’t enough evidence to bring a recklessness case.

After his discharge, Alexis began an online course in aeronautics with Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. He worshiped at a Buddhist Temple and was befriended by Suthamtewkal's husband, Oui, who " took him under his wing and took care of him."

He was given a room at their house in exchange for help at the restaurant, where he was one of the more popular waiters.

"Everybody loved him," Kristi Suthamtewkal said.

He spent a lot of time in his room, burning incense, she said. Michael Ritrobato, a handyman at the restaurant, said Alexis played violent online video games but was good-natured, not angry.

After he returned from a contract job in Japan in Nov. 2012, he didn't seem as easy-going, though.

He felt like he had been cheated out of money from the contract and complained that he was mistreated because he was black, Kristi Suthamtewkal said.

"He felt a lot of discrimination and and racism with white people especially," she said.

There was also a growing sense of entitlement and disrespect, she said. "He did have the tendency to feel like people owed him something all the time."

He got annoyed when she couldn't give him rides, and he started eating the couple's food without permission, and ignoring her when she complained, she said. When her cats developed fleas, he was angry.

Mostly, though, she felt like he was fed up with the United States.

“I knew he was not happy with America and he felt slighted as a veteran and he was ready to move out of the country," she said.

When he abruptly left their house in July, he went to live with Melinda and Marvin Downs.

"He would get really quiet sometimes, put his head down," Melinda said. "You would see him in thought but not in rage, not angry at the world."

After he left Fort Worth for a series of jobs on the East Coast, Alexis kept in touch with the Downses. The last they heard from him, on Sept. 9, he said everything was going well in Washington.

Even before Monday morning, though, there were signs that wasn't true.

He sought treatment with the Veterans Administration for paranoia and hearing voices in two states.

In August, Newport, R.I., police were called to a Marriott Hotel room where Alexis said he was being followed by three people and heard voices coming from his closet. He couldn't sleep because he thought they were using a microwave machine to send vibrations through the ceiling, the police report says.

His small circle of friends in Fort Worth say they saw no evidence of mental illness or aggression and struggled to reconcile the accusations against their friend with the man they knew.

"I don't know him as a monster.  I choose to rather remember him as being the jokester.  An honorable young man — not the one that flipped out and just went off on everybody," Melinda Downs said.

Kristi Suthamtewkal recalled his devotion to the Wat Busayadhammavanaram temple.

"Buddhism is a religion of peace," she said. "It does not make sense."

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Re: Navy vet ID'd as shooter in DC attack that killed 12
« Reply #77 on: September 18, 2013, 12:22:15 PM »
Tragic.  Pretty soon there will be regulation on being unhappy.

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Re: Navy vet ID'd as shooter in DC attack that killed 12
« Reply #78 on: September 18, 2013, 12:24:31 PM »
Sounds like the white man hounded this poor psycho until he was forced to take action.
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Re: Navy vet ID'd as shooter in DC attack that killed 12
« Reply #79 on: September 18, 2013, 12:34:36 PM »
Tragic.  Pretty soon there will be regulation on being unhappy.

Are you saying him being unhappy is the tragic part of this story?   ???

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Re: Navy vet ID'd as shooter in DC attack that killed 12
« Reply #80 on: September 18, 2013, 12:45:51 PM »
This is completely wrong in every aspect..but if that's what you want to believe then that's ok. You will stick to your liberal talking points no matter what.

I've posted the links showing you the strong support for basic gun legislation and you've failed to post anything to support your claims


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Re: Navy vet ID'd as shooter in DC attack that killed 12
« Reply #81 on: September 18, 2013, 01:12:11 PM »
I've posted the links showing you the strong support for basic gun legislation and you've failed to post anything to support your claims



Your poll was already shown to be a dubious liberal attempt to skew information.

Are your going to continue to ignore that the NRA is made up of over 5 million americans who contribute their own money and efforts to the cause, and stick with the liberal image of a shadowy corporation that exists soley for and by the ' gun companies' , which according to your story must be such gigantic powerful corporations that they can singlehandedly determine policy despite the  will and efforts of 90% of the population, the best efforts of the president and his administration, and the entire democratic party?
Oh and it wasn't a 'handful of senators'..the MAJORITY of them voted against your bullshit bill.

So..again..why didn't it pass??

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Re: Navy vet ID'd as shooter in DC attack that killed 12
« Reply #82 on: September 18, 2013, 02:50:28 PM »
Your poll was already shown to be a dubious liberal attempt to skew information.

Are your going to continue to ignore that the NRA is made up of over 5 million americans who contribute their own money and efforts to the cause, and stick with the liberal image of a shadowy corporation that exists soley for and by the ' gun companies' , which according to your story must be such gigantic powerful corporations that they can singlehandedly determine policy despite the  will and efforts of 90% of the population, the best efforts of the president and his administration, and the entire democratic party?
Oh and it wasn't a 'handful of senators'..the MAJORITY of them voted against your bullshit bill.

So..again..why didn't it pass??

no it wasn't

if you believe it was then post (or re-post) your source

I suspect you will do as before and make a bunch of excuses as to why you can't do that

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Re: Navy vet ID'd as shooter in DC attack that killed 12
« Reply #83 on: September 18, 2013, 07:14:13 PM »
why is it that polls only matter to you when they are supporting your agenda?

you werent very worried when the majority didnt want obamacare?

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Re: Navy vet ID'd as shooter in DC attack that killed 12
« Reply #84 on: September 19, 2013, 02:35:34 AM »
Gun-control ineffective.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/08/29/harvard-study-gun-control-doesnt-work/

Implementing stricter gun control measures does NOT reduce crime or prevent mass killings. They are largely emotionally laden responses from hypocritical politicians to recent media saturation of a tragic event where the perpetrator utilized a gun. Nancy Pelosi has a California CCW which are virtually impossible to legally attain. The only CCW instructor in the DC area is quitting due to lack of business. Rosie O'Donnell has a bevy of armed security personnel accompanying wherever her fatass goes. Many of these celebrities and politicians think it is okay for them to have a gun, but not okay for anyone else.

When it comes to crime, the causation and who are committing these crimes makes the media, corporations, and politicians very, very uncomfortable as the answers are very politically incorrect. US whites make up the largest percentage of legal gunowners but yet the majority of violent crimes utilizing a firearm are perpetuated by African-Americans and Central American hispanics in our inner cities. Take out the violent crime rates from a handful of the US's most dangerous cities and you are left with an overall crime rate that is very much aligned with the other industrialized nations on earth, despite the high rates of gun ownership.

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Re: Navy vet ID'd as shooter in DC attack that killed 12
« Reply #85 on: September 19, 2013, 08:18:23 AM »
why is it that polls only matter to you when they are supporting your agenda?

you werent very worried when the majority didnt want obamacare?

you mean polls that show barely a 50% majority of people who oppose Obama care based on something they believe will happen in the future (try to keep in mind it's not implemented yet) vs. polls that show virtually 90% support for something simple like stricter background checks regarding a topic where we can already see the actual carnage that has already occurred

Given our prior conversations on much simpler topics I'm sure understanding the difference here will elude you too

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Re: Navy vet ID'd as shooter in DC attack that killed 12
« Reply #86 on: September 19, 2013, 10:07:22 AM »
you mean polls that show barely a 50% majority of people who oppose Obama care based on something they believe will happen in the future (try to keep in mind it's not implemented yet) vs. polls that show virtually 90% support for something simple like stricter background checks regarding a topic where we can already see the actual carnage that has already occurred

Given our prior conversations on much simpler topics I'm sure understanding the difference here will elude you too
I believe the polls were much more one sided than that straw.

Also your polls results are based upon the belief that background checks will help stop gun violence, facts are it won't.....

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Re: Navy vet ID'd as shooter in DC attack that killed 12
« Reply #87 on: September 20, 2013, 07:12:20 AM »
Strawman claims that most NRA members supported obama's gun control legislation.

Nothing more needs to be said, really.
His credibility is zero.

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Re: Navy vet ID'd as shooter in DC attack that killed 12
« Reply #88 on: September 20, 2013, 07:23:35 AM »
Strawman claims that most NRA members supported obama's gun control legislation.

Nothing more needs to be said, really.
His credibility is zero.

Checkmate.

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Re: Navy vet ID'd as shooter in DC attack that killed 12
« Reply #89 on: September 22, 2013, 05:08:41 PM »
Checkmate.

hopefully you're better at real chess than imaginary message board chess

I've posted this before but I have an extra 5 minutes so I will repost it again

John Matrix won't post anything to back up his bullshit because he can't

Poll conducted in 2012 by douchebag Republican pollster Frank Luntz

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/media-center/pr006-12.shtml

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Among the survey’s key findings:

87 percent of NRA members agree that support for Second Amendment rights goes hand-in-hand with keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.

There is very strong support for criminal background checks among NRA members and gun owners:
74 percent of NRA members and 87 percent of non-NRA gun owners support requiring criminal background checks of anyone purchasing a gun.
79 percent of NRA members and 80 percent of non-NRA gun owners support requiring gun retailers to perform background checks on all employees – a measure recently endorsed by the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade association for the firearms industry.