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Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED!!! by Peter McGough
« on: September 18, 2013, 02:47:01 PM »
Big RAMY!  Why he is OVERRATED !!!


The biggest talking point at this year’s upcoming Mr. Olympia shindig– beside Bob Chick’s sartorial decisions – is the debut of 285-pound Big Ramy. When he made his winning pro debut at last May’s New York Pro he was the biggest thing to hit bodybuilding since King Kamali’s ego.

Stacking 285 pounds on his 5’10” frame, the 28 year old Egyptian – who now lives in Kuwait – stunned all those in attendance onstage and offstage not just with his huge muscle size but also his balance and shape and a waist taper unusual for most belonging to the mass monsters club. Quite simply we have not seen someone of this size and this complete before. But to my tired peepers there are four factors to be considered before we crown Big Ramy the 14th Mr. Olympia champ.

Factor One: Shock Value Won’t Last: There is no doubt that Big Ramy shook the Tribeca to its rafters, putting the local fire departments on earthquake alert, and stunned everyone in his pro debut. The sheer size of the guy took the breath away and backed up by his proportions and tight waist the fact that he did have some weaknesses were maybe overlooked. Going into the Olympia he won’t have that same “first impressions” shock value? The same surprise element won’t be there. Like losing your virginity, it only happens once – personally I can’t wait.






Factor Two: The Victor Factor: The main plotline going into the 2012 New York Pro was the return of Victor Martinez after nearly two years away from competition. Now let it be said that the Victor Martinez who appeared on May 25 and was runner-up to Big Ramy isn’t the best Victor (a formidable opponent indeed) we’ve seen. He was conditioned but was leaner and little flattish in some areas, but overall he had crisper detail than Ramy. The latter usually being the clinching winning factor. But to return to the question of a best ever Victor (probably his second place at the 2007 Olympia) it’s a truism that veteran competitors like the popular Dominican are judged not only on who is standing next to them but also against their former best. This probably hurt Victor’s placing. That is not a knock against the judges: It’s human nature in all walks of life to compare the past against the present. A Victor in prime shape would have probably beaten Ramy. Plus in reviewing the full line-up, of the 18 others Ramy finished ahead of only two (Martinez and Marcus Haley) have ever made an Olympia appearance. This is not strictly to say it was a weak field, more it was a field of mostly youngish talent who are still WIP.

Factor Three: Ramy’s Weaknesses: Now speaking of weaknesses at Ramy’s level of physical development is like criticizing Roger Federer’s backhand, but when there’s talk about our subject winning this year’s Olympia closer inspection is required. Big Ramy had a couple of pointed anomalies in the pec area which are usually punished. His thighs are humungous (like he’s got a bantamweight strapped to each leg) but from what was seen in New York they lacked deep separation and cross striations. Also his hams (from the back) and calves need improvement. His back while maybe being the widest around could still use a bit more thickness and certainly detail in order to joust with the Heaths and Greenes of the bodybuilding world. Chest could be thicker also






Factor Four: The Devil’s In The Details In my opinion Ramy wasn’t 100 per cent dialed in in New York He wasn’t bone dry which made him unable to exhibit rock hard muscle: It seemed there was a slight blurriness caused by a thin film of water. We didn’t see the sort of detail that is needed for a top six Olympia spot. Some pundits are of the opinion that if Ramy drops ten pounds then look out Phil Heath. On the other hand dropping ten pounds won’t give him more back thickness, better calves and hams and cross striations in his thighs. It may be that Heathlike detail is not there to be mined out. Like most factors in bodybuilding the bottom line is genetics: you either have that feathery type detail embedded in the muscles or you don’t. Training another few years will enable muscle maturity to kick in and improve separation, but it won’t unearth crazy detail if it’s not inherent in the genes. To defeat a Mr. Olympia history proves you have to beat him at his own game or wait for his decline. Phil’s Heath game is packing his physique with more detail than we’ve seen before: He’s the Devil with the details everyone else has to get past. In viewing the top four at last year’s Olympia (in order Phil Heath, Kai Greene, Shawn Rhoden, Dexter Jackson) they all would appear to have Ramy beaten in the detail department.

WAIT AND SEE
This has not been a low-blowed attempt to derail Big Ramy. I think he’s livened up the bodybuilding scene like no other competitor in recent years, and we should treasure him as he develops (maybe to Mr. Olympia status) not overburden him with impossible expectations. Making the top six would be a tremendous achievement for the rookie but to expect him to win this year is liking expecting Miley Cirus to keep her clothes on from now on. Ain’t gonna happen.

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Re: Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED!!! by Peter McGough
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2013, 02:51:51 PM »
Like I said a LOT of people are going to be disappointed with his placement. And funny I pointed out the exact same weaknesses  ;D  8)

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Re: Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED!!! by Peter McGough
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2013, 02:55:39 PM »
I said this as well - Ramy is very good, no doubt, but he'll be lucky if he cracks top six. In fact, I'm surprised Peter McGough didn't mention the dodgy oil-filled delts.

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Re: Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED!!! by Peter McGough
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2013, 02:56:56 PM »
spot on!

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Re: Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED!!! by Peter McGough
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2013, 02:58:10 PM »
He wrote everything I did, just with a British accent.
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Re: Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED!!! by Peter McGough
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2013, 03:05:23 PM »
Novice calves on professional bodybuilders is becoming a standard. What difference do 44 inch thighs make if you don't have the calves to support them....


Poverty Calves: Calves that can't support their thighs.
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Re: Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED!!! by Peter McGough
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2013, 03:07:50 PM »
Agreed. His calves fucking suck. Do whatever it is he needs to do to get them to match his thighs, including bringing his thighs down for more separation and definition.
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Re: Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED!!! by Peter McGough
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2013, 03:12:39 PM »
Agreed. His calves fucking suck. Do whatever it is he needs to do to get them to match his thighs, including bringing his thighs down for more separation and definition.

Like Wolf and Ronnie , they NEVER will. Perhaps getting his quads down will help minimize the effect

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Re: Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED!!! by Peter McGough
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2013, 03:15:09 PM »
Like Wolf and Ronnie , they NEVER will. Perhaps getting his quads down will help minimize the effect

Yep.
That's his only option. Unless he starts injecting shit in his calves, which he obviously hasn't been doing.
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Re: Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED!!! by Peter McGough
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2013, 03:25:45 PM »
 ramy and wolf with zero calves

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Re: Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED!!! by Peter McGough
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2013, 03:43:13 PM »
Haters gonna hate

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Re: Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED!!! by Peter McGough
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2013, 03:43:43 PM »

Whatever -

Big Ramy will be in Los Angeles the Tuesday after the Olympia visiting some stores for GAT.


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Re: Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED!!! by Peter McGough
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2013, 04:38:52 PM »
Phil, Jay and Kai all have calves. Better detail too. 4th.

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Re: Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED!!! by Peter McGough
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2013, 05:12:34 PM »
Bodybuilding should make it easier on the competitors and just make it about how much bigger your thighs can be compared to to your calves-without amputating your calves though...

On the right is proportional:



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Re: Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED!!! by Peter McGough
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2013, 05:18:05 PM »
blah blah blah

Ramy will do fine

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Re: Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED!!! by Peter McGough
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2013, 05:23:41 PM »
Still say 4th place!

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Re: Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED!!! by Peter McGough
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2013, 05:44:57 PM »
guys totally out of whack, you're immediately drawn to the thighs which look ridiculous on the comparitive tooth pick calves

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Re: Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED!!! by Peter McGough
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2013, 06:03:21 PM »
well, screw peter mc gough

10 days now.

rami didnt go to usa to go home pennyless, he went there to collect the prize moneys.

lol@calves , his calves probably still better than half the line up.

his legs need more striations and cuts, really?well, they are now there.

his back needs more detail?compared to who, only phil and jay can beat him in rear double biceps, assuming all come conditioned.

the devil of details, uhm, he got striated glutes and everything, no oil, all good.

10 days we will see when they line up.

We will and he wont be vying for top spot.


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Re: Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED!!! by Peter McGough
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2013, 10:13:58 PM »
if I had to 'choose' to have the physique of one bber, past of present, i'd take Ramy's.. i'd take it over Dennis Wolf, as well as Dorian and Ronnie... well, maybe Ronnie in '03, maybe...

but Ramy's 'weaknesses' are far less 'weak' than Phil Health's were 3-4 years ago.

Ramy's quads/legs are better than phils (and so are a lot of guys... i'd even venture to say Toney Freeman's legs are better than Phils)

Ronnie had shitty calves... dex had shitty calves. Even flex before he filled them with oil..... hell, non-white bbers with good calves are rare (except Aaron Baker and Vince Taylor, and Paul dillett... although Paul's half-white)... even Chris Cormier's calves aren't great, and he was one of the (if not THE) most solidly muscled & legitimately-built black bbers in the sport in the past 20 years. (actual, dense, 'real' muscle earned in the gym and not filled with oil.... save for his medial delts)

most of us here are bodybuilders, and i'd hope the judges are bbers as well... and we ALL should know that calves are largely genetic, and Ramy's seem to be about as 'developed' as his genes will allow. i'd guess he could MAYBE improve them another 5-10%, but even then, they'd still suck..... same with Ruhl's triceps, but then again, if Mr. O's placings were weighted heavily on calve development, Mike Mattarazo would've been top 3.

his delts have oil, so what... so are A LOT of guys delts... but his delts hold the oil very well, unlike A LOT of guys. (ruhl, Nasser, paco, dillett, cormier, ect... claude groulx's delts held oil well, as well as flex's delts held oil very well as well, except when he fucked up in his rear delts for a while)

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Re: Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED!!! by Peter McGough
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2013, 11:53:06 PM »
peter mcgough would lick every drop of sweat off of ramy's balls on a hot summer day

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Re: Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED!!! by Peter McGough
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2013, 12:31:02 AM »
6th - 8th place

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Re: Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED!!! by Peter McGough
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2013, 12:36:25 AM »
Mr.O isn't just about "the biggest or best physique on stage that day".
It's about the best overall representative of the sport!!

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Re: Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED!!! by Peter McGough
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2013, 12:45:51 AM »
Whatever -

Big Ramy will be in Los Angeles the Tuesday after the Olympia visiting some stores for GAT.


Always promoting. Good job Ron. You deserve some kickbacks from the NPC and the IFBB.

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Re: Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED!!! by Peter McGough
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2013, 12:49:29 AM »
if I had to 'choose' to have the physique of one bber, past of present, i'd take Ramy's.. i'd take it over Dennis Wolf, as well as Dorian and Ronnie... well, maybe Ronnie in '03, maybe...

but Ramy's 'weaknesses' are far less 'weak' than Phil Health's were 3-4 years ago.

Ramy's quads/legs are better than phils (and so are a lot of guys... i'd even venture to say Toney Freeman's legs are better than Phils)

Ronnie had shitty calves... dex had shitty calves. Even flex before he filled them with oil..... hell, non-white bbers with good calves are rare (except Aaron Baker and Vince Taylor, and Paul dillett... although Paul's half-white)... even Chris Cormier's calves aren't great, and he was one of the (if not THE) most solidly muscled & legitimately-built black bbers in the sport in the past 20 years. (actual, dense, 'real' muscle earned in the gym and not filled with oil.... save for his medial delts)

most of us here are bodybuilders, and i'd hope the judges are bbers as well... and we ALL should know that calves are largely genetic, and Ramy's seem to be about as 'developed' as his genes will allow. i'd guess he could MAYBE improve them another 5-10%, but even then, they'd still suck..... same with Ruhl's triceps, but then again, if Mr. O's placings were weighted heavily on calve development, Mike Mattarazo would've been top 3.

his delts have oil, so what... so are A LOT of guys delts... but his delts hold the oil very well, unlike A LOT of guys. (ruhl, Nasser, paco, dillett, cormier, ect... claude groulx's delts held oil well, as well as flex's delts held oil very well as well, except when he fucked up in his rear delts for a while)

Dillett's delts were big before Synthol was developed...
Cormier, please, the man's delts were striated...you are grasping at straws...
The problem with Ramy is that he is too full of it, just like Flex circa 99-2000s, and it should be punished, mocked, chastised. Marked down. You want great quality physiques up there? Then there needs to be some damn quality control. People like you give excuses for piss poor quality---and that is partially why it continues.

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Re: Big RAMY! Why he is OVERRATED!!! by Peter McGough
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2013, 12:53:54 AM »
Cormier, please, the man's delts were striated...you are grasping at straws...

I'm glad you pointed that out.  Cormier would spent his money on a bag of weed before he bothered with oil.  In his case the oil probably would have helped him win the Arnold at least once, since it would have filled out his lacking parts like Flex.