I've posted about how pain meds are a bad, bad idea... recreation use, and short term use that turns into long term use. but I can say it all day long and on here, on msg boards, i'm not around the dudes all day long or every day in person.... on a msg board, ppl have their own lives, and if they want to try opiates, or whatever, if they're curious, they're gonna do it no matter what I say. you gotta take your own inventory and worry about what you can control... nothing I say will make a guy change his mind about using oxy or vic's or morphine, ect... they'll eventually figure it out for themselves, like everyone of us who've been down that road before have figured it out for ourselves... nothing will make a guy STOP using until he/she is ready to. it's a complicated thing. even after being in the hospital for 10 days with pancreatitis the first time, I wasn't ready to stop drinking vodka like water.... and I wasn't a "drunk", nobody knew I even drank till I stopped drinking..... like in the movie Pulp Fiction, Jules talks about the 'moment of clarity', you can't make someone have that... and usually it takes having a 'moment of clarity', then ignoring it or fucking it up and it's not till you have two or three or four of these 'moment's of clarity' that you finally say 'fuck, this isn't worth it.. it's not like it was when I started. time to get back to normal'.