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« on: September 25, 2013, 07:52:24 AM »

The dems are riding at an all time high, cocky in their assurance that the have the demographics 'locked up' and that hillary will easily crush any opponent. Here sre some reasons why they probably shouldn't be dancing on the graves of the opposition just yet.
1. Statistically, the opposite party usually has the advantage following 8 yrs of one party rule. Obama ran following 8 yrs of one of the most disastrous and disliked presidents ever.Hillary will be running following 8 yrs of one of the most devisive presidents in recent times. These circumstances worked heavily in obamas favor; they will not be working in Hillarys favor.

2. The enthusiasm gap: in 2008, the dems were super fired up after bush. Obama had massive enthusiasm advantage. Following 8 years of the most liberal president ever, who has been going for broke on the most controvertial agendas possible, the enthusiasm gap is ALREADY MASSIVELY against the liberal dem candidate. After 8 years of rule their base will be somewhat lethargic while the right's base is as fired up as it has ever been. This will be a huge disadvantage hillary faces.

3. Demographics are fickle: no matter what, 95% of the black vote will not turn out for the rich old white lady. Period. Hillary cannot count on the same massive, historic black turnout obama had, for obvious reasons.
Also, 70% of hispanics cannot be counted on to vote hillary. Hispanics do not vote nearly as party line as the liberal media makes it seem. Especially if the repub candidate is hispanic. So the incredibly one sided 'minority' numbers obama got will certainly not be repeated with hillary, at least not to that extent. Also, do not discount the huge numbers of yuppie liberal whites who voted for obama largely because he was the first black contender and it made them feel real special and politically correct to vote for the black guy.

4. Don't write the obituary for a party just yet: recall that following a very unpopular dem jimmy carter in the late 70's was 12 straight years of republican rule, during which time reagan won something like 48-49 states. Unheard of landslides. But the democratic party did not die, no matter how obsolete they seemed at the time. And if the repubs seems in bad shape now, they aren't close to what the dems were in the 80's.

So whereas there were a number of significant factors which all came together perfectly for candidate obama, many of these will NOT be present for candidate hillary (despite what libs currently believe) and in fact there will be a number of significant factors working AGAINST her. If she runs against an actual conservative, she will likely lose.
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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2013, 07:58:23 AM »

Dems prior to 2016: Damn the elitists who are entrenched in American politics!

Dems in 2016: Let's elect a person from a dynasty family that is entrenched in American politics!

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How much blood does Hillary have on her hands?
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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2013, 07:59:32 AM »

Besides the obvious, the media isn't a lock with her either. They turned on Bill...kinda like they turned on Hil min 2008. Not having the media is a big problem for the post Obama media. Yeah I get she's a woman etc...but she's an unattractive shrew as well. That doesn't help her. There are alot of recent skeletons in her closet as well. This will be beaten to death before 2016. If the Repubs have balls and go with a Mike Pence or another con instead of that fat fuck in NY...they have a chance. Hell christie could still beat Hil by splitting the Dems.
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2013, 08:15:33 AM »

Besides the obvious, the media isn't a lock with her either. They turned on Bill...kinda like they turned on Hil min 2008. Not having the media is a big problem for the post Obama media. Yeah I get she's a woman etc...but she's an unattractive shrew as well. That doesn't help her. There are alot of recent skeletons in her closet as well. This will be beaten to death before 2016. If the Repubs have balls and go with a Mike Pence or another con instead of that fat fuck in NY...they have a chance. Hell christie could still beat Hil by splitting the Dems.

they turned on Bill because it was good for rating$$$
They need hilary IN office before they can turn on her.  So yes, the media gets their BIGGEST STORY in... it'll be hilary, unless another obama emerges.

Now, CHristie splitting the dems?  Um, that was the goal with RINOS like Mccain and Romney.  The base stays home, remember?  We've tried that twice.  Two fails.  The lib base will run out to vote for hilary, but how many repubs that snubbed mccain and romney will suddenly say "We love christie - and we're totally cool with his RINO policies!"

It doesnt work.  Put a conservative in there and see what happens.
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2013, 08:17:49 AM »

Good reasons.  BUT OBama is still at 46% approval rate.  After the insane bullshit he's pulled, still, 46% of americans love the dude.

It'll all come down to if the 2016 GOP candidate can DIFFERENTIATE him/herself from Hilary.  If they run a rubio/christie, with the RINO, amnesty crap... forget about it.  Issues become a wash and voters roll with the person who has been in the top level white house/senate since 92.  

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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2013, 08:47:56 AM »

Good reasons.  BUT OBama is still at 46% approval rate.  After the insane bullshit he's pulled, still, 46% of americans love the dude.

It'll all come down to if the 2016 GOP candidate can DIFFERENTIATE him/herself from Hilary.  If they run a rubio/christie, with the RINO, amnesty crap... forget about it.  Issues become a wash and voters roll with the person who has been in the top level white house/senate since 92.  



Obama's approval ratings are irrelevent because he won't be running again. But the rest is exactly right. Despite their inherent advantages in 2016, the right still needs to put a true conservative on the ballot to win. RINOs will always lose. Unless maybe the dems run joe biden haha
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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2013, 08:49:12 AM »

Good reasons.  BUT OBama is still at 46% approval rate.  After the insane bullshit he's pulled, still, 46% of americans love the dude.

It'll all come down to if the 2016 GOP candidate can DIFFERENTIATE him/herself from Hilary.  If they run a rubio/christie, with the RINO, amnesty crap... forget about it.  Issues become a wash and voters roll with the person who has been in the top level white house/senate since 92.  



First off u want a rino because ur not a repub/libertarian or conservative. Second....he's still underwater. U cherry pick as usual. I could say that based on reuters he's at 39%....nobody loves this guy.  He's at 44/45 % because the Obamacare, aimed at everybody hasn't hit. Barry was slick and made sure that the full effects wouldn't be felt until well after he stole another election.
                                

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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2013, 08:54:07 AM »

Let's see how well Hillary can rally the Cubans in Florida.  Expect a male Hispanic as Clintons running mate. How this will play with black voters after eight years of a black president remains to be seen.  The younger black voters might not have the same enthusiasm to elect an old Caucasian lady and a Hispanic.  
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2013, 08:55:22 AM »

Besides..none of this matters...2014 and the senate matter. The real repubs are manuvering to position themselves to win. They know that they can't shut down the gov but many still believe that Obamacare is a failure and dangerous. I think the guys persuing this know it will fail under its own weight but also are jaded enough to believe that once in place, failure or not, you can't get rid of it. Others are content to watch it topple down over a period of time. Its the same outcome but two different strategies.
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2013, 09:13:37 AM »

damn.... i didn't know hilary left at 66% approval rating, even after benghazi?  unreal.  I can't see her losing the nomination in 2016 at the very least.  Repubs need to have their shit together to defeat her. 

66%, even after benghazi.  Mind-boggling.  People just don't care.  They just care about the name, personality.  I can just see wise ol bubba, a young and promising Chelsea with talk of her own senate office run... ugh, hilary is gonna win in 2016.  I can see it now.  chelsea will probably be president one day too.
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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2013, 09:20:39 AM »

Hillary Clinton is a palatable and qualified candidate.  Despite what the GOP says, the Obama Administration has been mostly successful.  Jobs are coming back, unemployment is going down, the housing market is rejuvenating, Bin Laden is at the bottom of the ocean...etc.

The problem that the GOP faces is having an internal fight with the Tea Party which is too crazy and unrealistic to even win an election..but drags down everyone with it.  Romney could have won the election if he didn't have to kiss their asses and go so far right that he drove off the cliff into defeat.


The GOP needs to return to the "Compassionate Conservative" path and dump the Tea Party crackpots out of the truck..
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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2013, 09:21:06 AM »

Good reasons.  BUT OBama is still at 46% approval rate.  After the insane bullshit he's pulled, still, 46% of americans love the dude.

It'll all come down to if the 2016 GOP candidate can DIFFERENTIATE him/herself from Hilary.  If they run a rubio/christie, with the RINO, amnesty crap... forget about it.  Issues become a wash and voters roll with the person who has been in the top level white house/senate since 92.  



Obama is at 46% because of the idiots like on this board who would defend him banging a goat on the WH lawn, racist blacks, radical lezbos, welfare mobs, guilt ridden white pos, etc  
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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2013, 09:28:38 AM »

Hillary Clinton is a palatable and qualified candidate.  Despite what the GOP says, the Obama Administration has been mostly successful.  Jobs are coming back, unemployment is going down, the housing market is rejuvenating, Bin Laden is at the bottom of the ocean...etc.

The problem that the GOP faces is having an internal fight with the Tea Party which is too crazy and unrealistic to even win an election..but drags down everyone with it.  Romney could have won the election if he didn't have to kiss their asses and go so far right that he drove off the cliff into defeat.


The GOP needs to return to the "Compassionate Conservative" path and dump the Tea Party crackpots out of the truck..


Are u fucking serious......if he wasn't black u wouldn't say it. He's a failure, the mid east is on fire. Jobs are gone or going part time, they're not coming back. Gas is atleast 2 bucks higher, taxes are higher, the world thinks he's a joke. You are a world class idiot.
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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2013, 09:30:16 AM »

Obama is at 46% because of the idiots like on this board who would defend him banging a goat on the WH lawn, racist blacks, radical lezbos, welfare mobs, guilt ridden white pos, etc 

yeah, but that's another thread.  nobody denies that.

33/soul crusher, what's your take on Hilary 2016?  A good chance of winning nomination and prez?  who are her biggest challengers on both sides of the aisles?  Who could really beat her?
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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2013, 09:32:02 AM »

Doesn't matter if hilary was a success, or a total failure. All that matters is the PERCEPTION of the job she's done.

66% of americans approved of her job as Sec of state when she left that position.  I thought it'd be 40.  unreal.
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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2013, 09:34:17 AM »

Hillary Clinton is a palatable and qualified candidate.  Despite what the GOP says, the Obama Administration has been mostly successful.  Jobs are coming back, unemployment is going down, the housing market is rejuvenating, Bin Laden is at the bottom of the ocean...etc.

The problem that the GOP faces is having an internal fight with the Tea Party which is too crazy and unrealistic to even win an election..but drags down everyone with it.  Romney could have won the election if he didn't have to kiss their asses and go so far right that he drove off the cliff into defeat.


The GOP needs to return to the "Compassionate Conservative" path and dump the Tea Party crackpots out of the truck..


Complete crap...the last 'compassionate conservative', (bush), wasn't a conservative at all and his administration was a disaster.
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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2013, 09:44:04 AM »

Complete crap...the last 'compassionate conservative', (bush), wasn't a conservative at all and his administration was a disaster.


George W. got his 8 years in unlike his father.  The Tea Party is all about..."holding the line" "death to homos, liberals and guys" " stockpile weapons" and Obama is a communist, socialist, Muslim Kenyan citizen"......

The Tea Party is not rational, goes all or nothing, and is responsible for holding the GOP hostage...resulting in pure mayhem Grin
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« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2013, 09:47:33 AM »


George W. got his 8 years in unlike his father.  The Tea Party is all about..."holding the line" "death to homos, liberals and guys" " stockpile weapons" and Obama is a communist, socialist, Muslim Kenyan citizen"......

The Tea Party is not rational, goes all or nothing, and is responsible for holding the GOP hostage...resulting in pure mayhem Grin

Obama is all of those things as well as a terrorist. 
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« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2013, 09:50:12 AM »

Unlike you left wing loons....nobody at any teaparty event ever said death to homo's...so lets stay with the facts. Its about fiscal responsibility.  Whether you're black, white or fucking purple you should not get access to my tax dollars for nothing. This was all liberal bullshit because they were scared. Nobody was scared of the hippies on wall street. All you had to do was watch the slow trainwreck that became and who was attracted to it. U blacks will never get it that Obama does not care about you. He's not black, was not raised black, does not have black friends. He was influenced by libs, domestic terrorists and communists. If he was  repub u idiots would call him an oreo.
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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2013, 09:52:03 AM »

Unlike you left wing loons....nobody at any teaparty event ever said death to homo's...so lets stay with the facts. Its about fiscal responsibility.  Whether you're black, white or fucking purple you should not get access to my tax dollars for nothing. This was all liberal bullshit because they were scared. Nobody was scared of the hippies on wall street. All you had to do was watch the slow trainwreck that became and who was attracted to it. U blacks will never get it that Obama does not care about you. He's not black, was not raised black, does not have black friends. He was influenced by libs, domestic terrorists and communists. If he was  repub u idiots would call him an oreo.

Blacks still supporting O-Ghetto should all do a collective hari kari.   A bunch of followers and nothing else despite the fact that things have only gotten worse for them under socialism of Obama. 
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« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2013, 11:23:01 AM »

LOL @ the derailing.

is hilary unbeatable in 2016?  Which getbigger will predict the man/woman that will topple the Clinton 2016 machine and win the job or even nomination from her?
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« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2013, 11:43:03 AM »

Unbeatable...are u friggen serious. Lets wait a bit until the dust settles on Libya first. She escaped before all the facts came out. Remember 240, people really don't like her. They like Bill. She's not the media darling, they abandoned her when they got the messiah. 2016 is a long way away.
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« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2013, 11:52:21 AM »

Unbeatable...are u friggen serious. Lets wait a bit until the dust settles on Libya first. She escaped before all the facts came out. Remember 240, people really don't like her. They like Bill. She's not the media darling, they abandoned her when they got the messiah. 2016 is a long way away.

They dont have to like her to vote for her.  She was one state away from the nomination in 2008... against a media creation obama... in rematach polls, she would have won.  I think she is unbeatable in 2012.  I dont see any dem rock stars, and i know repubs will obey hannity and levin and choose a moderate.
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« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2013, 11:54:03 AM »

They dont have to like her to vote for her.  She was one state away from the nomination in 2008... against a media creation obama... in rematach polls, she would have won.  I think she is unbeatable in 2012.  I dont see any dem rock stars, and i know repubs will obey hannity and levin and choose a moderate.

You will kneepad and vote for her just like you did  o-TWINK
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« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2013, 03:01:18 PM »

You will kneepad and vote for her just like you did  o-TWINK

LOL, hey listen man, those days are over.  I didn't razz you for kneepadding the today show hosts, you can't razz me for future kneepadding I have not yet even committed.

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