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Re: Liver Tumors
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2013, 02:41:15 PM »
heme-iron related

seriously gotta be ignorant to ignore the heme-iron data

my brain was intune with it around 24 that is still young as fuck but already smarter than people twice my age

people are just fucking stupid and deserve what they get, im sorry but its the truth
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Re: Liver Tumors
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2013, 02:57:00 PM »
I know that guy and he is one of two NH bodybuilders to develop liver tumors.  The other guy Nate Quinn had a football size tumor removed after winning Cutler.  

Around the 2:30 mark you will see Nate winning and what follows.  He won 2013 Europa Battle of Champions after coming back from the surgery.  Both young guys in their 20's.


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Re: Liver Tumors
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2013, 03:27:00 PM »
Not a whiff in the story that it is PEDs related. Said he kept up on his bloodwork. He does make a semi-sarcastic comment about training "without supplements".

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Re: Liver Tumors
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2013, 03:53:13 PM »
drugs or not

heme-iron is the fucking issue

end of thread
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Re: Liver Tumors
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2013, 06:26:04 PM »
Anabolic steroids cause hepatic adenomas
Benign but potentially malignant tumors that commonly rupture

Every time I see a male patient with one, I ask him "so what's your stack like?"

Hasn't failed me in 8 years

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Re: Liver Tumors
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2013, 06:27:38 PM »
  I go with ether

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Re: Liver Tumors
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2013, 06:48:03 PM »
Anabolic steroids cause hepatic adenomas
Benign but potentially malignant tumors that commonly rupture

Every time I see a male patient with one, I ask him "so what's your stack like?"

Hasn't failed me in 8 years

Are you a Dr?  Do you think HGH speeds up the growth of these tumors?  Also do you think estrogen spikes which can occur with cycling AAS is a main cause of hepatic adenomas in bodybuilders?

I know of at least three young bodybuilders to have these tumors (two malignant).  

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Re: Liver Tumors
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2013, 06:50:29 PM »

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Re: Liver Tumors
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2013, 06:51:05 PM »
 ether has been working in hospitals for a long time     liver specific

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Re: Liver Tumors
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2013, 06:58:03 PM »
ether has been working in hospitals for a long time     liver specific

I assumed that and I hope he will answer my follow up questions.

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Re: Liver Tumors
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2013, 06:59:38 PM »
 He is in Hepatology

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Re: Liver Tumors
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2013, 07:43:39 PM »
heme-iron related

seriously gotta be ignorant to ignore the heme-iron data

my brain was intune with it around 24 that is still young as fuck but already smarter than people twice my age

people are just fucking stupid and deserve what they get, im sorry but its the truth

There is no heme-iron data, aside from unscientific and completely unsupported claims.  If you think otherwise, then you are ignorant or "fucking stupid". 

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Re: Liver Tumors
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2013, 08:05:38 PM »
There is no heme-iron data, aside from unscientific and completely unsupported claims.  If you think otherwise, then you are ignorant or "fucking stupid". 
hahhah keep spreading the disinformation machine asshole you are a paid poster fagget
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Re: Liver Tumors
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2013, 10:20:07 PM »
hahhah keep spreading the disinformation machine asshole you are a paid poster fagget


Hahahahahahaha.   Wow, glad I got that out of my system!

OK, so please post a few references to scientific studies that support your heme-iron theories.  Nutcakes don't count.

Until then, shaddup and get your shine box peanut butter.

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Re: Liver Tumors
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2013, 11:27:34 PM »
drugs or not

heme-iron is the fucking issue

end of thread

Why would you say that Falcon? Heme-Iron is the preferred dietary source of iron in the body, whereas non-heme iron has numerous issues.
http://www.mckinley.illinois.edu/handouts/dietary_sources_iron.html

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Re: Liver Tumors
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2013, 01:32:36 AM »
Had a liver ultrasound, glad everything is ok. 

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Re: Liver Tumors
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2013, 02:07:57 AM »
I feel bad for this guys, but when you abuse steroids and mostly orals bad things are going to happen.
It's bad luck but the user is the only one to blaime.

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Re: Liver Tumors
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2013, 02:10:15 AM »
The guy sounds like a Kris Dim disciple.

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Re: Liver Tumors
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2013, 03:07:08 AM »
Are you a Dr?  Do you think HGH speeds up the growth of these tumors?  Also do you think estrogen spikes which can occur with cycling AAS is a main cause of hepatic adenomas in bodybuilders?

I know of at least three young bodybuilders to have these tumors (two malignant).  

Are you stupid or something? HGH speeds up everything which can grow in human body, including tumors. How the hell you can prevent that, if everything grow with the same hormone. You know, GH gut doesn't come from the lack of the GH, it comes when human body has too much of it..

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Re: Liver Tumors
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2013, 08:53:24 AM »
Anabolic steroids cause hepatic adenomas
Benign but potentially malignant tumors that commonly rupture

Every time I see a male patient with one, I ask him "so what's your stack like?"

Hasn't failed me in 8 years

Is this primarily an oral steroid thing, or would, say, a small run of Cyp do the same thing?

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Re: Liver Tumors
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2013, 09:06:54 AM »
Not a whiff in the story that it is PEDs related. Said he kept up on his bloodwork. He does make a semi-sarcastic comment about training "without supplements".

Yes, that's disappointing, so we can only assume the cause(s) like the use of orals like Superdrol, PEDs combined with recreational drugs, genetics, etc..

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Re: Liver Tumors
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2013, 09:08:04 AM »
Wasn't Munzer's stomach full of tumors?  I venture to guess that there are quite a few bodybuilders with tumors in their bodies and they don't even know it.

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Re: Liver Tumors
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2013, 09:30:50 AM »
Girls and sons who have not been loved by their fathers seek attention once teens and adults to compensate for what they didnt have originally. Fathers either left them alone, or were distant most of the time and not encouraging them. Some even despised them which would shape their personality and the way they d interact with others for the rest of their life.
They are extremistic in everything they do, always looking exageratly for attention, and have troubles adapting to society's rules, because they also have troubles defining their own identity and respecting authority and hierarchy.


Also boys who got picked on by others during childhood and adolescence -often sons without a father figure- try to compensate by lifting weights, to develop muscles and survive in ther male world. They re insecure because they re girly, childish, feminine having been raised by a single mom. They lift obsessively hoping it will transform them into men, to compensate for their lack of influence from a father figure that was not there. Unfortunaltey they can get as big as they can it doesnt cure their insecurity and who they truly are, how they grew up being raised by a single mom. They re no as manly as other men whatever they do, and they often have a big lack of masculine presence they dont know how to balance, hence often being borderline homosexuals while trying to get their manhood back thru various manly activities (mma, cars, weight lifting etc). They are often the ones that, in order to get respect from other males will go the steroids route to get even "bigger" attemptint to cure their insecurity , but being natural not being "enough", they still feel "too small", insecure, amongst other males. The lack of a father figure also often means they didnt have guidance to continue studies and are often working shitty manual jobs.

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Re: Liver Tumors
« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2013, 09:34:07 AM »
Are you stupid or something? HGH speeds up everything which can grow in human body, including tumors. How the hell you can prevent that, if everything grow with the same hormone. You know, GH gut doesn't come from the lack of the GH, it comes when human body has too much of it..

Yes I must be stupid for wanting to see more peer reviewed data supporting this supposition. In a short google search one can find dramatically conflicting data.

“A study by D. Bartlett and associates tested the effect of HGH on tumor-bearing rats. They found that HGH treatment did not increase the size of the tumor or cause the cancer to spread. In fact, the hormone inhibited tumor growth.”

“A study reported in the American Journal of Diseases of Children by S.A. Arlanian involved 34 children with brain tumors. Half of this group received HGH as part of their recovery treatment. The HGH group had a lower incidence of tumor recurrence.”

Dr. E. Martin Ritzen

“During the estimated 150,000 patient hours of HGH treatment between 1988 and 1992 the incidence of malignancies was either the same or lower than that of the general population.”   

Drawing conclusions based on supposition has no merit.