sick strength at 188bw

[a_ahmed]

Great physique and aesthetics plus good athleticism. Haters can hate, respect. Natural? Who cares about that anymore, no one's natural anymore lol. Give em more tren.

[ProudVirgin69]

His power clean form, oh brother

Honest question, how much can a o-lifter power clean compared to his full clean?  Do they ever make use of power cleans in their training?

[Cleanest Natural]

vertical is very far from 40 inches ..

[deceiver]

Honest question, how much can a o-lifter power clean compared to his full clean?  Do they ever make use of power cleans in their training?

Ilya Ilin could power clean 200kg and clean around 240kg. They do power cleans, you can see that a lot in their videos. Of course that also depends on training philosophy. I wouldn't expect Bulgarians to power clean a lot unless injured, Russians do a lot of weird exotic exercises so of course they power clean as well, Chinese are also different in that aspect (somewhere in the middle between Russians and Bulgarians). As for how does power clean translate to full clean, you could easily google "expected" ratio, I am sure Poliquin has it somewhere. I don't know what that is and I won't lie. It usually depends on your speed, technique and of course leg strength. Huge back strength, small leg strength = big power clean, weak clean. I know guys who power clean as much as 140kg and clean under 160kg. Another interesting fact, loosely related to your question is one Oly lifter who could c&j 240kg but military press only 90kg. Shows how much can be gained through technique and leg strength. Bottom line, if you can squat 300kg and have perfect technique nothing else matters really it seems

I have terrible power clean form/clean form as I treat that as accessory exercise for powerlifting and not much experience. This kid is by all means strong, 140kg power clean is no joke but his form will wreck him very soon.

[ProudVirgin69]

Awesome, thanks for the thorough explanation.

It's a big lift here for football training, but I only see them done w shitty form and too much weight. 

Am i correct in thinking that lighter weights and perfect form would do more for increasing explosiveness/vertical leap/triple extension, than hoisting a ton of weight up with lose form?

[#1 Klaus fan]

Another interesting fact, loosely related to your question is one Oly lifter who could c&j 240kg but military press only 90kg. Shows how much can be gained through technique and leg strength. Bottom line, if you can squat 300kg and have perfect technique nothing else matters really it seems

He is a true and unique outlier. He was a 105 kg or +105 lifter right? Most of those guys can press about 150 kg or even more. I followed a lifter on the internet that chased a 200 kg clean and jerk but couldn't nail it most of the time. He too pressed about 90 kg. He started to bench for remedy. In a few months he was stronger and started to nail that 200 kg clean and jerk.

Hossein Rezazadeh had a very strong pull and rode most of his cleans down after catching them quite high. Here is a good video of that.

[deceiver]

He is a true and unique outlier. He was a 105 kg or +105 lifter right? Most of those guys can press about 150 kg or even more. I followed a lifter on the internet that chased a 200 kg clean and jerk but couldn't nail it most of the time. He too pressed about 90 kg. He started to bench for remedy. In a few months he was stronger and started to nail that 200 kg clean and jerk.

Hossein Rezazadeh had a very strong pull and rode most of his cleans down after catching them quite high. Here is a good video of that.

Yes indeed, most of them just do whatever it takes and try to be as strong as possible everywhere and abuse drugs for that purpose just like anyone else. For technicians like Polish or Chinese lifters technique is pretty much a given, they all start very young and devote hours in their youth to master their form. By the way, there is no understanding on what correct technique really is For example in clean you can observe that Chinese lifters don't spread their legs during the "jump". They just stand still. My friend's coach (Polish) claims that's a mistake. At that point obviously it is all about strength and injuries so everything lays in genetics and drugs.

ProudVirgin well, in oly lifts usually weight goes after technique. I have respectable squat for my bodyweight but never could translate that into the clean since my technique blows. My clean is HORRIBLE. I suggest finding a Olympic coach and following what he says. Otherwise learning proper technique is quite tricky and requires a lot of research, analysis of your own mistakes and step by step analysis of technique of masters. More technique translates to more weight which translates to better performance in your sport. Bad technique limits your strength, greatly increases risk of injuries and usually gives less. To learn technique use moderate to low weights. Sometimes the issue is not the technique itself, sometimes it's question of time or lack of mobility. To address that you REALLY need someone who knows this stuff. I don't see 10% of what my friends can see and they cannot see 1% of what good coach can see.

[ProudVirgin69]

Oh no, not for me.....I lift/diet strictly for aesthetics lol

I was speaking for sports performance.  There are some lifts where brute strength is most important...bench press, squats, deadlifts. Form can be a bit looser to still reap the benefits on the playing field

 But it seems like if you want your power clean to translate to a higher jump or faster sprint,  focusing on pristine technique would be more important than increasing the weight at all costs.  Is this way of thinking correct?

Because here, 95% of power cleans that you'll see are utter shit.   They make the worst squat look great.  Ok sure they'll get three plates up to their shoulders, but man does it look ugly.

[deceiver]

Oh no, not for me.....I lift/diet strictly for aesthetics lol

I was speaking for sports performance.  There are some lifts where brute strength is most important...bench press, squats, deadlifts. Form can be a bit looser to still reap the benefits on the playing field

 But it seems like if you want your power clean to translate to a higher jump or faster sprint,  focusing on pristine technique would be more important than increasing the weight at all costs.  Is this way of thinking correct?

Because here, 95% of power cleans that you'll see are utter shit.   They make the worst squat look great.  Ok sure they'll get three plates up to their shoulders, but man does it look ugly.

Well, olympic lifts are different in that aspect. In deadlift your technique sometimes breaks when you make 100% attempt and you still can perform a good lift. In oly lifts, if your technique breaks then you just don't complete the lift, period. There are minor exceptions but generally the better technique, the more you lift so question - is technique more important than the weight is senseless. That is what I was trying to explain.

Generally the way this guy lifts is not optimal, if he performer his lift better he could easily clean 180kg or more AND that would be more beneficial for sport. For vertical jumps etc. the speed, explosive part of the oly lift is most important and to be fast your technique must be perfect.

So overall answer to your question is both yes and no. Yes, more technique = more benefits but at the same time if someone cannot lift 160kg properly he cannot lift 60kg properly as well, it's just not as apparent so there's no "technique vs poundage", technique=weight.

[The Showstoppa]

vertical is very far from 40 inches ..

Is that what he claims?  FFS people are idiots in that regard.  Even NBA guy exaggerate the hell out of theirs. 

[rocket]

In my experience, the machine using fraternity hate a dude who looks like he barely lifts (in a shirt), yet completely outlifts them.  I love that look that lack of comprehension, they're unable to hide - when a guy twice your size - who has cohabited a gym with you for years, yet has never been seen near the more serious lifting area, is doing 225 smith machine squats (with the towel over his shoulders to protect his traps) watches you do something that he can't conceive, because he's too limited and lazy to have the willpower to explore how strength goes a hell of a lot further than bulking does.

Who gives a fuck about juice?  There are plenty of natural guys who will put most of you to shame in terms of strength.  It means less than you think.  Strength goes a long way - much further than size, for most people.  They just don't know it does.

I'd rather be that guy in the vid (personality, fashion and religion aside) than your average weak minded juicehound  who has to hide the fact he's actually pretty fucking weak for his size.  Massive props from his non lifting friends but is a pussycat in the gym (unless you count stalking around the pec deck as territory, worth owning) 

The only good juicer is one who is as strong as he is large.  That's a man. 

[The Showstoppa]

In my experience, the machine using fraternity hate a dude who looks like he barely lifts (in a shirt), yet completely outlifts them.  I love that look that lack of comprehension, they're unable to hide - when a guy twice your size - who has cohabited a gym with you for years, yet has never been seen near the more serious lifting area, is doing 225 smith machine squats (with the towel over his shoulders to protect his traps) watches you do something that he can't conceive, because he's too limited and lazy to have the willpower to explore how strength goes a hell of a lot further than bulking does.

Who gives a fuck about juice?  There are plenty of natural guys who will put most of you to shame in terms of strength.  It means less than you think.  Strength goes a long way - much further than size, for most people.  They just don't know it does.

I'd rather be that guy in the vid (personality, fashion and religion aside) than your average weak minded juicehound  who has to hide the fact he's actually pretty fucking weak for his size.  Massive props from his non lifting friends but is a pussycat in the gym (unless you count stalking around the pec deck as territory, worth owning) 

The only good juicer is one who is as strong as he is large.  That's a man. 

Thanks for posting Eric. 

[BB]

Honest question, how much can a o-lifter power clean compared to his full clean?  Do they ever make use of power cleans in their training?

The usual standard was 85 to 90% of the Full Clean should be able to be Power Cleaned by an advanced athlete. Most were at the higher end of that spectrum.

John Broz use to put a flat number of 20 - 25 kg gained by Full Clean vs. Power .

[ProudVirgin69]

In my experience, the machine using fraternity hate a dude who looks like he barely lifts (in a shirt), yet completely outlifts them.  I love that look that lack of comprehension, they're unable to hide - when a guy twice your size - who has cohabited a gym with you for years, yet has never been seen near the more serious lifting area, is doing 225 smith machine squats (with the towel over his shoulders to protect his traps) watches you do something that he can't conceive, because he's too limited and lazy to have the willpower to explore how strength goes a hell of a lot further than bulking does.

Who gives a fuck about juice?  There are plenty of natural guys who will put most of you to shame in terms of strength.  It means less than you think.  Strength goes a long way - much further than size, for most people.  They just don't know it does.

I'd rather be that guy in the vid (personality, fashion and religion aside) than your average weak minded juicehound  who has to hide the fact he's actually pretty fucking weak for his size.  Massive props from his non lifting friends but is a pussycat in the gym (unless you count stalking around the pec deck as territory, worth owning) 

The only good juicer is one who is as strong as he is large.  That's a man. 

Sounds like you lost your girl to one of these "weak juiceheads" or something.  Strong&small, big&weak, who cares? if you're good at what you do and you accomplish what you set out do, sounds like you're doing it right.

Personally, I don't care what i lift so long as my physique gets better.... but if strength is what you're after, fair game.  I respect hard work and progress in the gym, irrespective of your goals

[Cleanest Natural]

Is that what he claims?  FFS people are idiots in that regard.  Even NBA guy exaggerate the hell out of theirs. 

he managed to run jump and touch the rim .. WOW! 

[rocket]

Sounds like you lost your girl to one of these "weak juiceheads" or something.  Strong&small, big&weak, who cares? if you're good at what you do and you accomplish what you set out do, sounds like you're doing it right.

Personally, I don't care what i lift so long as my physique gets better.... but if strength is what you're after, fair game.  I respect hard work and progress in the gym, irrespective of your goals

Heh, fuck no.  I've said before on this board - I'm a pretty ugly guy.  I can lose a woman to anybody, if we're going to go on appearance.  Not in the least bit worried about a juicer taking a woman off me.

I can respect your mindset - but I could never have it - I mean, we all know what being large and whatnot represents in society.  It represents strength and (erroneously) toughness.  I'm a pretty honest guy (as you can probably tell) and I could never live a lie where all the people around me think my inflated muscles are indicative of some super power - when in fact I'm turning up to the gym and camping out at the smith machine / pec deck for an hour.  

It really doesn't matter, either way, I guess - but there are a lot of weak minded people everywhere, who explain away a dude who is strong by how he's clearly juicing.  I'm guessing you might not be that type - but those people - they're the ones who are getting butthurt over reality slapping them in the face.  I watch that guy's videos and it's just totally irrelevant to me whether he's juicing.  Strong dudes - they just don't give a fuck.  Good lifts, either way.  

[deceiver]

Sounds like you lost your girl to one of these "weak juiceheads" or something.  Strong&small, big&weak, who cares? if you're good at what you do and you accomplish what you set out do, sounds like you're doing it right.

Personally, I don't care what i lift so long as my physique gets better.... but if strength is what you're after, fair game.  I respect hard work and progress in the gym, irrespective of your goals

This.

[The Showstoppa]

he managed to run jump and touch the rim .. WOW! 

I can still manage that and I am done. 

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