need final opinion on my first cycle before i start

[BigBlock]

Weeks 1-10 500 mg of test enthatate (inject on Monday)

14 days after last shot
week 1 - 50 mg clomid/40 mg nolva ED
week 2 - 100 mg clomid/40 mg nolva ED
week 3 - 50 mg clomid/20 mg nolva ED
week 4 - 20 mg nolva ED

I have the liquid clomid and liquid nolva, but have yet to buy the test until I was 100% sure what I am going to go with.  Is it that big of a deal not to run anything for the first 3 weeks or should I use the Superdrol I have during the first 3 weeks until the test starts kickin in?  Thanx all.

[DIVISION]

DIVISIONAL CHANGES:

Weeks 1-4   50 mg D-bol
Weeks 1-10 500 mg of Test enthatate
Weeks 1-10 Arimidex 1MG eod
Weeks 1-10 HCG 300-500IU E4D

Weeks 14-17 - 20-50 mg nolva ED



You can either wait 21 days after your cycle to start PCT, to let the Enanthate clear your system or extend your cycle by 3 weeks and use Test Prop so there is no dropoff between cycle and PCT.





DIV

[Luv2Hurt]

Yes I think finishinig on the prop is an excellent way to end a cycle.  Like you state really prevents the drop off and gets you recovering ASAP when used with proper PCT, which is the ultimate goal.  People must realize controlling E while on is also very important.

Prop is such a versitle AAS....if someone could pick one juice i think that should be it, yeah, yeah the frequent injects suck.  But it is the easiest to control, and this is important, especially if you ever have to bale out of a cycle.

[BigBlock]

What if I ran superdrol at 30 mg a day for week 1-4 instead of the d-bol?

[DIVISION]

What if I ran superdrol at 30 mg a day for week 1-4 instead of the d-bol?

I said D-bol......but go ahead with the Superdrol if that's what you want.





DIV

[muscle19]

i would go with dbol bro like DIV mentioned, ull be better off


muscle

[BigBlock]

Alright I'm going to go with the d-bol 50 mg a day.  But question is my source supposedly has custom capsules that are 50 mg each.  I know most people say to spread the dose out throughout the day but since that wno't be possible when would be the best time to take it?

[muscle19]

i would take it the same time every day ( i liked taking it before workouts, fro me, they give me alittle more edge)


muscle

[Loomis]

Alright I'm going to go with the d-bol 50 mg a day.  But question is my source supposedly has custom capsules that are 50 mg each.  I know most people say to spread the dose out throughout the day but since that wno't be possible when would be the best time to take it?

You don't need the dbol. Even if you did, 50mg/ed is alot. I say you should stick with what you had in the first place. Why complicate things unneccesarily?

[SUPREME BEING]

DIVISIONAL CHANGES:

Weeks 1-4   50 mg D-bol
Weeks 1-10 500 mg of Test enthatate
Weeks 1-10 Arimidex 1MG eod
Weeks 1-10 HCG 300-500IU E4D

Weeks 14-17 - 20-50 mg nolva ED



You can either wait 21 days after your cycle to start PCT, to let the Enanthate clear your system or extend your cycle by 3 weeks and use Test Prop so there is no dropoff between cycle and PCT.





DIV

Just wondering if you recommend Armidex instead of Nolva. Armidex is far more expensive to Novla but would it really make that much difference compared to the effect of Nolva (especially for someone only running 500mg Test) ? Thanks for any advice?

[gammahydroxy]

i would only use nolvadex if i was using 500mg of test...A little estrogen is favorable on cycle..

[DIVISION]

Just wondering if you recommend Armidex instead of Nolva. Armidex is far more expensive to Novla but would it really make that much difference compared to the effect of Nolva (especially for someone only running 500mg Test) ? Thanks for any advice?

Good point.

It's optional, depending on if the kid is Gyno prone.

Nolvadex can hinder gains, so it's really up to him.




DIV

[Loomis]

i would only use nolvadex if i was using 500mg of test...A little estrogen is favorable on cycle..

agree, unless you show gyno signs or the bloat is out of control, skip the AI's.

[BigBlock]

Good point.

It's optional, depending on if the kid is Gyno prone.

Nolvadex can hinder gains, so it's really up to him.

DIV

I did have some problems with it when I came off of superdrol so I have ample of nolva on hand, but only plan on using it if I have to and then for PCT. 

[Luv2Hurt]

The down side to not controlling estrogen or aromatase on cycle is it will make it harder to come off AAS successfully.  That's because during the lull when your just off gear and your natty test has not come back on, there will be an over-riding level of E in your system.  This will cause many of the problems associated with a slow recovery....loss of gains, fat gain, moodiness, depression....etc, etc.

Do very much agree that allowing E on cycle will increase gains..........but it's a double edge sword.

[downandout]

why use only test? throw in some dbol for 4 weeks and some deca or bold, your first cycle will be your best wo don't waste it. and you don't need to use clomid and nolva thru the entire cycle, use it about 3 weeks after your last test injection, unless you get gyno symtoms.

[gammahydroxy]

I have the liquid clomid and liquid nolva,

remember that you must dose liquid nolvadex higher than nolvadex tabs...Each real 20 mg nolvadex tab has 30mg of tomax citrate in it.
The studies that were done on nolvadex raising t-scores were done using a 20mg tablet of nolvadex.

40mg nolvadex=60mg nolvadex citrate(liquid)
20mg nolvadex=30mg nolvadex citrate(liquid)

[Luv2Hurt]

Good info, i did not know that, was thinking going with the liquid next time, thats good to know