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ObamaCare destroyed by my math calculation in 4 lines.
« on: October 18, 2013, 01:25:54 PM »
30 Million people w/o Health Insurance
300 million people in this country
600 million dollars on a website for ACA (Which still does not work).




Remind me again why we need GhettoCare?


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Re: ObamaCare destroyed by my math calculation in 4 lines.
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2013, 01:30:15 PM »
Is it 30 million people or 50 million without insurance?

I can't keep with the libtard lies?

And lets try not to count the illegal immigrants, the people that are only uninsured because they went without work for a few months and the young people who don't get insurance because they don't want to and really, don't need to.

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Re: ObamaCare destroyed by my math calculation in 4 lines.
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2013, 09:39:41 AM »
Is it 30 million people or 50 million without insurance?

I can't keep with the libtard lies?

And lets try not to count the illegal immigrants, the people that are only uninsured because they went without work for a few months and the young people who don't get insurance because they don't want to and really, don't need to.

What would you do about medical care and its cost for people who don't have insurance? Sure, young people need medical care less than do older people.  So if a young person gets sick and cannot afford care today, what happens now.  You pay for it.

So you don't think its fair to require the young person to cover his or her own medical costs?  Why not?

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Re: ObamaCare destroyed by my math calculation in 4 lines.
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2013, 09:45:51 AM »
What would you do about medical care and its cost for people who don't have insurance? Sure, young people need medical care less than do older people.  So if a young person gets sick and cannot afford care today, what happens now.  You pay for it.

So you don't think its fair to require the young person to cover his or her own medical costs?  Why not?
you arent forcing them to cover their medical costs b/c they either arent going to sign up for it or will receive subsidies from those older who are better off.

tell me how that is forcing them to cover their own medical cost?

this is nothing more than another govt hand out with the hard earned tax dollars of others.

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Re: ObamaCare destroyed by my math calculation in 4 lines.
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2013, 10:13:37 AM »
you arent forcing them to cover their medical costs b/c they either arent going to sign up for it or will receive subsidies from those older who are better off.

tell me how that is forcing them to cover their own medical cost?

this is nothing more than another govt hand out with the hard earned tax dollars of others.

If you don't buy a policy and you are not covered by an employer plan, you pay a fine to the IRS.  That fine  for a healthy young person, is going to cost more than a basic catastrophic coverage policy for that person.  So it just makes sense to buy the coverage.

Most people don't get subsidies. 

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Re: ObamaCare destroyed by my math calculation in 4 lines.
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2013, 10:19:27 AM »
Obamacare is based on fraud and a lie.   Young people are not going to sign up and he system will collapse

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Re: ObamaCare destroyed by my math calculation in 4 lines.
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2013, 10:23:09 AM »
Obamacare is based on fraud and a lie.   Young people are not going to sign up and he system will collapse

Good rebut, it's socialist communism nazis

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Re: ObamaCare destroyed by my math calculation in 4 lines.
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2013, 03:23:12 PM »
If you don't buy a policy and you are not covered by an employer plan, you pay a fine to the IRS.  That fine  for a healthy young person, is going to cost more than a basic catastrophic coverage policy for that person.  So it just makes sense to buy the coverage.

Most people don't get subsidies. 
ahhhh no jack ass that fine this year is below $100....how is that more than the premiums and deductible for any basic health coverage even if you prorate the rest of the year.

obviously you are woefully ignorant of this law and the healthcare system in general!!!!

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Re: ObamaCare destroyed by my math calculation in 4 lines.
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2013, 03:53:41 PM »
If you don't buy a policy and you are not covered by an employer plan, you pay a fine to the IRS.  That fine  for a healthy young person, is going to cost more than a basic catastrophic coverage policy for that person.  So it just makes sense to buy the coverage.

Most people don't get subsidies. 

Would you consider the fine a tax of sorts? The government isn't directly providing the coverage so why are they collecting a fine?  Serious question.
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Re: ObamaCare destroyed by my math calculation in 4 lines.
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2013, 09:35:13 PM »
ahhhh no jack ass that fine this year is below $100....how is that more than the premiums and deductible for any basic health coverage even if you prorate the rest of the year.

obviously you are woefully ignorant of this law and the healthcare system in general!!!!

You are the dunce my friend.  In the first year the fine is the greater of $95 or 1% of the person's income.

By 2016, it becomes $695 or 2.5%.

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Re: ObamaCare destroyed by my math calculation in 4 lines.
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2013, 09:55:39 PM »
Would you consider the fine a tax of sorts? The government isn't directly providing the coverage so why are they collecting a fine?  Serious question.

The president has always referred to it as a fine, doubtless because that sounds better than a new tax.

But to your point, when the Supreme Court decided on the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act, they also felt the "fine" was in fact a tax.

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Re: ObamaCare destroyed by my math calculation in 4 lines.
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2013, 05:54:03 AM »
The president has always referred to it as a fine, doubtless because that sounds better than a new tax.

But to your point, when the Supreme Court decided on the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act, they also felt the "fine" was in fact a tax.

Thank you, Go. 
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Re: ObamaCare destroyed by my math calculation in 4 lines.
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2013, 07:35:58 AM »
You are the dunce my friend.  In the first year the fine is the greater of $95 or 1% of the person's income.

By 2016, it becomes $695 or 2.5%.
and again I ask, how is 95 or 1% greater than the amount of premiums and deductibles offered by these plans?

do you even have health care? I pay more in a month than $95

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Re: ObamaCare destroyed by my math calculation in 4 lines.
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2013, 07:37:57 AM »
oh yea then theres the reasonable chance that the penalty wont even apply to you if you dont have insurance....

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/10/20/obamacare-penalties-3-things-to-know-before-2014.aspx

Even if you aren't insured for most of 2014, there's still a reasonable chance that the penalties won't apply to you. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that of the 30 million Americans who likely won't have coverage in 2016, only 6 million or so will be subject to financial penalties.
 
Several groups of people are exempted by law from paying the Obamcare penalties. If the lowest-cost insurance plan is more than 8% of your income, for example, you won't be stuck with a fine if you don't obtain coverage. You can also apply for economic hardship exemptions.

face it, youre woefully ignorant of this law and its applications. I am starting to think you really dont even understand how health insurance in general works.

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Re: ObamaCare destroyed by my math calculation in 4 lines.
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2013, 07:44:22 AM »
Take your household income, then subtract $20,000 if you have a family and $10,000 if you don't. Multiply that number by 1%. You'll owe the greater of the resulting amount and the minimum penalty mentioned above. Probably. The exception to this rule is that no one will be required to pay more than the average annual premium for a bronze plan (lowest-cost option) in Obamacare.


did you forget the part where you get to subtract 10K at a minimum from your income?

Im guessing you just plain didnt know, which would be par for the course

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Re: ObamaCare destroyed by my math calculation in 4 lines.
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2013, 08:01:19 AM »
The president has always referred to it as a fine, doubtless because that sounds better than a new tax.

But to your point, when the Supreme Court decided on the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act, they also felt the "fine" was in fact a tax.

Another thing, it would be nice to have an accounting of where the money collected from fines goes. I truly hope it doesn't go into a general fund of some kind.  Using that money for anything other than offsetting subsidy costs seems wrong.
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Re: ObamaCare destroyed by my math calculation in 4 lines.
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2013, 11:04:10 AM »
30 Million people w/o Health Insurance
300 million people in this country
600 million dollars on a website for ACA (Which still does not work).




Remind me again why we need GhettoCare?





tax 90% of income above $1million...

problem solved and then some

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Re: ObamaCare destroyed by my math calculation in 4 lines.
« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2013, 03:13:28 PM »
Take your household income, then subtract $20,000 if you have a family and $10,000 if you don't. Multiply that number by 1%. You'll owe the greater of the resulting amount and the minimum penalty mentioned above. Probably. The exception to this rule is that no one will be required to pay more than the average annual premium for a bronze plan (lowest-cost option) in Obamacare.


did you forget the part where you get to subtract 10K at a minimum from your income?

Im guessing you just plain didnt know, which would be par for the course

And for a healthy twenty-five year old, I believe the average cost of the highest deductible bronze plan is under $190/month, which comes to $2,280/year.  So if you're in this age group, you would have to be making less than $22,800/year for your health insurance to cost less.

It is also true that deductibles will be adjusted over time.  They may be higher in some cases, lower in others, depending on the amount of competition among carriers and the number of uninsured who sign up.

Yes, I do have insurance.  It now costs me $1,450 a month for my family of three.  Under Obamacare, it will become $981/month.  Deductible will be $200 more per year.

A version of Obamacare is implemented in Massachusetts and most people in that state are happy with it.  It has also not destroyed the Massachusetts economy, the last time I looked.

Hey, I'm glad you did some reading and caught that bit about 1% of income.  Don't forget, that starts increasing almost immediately.  The idea is to support a gradual transition for those who don't have coverage now and will be picking it up for the first time.




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Re: ObamaCare destroyed by my math calculation in 4 lines.
« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2013, 04:09:20 PM »
and again I ask, how is 95 or 1% greater than the amount of premiums and deductibles offered by these plans?

do you even have health care? I pay more in a month than $95



Yes...Tony bringing down some pain.

And, they will probably keep them below as part of the reason the SCOTUS gave for interpreting it as a tax was that it was below the cost of insurance as well as collected by the IRS.


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Re: ObamaCare destroyed by my math calculation in 4 lines.
« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2013, 04:14:00 PM »


tax 90% of income above $1million...

problem solved and then some

Can we please ban the Canadian trolls from our political board? (no offense WOOO, you know I love your work on the G&O board)

Maybe Ron could create a "Mediocre Canadian Politics" sub board where they can discuss how unexceptional they are?

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Re: ObamaCare destroyed by my math calculation in 4 lines.
« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2013, 04:22:35 PM »
And for a healthy twenty-five year old, I believe the average cost of the highest deductible bronze plan is under $190/month, which comes to $2,280/year.  So if you're in this age group, you would have to be making less than $22,800/year for your health insurance to cost less.

It is also true that deductibles will be adjusted over time.  They may be higher in some cases, lower in others, depending on the amount of competition among carriers and the number of uninsured who sign up.

Yes, I do have insurance.  It now costs me $1,450 a month for my family of three.  Under Obamacare, it will become $981/month.  Deductible will be $200 more per year.

A version of Obamacare is implemented in Massachusetts and most people in that state are happy with it.  It has also not destroyed the Massachusetts economy, the last time I looked.

Hey, I'm glad you did some reading and caught that bit about 1% of income.  Don't forget, that starts increasing almost immediately.  The idea is to support a gradual transition for those who don't have coverage now and will be picking it up for the first time.
ok first your using deductible where premium should be, the deductible is what you pay when you get sick and go to the doctor...THE PREMIUM is what you pay monthly!!!!

so again the penalty is much less than the premium paid, annually...SO what makes you think a person who doesnt have insurance now will sign up for it if its cheaper not to?


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Re: ObamaCare destroyed by my math calculation in 4 lines.
« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2013, 06:46:53 PM »
Can we please ban the Canadian trolls from our political board? (no offense WOOO, you know I love your work on the G&O board)

Maybe Ron could create a "Mediocre Canadian Politics" sub board where they can discuss how unexceptional they are?

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that would be nice...


sad [art is you know i am right... it's the tax structure that caused americant to flourish in the first place...

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Re: ObamaCare destroyed by my math calculation in 4 lines.
« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2013, 06:49:26 PM »
Iowa Insurance Enrollments Begin Trickling In
by Associated Press
October 20, 2013 10:19 AM

Iowa residents are slowly exploring their options under President Barack Obama's health care law after technical glitches stalled the rollout of the new online insurance marketplaces.
   
Detailed enrollment data is unavailable because the federal government, which is running the exchanges in Iowa and 35 other states, has not provided any numbers since the marketplaces were launched Oct. 1.
   
But Leigh R. McGivern , a spokeswoman for CoOportunity Health, one of the two insurance companies participating in the Iowa exchange, says they have had 16 people enroll in plans using the exchange during the first two weeks.
   
A spokeswoman for Iowa's other exchange provider, Coventry Health Care of Iowa, says it's too soon to release any numbers.
   
The Obama administration isn't expected to provide enrollment data until later in the fall.

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Re: ObamaCare destroyed by my math calculation in 4 lines.
« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2013, 06:52:56 PM »
16 - LMFAO!

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Re: ObamaCare destroyed by my math calculation in 4 lines.
« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2013, 06:54:35 PM »
16 - LMFAO!

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone, they wrote the article as if this isn't bizarre as hell...  ;D