’2013 ranks as one of the least extreme U.S. weather years ever’

[Gonuclear]

not really when you consider science. We know the variables that account for climate change, we have accurate data on variables like sun spots/radiation etc. Increases in CO2 are at the peak in history, with the other variables offering no predictive validity due to stagnation it's safe to assume the CO2 is the cause. Hence, the prevailing hypothesis. Then they used computer models (chaos theory is important here) to manipulate the variables with there known mechanisms and it appears the etiology is excessive greenhouse gases.

I can fill the thread with citations if you would like. However, I feel you were more or less stating that his conclusion in this context was spurious.

The statement that "every scientist" buys man made climate change is what I question.  There are many who don't, including many at distinguished universities.  They can't get published.

[Necrosis]

The statement that "every scientist" buys man made climate change is what I question.  There are many who don't, including many at distinguished universities.  They can't get published.

Oh the old conspiracy theory, virtually every scientist agrees, it is the consensus among climatologists. There are still academics who think evolution is a lie.

The data is pretty polarized.

[Straw Man]

Super Typhoon Haiyan, one of the strongest storms in recorded history
Officials say that as many as 10,000 people may have died in the storm.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/11/world/asia/typhoon-haiyan/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[doison]

Super Typhoon Haiyan, one of the strongest storms in recorded history
Officials say that as many as 10,000 people may have died in the storm.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/11/world/asia/typhoon-haiyan/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Does this mean that 2013 is no longer one of the "least extreme" years on record and is now just "standard extreme?" 

So there was no change at all now?  WTF?

[Straw Man]

Does this mean that 2013 is no longer one of the "least extreme" years on record and is now just "standard extreme?" 

So there was no change at all now?  WTF?

We have pretty bad flooding in Colorado this year as well

This storm in the Philippines in very bad.   

[doison]

We have pretty bad flooding in Colorado this year as well

This storm in the Philippines in very bad.   

So it was a normal year. 

I had been using the "least extreme" moniker for 2013 to prove climate change to my non-believing family.  Now I have to listen to them boast, "see...it was just a normal-variant year for weather.  No climate change after all."

[Straw Man]

So it was a normal year. 

I had been using the "least extreme" moniker for 2013 to prove climate change to my non-believing family.  Now I have to listen to them boast, "see...it was just a normal-variant year for weather.  No climate change after all."

what's a "normal" year?

if we have one the strongest storm ever recorded is that considered normal

[Soul Crusher]

what's a "normal" year?

if we have one the strongest storm ever recorded is that considered normal

Who gives a fuck? 

[Straw Man]

Who gives a fuck? 

only people who are not morons so no need for you to worry about it

[Soul Crusher]

only people who are not morons so no need for you to worry about it

Any so called solution to this problem entails massive taxation, regulation, and degradation of living standards w no evidence whatsoever that said cost will work in the least bit.

No thanks.  Fuck you and fuck al gore. 

[Straw Man]

Any so called solution to this problem entails massive taxation, regulation, and degradation of living standards w no evidence whatsoever that said cost will work in the least bit.

No thanks.  Fuck you and fuck al gore. 

yep, better if you just let the adults worry about it

are you ever going to get your diaper changed so you're not such a whiny little bitch

[Soul Crusher]

yep, better if you just let the adults worry about it

are you ever going to get your diaper changed so you're not such a whiny little bitch

So tell me mr. envirovagina - how do you fix this? 

[doison]

what's a "normal" year?

if we have one the strongest storm ever recorded is that considered normal

Well it was one of the mildest years on record so I figured one really strong storm just made it average out to normal. 

If one really strong storm per year is evidence of climate change--I'll use it, but I know what my dad is going to say; "there have been a lot of big storms over the years.  How is this one proof of man-made climate change?"



I don't know...I was telling him that the fact that it's been a record year for "mild weather" means there's climate change (because it's changed to such a mild variance).  It's going to be hard to now say "actually this storm is proof, even though it means what I've been saying all year is no longer true."

[Roger Bacon]

Super Typhoon Haiyan, one of the strongest storms in recorded history
Officials say that as many as 10,000 people may have died in the storm.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/11/world/asia/typhoon-haiyan/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Is it the biggest ever?

This we cannot say because recorded history is limited to humans' ability to measure and verify wind speed and pressure. But it is the largest recorded since Allen.

[Straw Man]

Is it the biggest ever?

This we cannot say because recorded history is limited to humans' ability to measure and verify wind speed and pressure. But it is the largest recorded since Allen.

did I say it was the "strongest ever"

[RRKore]

A better analogy is sports encompasses basketball and football, so basketball and football are synonymous with sports. 

But you don’t know anything about sports, so that’s probably a bad example too. 

C'mon, BB, don't dig in on this. 

Are you maybe using "synonymous" idiomatically?  Like something along the lines of, "ESPN is synonymous with excitement!"? 

"Synonymous" means "equivalent" or "having the same idea". 

"Encompassing" (as it's used here) means "includes totally". 

Think Venn diagrams.  Or not since I'm way too lazy to find pic's representing this idea.

How about this:
Just because B is a subset of A does not mean that B is the equivalent of A.  (Because there is a whole lot of A that doesn't have shit to do with B.)

[RRKore]

Who gives a fuck? 

Not the warm and dry, I guess.

[Dos Equis]

C'mon, BB, don't dig in on this. 

Are you maybe using "synonymous" idiomatically?  Like something along the lines of, "ESPN is synonymous with excitement!"? 

"Synonymous" means "equivalent" or "having the same idea". 

"Encompassing" (as it's used here) means "includes totally". 

Think Venn diagrams.  Or not since I'm way too lazy to find pic's representing this idea.

How about this:
Just because B is a subset of A does not mean that B is the equivalent of A.  (Because there is a whole lot of A that doesn't have shit to do with B.)

That was so last month.     And I like my basketball/football/sports analogy much better. 

[RRKore]

That was so last month.     And I like my basketball/football/sports analogy much better. 

Shit, you right.  Didn't look at the dates.  Easy to do that for me.

BTW, re: the weather, my Thai wife says that the flooding in Thailand is looking to be really bad again this year.  She says we're just not hearing about it because all the news from there concerns the people turning against their idiot female prime minister (who is trying to push an amnesty bill that would allow her criminally corrupt brother who is also a former prime minister to re-enter the country and take possession of the 1 BILLION DOLLARs that was frozen when he fled the country to avoid court years ago.)