you train around pansy's, and you tend to pull back and get lazy, since you can do 15min workouts 2-3 days a week and still have the best physique in the gym...
you train around big guys, serious guys, who use serious supplemnts, and you better stay on your A-game, because nobody wants to be 2nd best.... THAT's where the secrecy comes in "oh, i'm only using 500 test and a little winstrol"... lol... when you're actually using 3g enan, 600 tren, 900 npp, 1050 dbol, 3mg adex/wk, 300mcg igf1/day, ect...