tHe fact that some of you still believe that someone can be "natural" saddens me. There is no such thing in anything. If there is, it is so not impressive you wouldn't be talking about it.
"I have a friend who I slept with every day so I know he is natural eats 500 g of carbs a day and is 6% no roids, no burners or diuretics no nothing."
"I have a friend who been lifting for 23 years so his lifts are achieved through a lot of hard work and dedication."
Except your argument becomes much less convincing when there has been people like myself who have posted pics of when I was actually truly 100% natty, before I started gear, and there was still people claiming I was juiced to the gills. And i certainly am far from being considered a genetic elite, yet my priorly natural physique had endless claims that i was juiced? nobody believed my old natty pics or the ones of my best bro who is still natty.
So then what are we to believe?? It's just another opinion that somebody has. Obviously there's a lot of fakes and phonies claiming drug free out there, but your insistence that there are NO exceptions is silly. I've only been doing this for 6 years and I've known a few "exceptions" including myself. You should know better, what are you like 45?
Throw Groink into this category as well with me, I believe he's another guy that trained natty for years before juicing and nobody believed him either.