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The Counselor
« on: October 23, 2013, 01:08:03 AM »
Anyone interested in seeing this? The great Cormac McCarthy wrote the screenplay, but I'm thinking it's gonna suck. Ridley Scott has lost that magic touch he had with Alien and Blade Runner. Hope I'm wrong.

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Re: The Counselor
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2013, 01:10:35 AM »
I agree...

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Re: The Counselor
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2013, 04:38:20 AM »
I'll see it. Great cast, directed by Ridley Scott.

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Re: The Counselor
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2013, 04:59:33 AM »
Anyone interested in seeing this? The great Cormac McCarthy wrote the screenplay, but I'm thinking it's gonna suck. Ridley Scott has lost that magic touch he had with Alien and Blade Runner. Hope I'm wrong.

I'll see it. Great cast, directed by Ridley Scott.
I just saw the ad for this flick not 20 mins ago at the gym, and I was thinking great effing cast - 'what is this?' Then I saw the Cormac McCarthy credit and went 'whoa.' Hope it doesn't suck.

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Re: The Counselor
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2013, 05:41:00 AM »
Directed by Ridley Scott

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Re: The Counselor
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2013, 06:50:23 AM »
Directed by Ridley Scott

No, really you don't say?

Wouldn't have know that from reading the other 217 posts that say the same thing.

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Re: The Counselor
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2013, 06:59:48 AM »
I heard there's a scene with Cameron Diaz masturbating on a windshield of a car.  That to me is more than enough reason to go and see it.

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Re: The Counselor
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2013, 07:20:01 AM »
I heard there's a scene with Cameron Diaz masturbating on a windshield of a car.  That to me is more than enough reason to go and see it.

I'd pay to watch that....

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Re: The Counselor
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2013, 08:08:14 AM »
I've seen the trailer, looks good. Anyone know who directed it?

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Re: The Counselor
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2013, 08:27:01 AM »
I've seen the trailer, looks good. Anyone know who directed it?

Ask Kwon_2, he's usually pretty up on useless trivia (and the taste of Shitso's penis).

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Re: The Counselor
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2013, 08:32:55 AM »
Ask Kwon_2, he's usually pretty up on useless trivia (and the taste of Shitso's penis).

I'd guess that would be like having a shit flavored toothpick in your mouth.

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Re: The Counselor
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2013, 08:34:13 AM »
I'd guess that would be like having a shit flavored toothpick in your mouth.

Not sure......but some Getgbigger who is an expert on that will be along shortly to correct you.

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Re: The Counselor
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2013, 01:14:16 PM »
Looks really good. Can't wait to see it.

On another note, I just saw Captain Phillips and it was fucking awesome. Very very suspenseful

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Re: The Counselor
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2013, 01:44:05 PM »
Fuck it go see Machete Kills.

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Re: The Counselor
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2013, 06:58:00 PM »
I want to see it. Hank is in it.

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Re: The Counselor
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2013, 07:55:00 PM »
I want to see it. Hank is in it.

Hank?

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« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2013, 07:58:20 PM »
Hank?
The brother in law of Walter White in Breaking Bad.

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Re: The Counselor
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2013, 08:04:12 PM »
If it isn't one of the best movies ever, I'll be hugely disappointed ;D

- Incredible Cast
- Legendary Director
- Cormac McCarthy's first screenplay

I'm just worried because it looks a little too similar to No Country for Old Men.

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Re: The Counselor
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2013, 08:12:09 PM »
If it isn't one of the best movies ever, I'll be hugely disappointed ;D

- Incredible Cast
- Legendary Director
- Cormac McCarthy's first screenplay

I'm just worried because it looks a little too similar to No Country for Old Men.

I'm skeptical about Ridley. He's well past his prime.

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Re: The Counselor
« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2013, 09:39:18 PM »
I'm hearing it sucked. Anyone hear different?

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Re: The Counselor
« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2013, 03:12:54 AM »
As the guy who wanted to like the movie more than anyone... I have to say, it did suck.  2/5 movie at best.

Where to begin...  Fassbender and Bardem were the only ones who didn't seem completely lost with the script.  Pitt looked bored out of his mind.  Cruz was barely in the movie.  Hilariously enough, the most unreadable lines were doled out to Diaz in brutal, lengthy speeches... cringeworthy, to say the least.  Probably the worst of all though was this extended, utterly absurd rant delivered by some mexican guy toward the end of the movie.  This dude honestly sounded like a damn migrant worker (no racist) and was tasked with a downright embarrassing five minute near-monologue about the nature of fate or some shit.

I think McCarthy is the biggest reason this movie failed, by far, and also the biggest surprise.  The Road and No Country for Old Men worked very, very well as book adaptations.  It's astounding, then, how much The Counselor, which is McCarthy's first actual screenplay, feels like an adaptation of a book that's just way too wordy and "philosophical" to be translated onto the big screen.  I've heard The Road and No Country are two of his most sparsely written books, so I guess it makes sense that they would work well as screenplays, but why the hell he would go all Blood Meridian on our asses when he finally decides to write a screenplay is beyond me!

Enough about the script, though -- there are some good things to mention, as well.  McCarthy's penchant for detailed, creative vignettes comes through as the most positive part of the movie.  For being such shit overall, there are a lot of memorable scenes: Diaz' windshield-masturbation, a roadside trap, the "bolo", a roadside shootout, diamond shopping, etc.  There are also a lot of hilarious lines, both intentionally and unintentionally... hardest I've laughed in a LONG time at the movies is when Fassbender is having "phone sex" with Cruz, the scene ends, and it immediately cuts to a shot of some greasy old half-hobo staring down at his phone, as if Fassbender had been talking to him the whole time! ;D

I don't know, maybe Ridley is to blame.  Maybe he could have reigned McCarthy in, squeezed more out of the cast, etc.  But I just can't help but think of this as a huge embarrassment for the 80 (!!!) year old author; maybe he's halfway to senility ???

One last thing, as I feared, there are a lot of similarities to No Country for Old Men, despite this film not even being 1/10th as good:

- Group of characters get in "over their heads" with a drug cartel that's practically portrayed as an omnipresent higher power.
- Untouchable, supremely powerful villain -- though in this case it's far less interesting because, unlike Chigurh, Diaz' character doesn't even fucking do anything.
- New Mexico-ish setting.
- Themes of fate, irrevocable actions.
- Fixation with some kind of gadget/weapon
- Even the gunfights had a lot in common

That said, No Country didn't really show the "poetic" side of McCarthy, and was beautifully shot, subtly tying one scene seamlessly into the next.  The Counselor, on the other hand, goes off the damn rails every other scene with some bullshit prose-poem monologue while the plot is relegated to a bunch of vaguely comprehensible side-scenes.

But let's end on a positive note: Natalie Dorner has a great ass!

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Re: The Counselor
« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2013, 04:34:18 AM »
I'm hearing it sucked. Anyone hear different?
Yup. Just read the same on Flavorwire. Ah, well. Can't win 'em all.

http://flavorwire.com/421910/ridley-scott-cormac-mccarthy-collaboration-the-counselor-disappoints/

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Re: The Counselor
« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2013, 04:59:30 AM »
Saw it yesterday.  Some fine acting by Fassbender, but it basically sucked.  This movie proves to me that Ridley Scott has lost his touch.

'Escape Plan' was a much better entertainment value for the money... I'm serious.

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Re: The Counselor
« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2013, 05:08:17 AM »
As the guy who wanted to like the movie more than anyone... I have to say, it did suck.  2/5 movie at best.

Where to begin...  Fassbender and Bardem were the only ones who didn't seem completely lost with the script.  Pitt looked bored out of his mind.  Cruz was barely in the movie.  Hilariously enough, the most unreadable lines were doled out to Diaz in brutal, lengthy speeches... cringeworthy, to say the least.  Probably the worst of all though was this extended, utterly absurd rant delivered by some mexican guy toward the end of the movie.  This dude honestly sounded like a damn migrant worker (no racist) and was tasked with a downright embarrassing five minute near-monologue about the nature of fate or some shit.

I think McCarthy is the biggest reason this movie failed, by far, and also the biggest surprise.  The Road and No Country for Old Men worked very, very well as book adaptations.  It's astounding, then, how much The Counselor, which is McCarthy's first actual screenplay, feels like an adaptation of a book that's just way too wordy and "philosophical" to be translated onto the big screen.  I've heard The Road and No Country are two of his most sparsely written books, so I guess it makes sense that they would work well as screenplays, but why the hell he would go all Blood Meridian on our asses when he finally decides to write a screenplay is beyond me!

Enough about the script, though -- there are some good things to mention, as well.  McCarthy's penchant for detailed, creative vignettes comes through as the most positive part of the movie.  For being such shit overall, there are a lot of memorable scenes: Diaz' windshield-masturbation, a roadside trap, the "bolo", a roadside shootout, diamond shopping, etc.  There are also a lot of hilarious lines, both intentionally and unintentionally... hardest I've laughed in a LONG time at the movies is when Fassbender is having "phone sex" with Cruz, the scene ends, and it immediately cuts to a shot of some greasy old half-hobo staring down at his phone, as if Fassbender had been talking to him the whole time! ;D

I don't know, maybe Ridley is to blame.  Maybe he could have reigned McCarthy in, squeezed more out of the cast, etc.  But I just can't help but think of this as a huge embarrassment for the 80 (!!!) year old author; maybe he's halfway to senility ???

One last thing, as I feared, there are a lot of similarities to No Country for Old Men, despite this film not even being 1/10th as good:

- Group of characters get in "over their heads" with a drug cartel that's practically portrayed as an omnipresent higher power.
- Untouchable, supremely powerful villain -- though in this case it's far less interesting because, unlike Chigurh, Diaz' character doesn't even fucking do anything.
- New Mexico-ish setting.
- Themes of fate, irrevocable actions.
- Fixation with some kind of gadget/weapon
- Even the gunfights had a lot in common

That said, No Country didn't really show the "poetic" side of McCarthy, and was beautifully shot, subtly tying one scene seamlessly into the next.  The Counselor, on the other hand, goes off the damn rails every other scene with some bullshit prose-poem monologue while the plot is relegated to a bunch of vaguely comprehensible side-scenes.

But let's end on a positive note: Natalie Dorner has a great ass!

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