Do you lose muscle while cruising?

[Wolfox]

Im sure the vets do but what about the new guys with only 1 or 2 cycles under their belt. If so how much? Vets what about you?

[dj181]

good question brosef

[Kim Jong Bob]

Im sure the vets do but what about the new guys with only 1 or 2 cycles under their belt. If so how much? Vets what about you?

why should the vets do it??

[shrek]

Yes you will lose a certain amount of size , assuming when you cruise its on low dose test.... if you use more then test to gain an amount of muscle then when you remove the other drugs then you will start to lose some

[Kim Jong Bob]

depends on how long the cruize is to. if its 5 weeks then you wont loose any muscle. is it 20 weeks then you will loose a little

[oni]

Set point is the main issue
Muscle gained quickly is lost quickly and vice versa. I'd try and maintain your dosages, weight and condition a few months before dropping shit to "cruise" for sure

[galeniko]

it depends.

normaly you lose not so much bc upping the dosage from some point wont grant diametrical results.ie you dont gain double from going from 500-1000mgs.

but you sure do gain about double when going from 250 to 500.thats even backed by studies.

you go more or less back to that what you looked on the particular dosage.n 500weekly,will always look kinda the same once maxed out, on 1000week,will alwyas look more or less same etcetc.

howver, when one did huge dosages for a while, they will be able to keep suprisingly much mass on much less gear than before.

but this is mostly due to the effect that many respond very well to low-moderate doses and then when they up the dosage much more, the gains wont be as good as expected by calculations.

going off, you lose plenty.going off hrt, its not bad, but bad enough.

going off a gramm will be bad.

going of 2gramms is like jumping of a cliff.

[dj181]

it depends.

normaly you lose not so much bc upping the dosage from some point wont grant diametrical results.ie you dont gain double from going from 500-1000mgs.

but you sure do gain about double when going from 250 to 500.thats even backed by studies.

you go more or less back to that what you looked on the particular dosage.n 500weekly,will always look kinda the same once maxed out, on 1000week,will alwyas look more or less same etcetc.

howver, when one did huge dosages for a while, they will be able to keep suprisingly much mass on much less gear than before.

but this is mostly due to the effect that many respond very well to low-moderate doses and then when they up the dosage much more, the gains wont be as good as expected by calculations.

going off, you lose plenty.going off hrt, its not bad, but bad enough.

going off a gramm will be bad.

going of 2gramms is like jumping of a cliff.

so would 30 mg of superdrol stacked with 20 mg of dbol be the same as 50 mg of drol?

[oni]

so would 30 mg of superdrol stacked with 20 mg of dbol be the same as 50 mg of drol?

Is that a real question? Or are you just making a quip about the hyperbole?

[dj181]

Is that a real question? Or are you just making a quip about the hyperbole?

the latter

but he makes a point about total mg's per week, so i'm just putting it out there

both "cycles" are 350 mg per week

[galeniko]

so would 30 mg of superdrol stacked with 20 mg of dbol be the same as 50 mg of drol?

ah no.

200mg anavar weekly will not be the same as 200mg tren or test weekly.

so yeah, compound dependant a bit, too.

say one used tren alone, then added dbol to that, once he goes off the dbol, he can kiss goodbye whatever gains the dbol caused and goes back to what he looked on just tren again.

with tendency to the worse, everytime one lowers the dosage,the body seems to react bad to whatever, there always seems to be some muscle volume loss while some water and fat is gained.

[Jpatton]

Do none of you take HCG to get your balls going again to minimize loss?

[anabolichalo]

amd has been cruising for a while and not lost any ghainz

[Big Chiro Flex]

Do none of you take HCG to get your balls going again to minimize loss?

I do...huge believer in HCG.

I've had atrophied testes rebound to full juicy peaches in 12 hours from 1 tiny dose.

HCG kicks ass.

 

[BigRo]

whats your protocol Chiro with the HCG?

[Big Chiro Flex]

whats your protocol Chiro with the HCG?

I'm a rookie, and I'm sure guys will disagree with me but this is what I've been taught and works wonders for me.

1 5000 I.u. Vial of HCG

Split into 10-14 days.

First few days are a slightly higher dose (500 IU) and then I just finish with 300/day until my vial runs out. Takes 10-14 days which seems to be the optimal duration based on what I've read.

[BigRo]

Then after this would you go in to pct tabs?

[Big Chiro Flex]

Then after this would you go in to pct tabs?

What does this mean exactly to you??

I keep my AI dose same as when on cycle, slowly taper off after my HCG is done.

A lotta Guys swear by tribulus during this time as well, I just haven't used it personally

[BigRo]

I have come off without any pct a few times so do not have a set system myself. If I take time off again soon I may use HCG for 2 weeks followed by Nolvadex for 4 weeks at 40/40/20/20 per day. Some people say Clomid is needed but it makes men in to big emotional babys and I dont want that lol...

[Big Chiro Flex]

I have come off without any pct a few times so do not have a set system myself. If I take time off again soon I may use HCG for 2 weeks followed by Nolvadex for 4 weeks at 40/40/20/20 per day. Some people say Clomid is needed but it makes men in to big emotional babys and I dont want that lol...

SERMs are good. From my little understanding, Nolva seems to work best if bitch tits caused by test is the issue. Clomid is good. I used Toremifene last cycle but can't say I noticed anything.

I think using a suicidal inhibitor (AI) is key though for preventing that nasty estrogen rebound during this Time.

PS what the fuck am I doing answering questions for BigRo ?! LOL!!! Seems like whatever you're doing is working great bro 

[oni]

Trib works kinda like clomid
I always get sickening morning wood on trib

[Big Chiro Flex]

I shot the entire 5k iu bottle on a sunday, then the same thing the next sunday... 9.5 months later I had a kid... without ever going off gear (which at the time was about 2g/3g total if I recall)... then 9 months later did the same thing and 9.5 months later had another kid... again, without ever going off gear (which at that time was about 3.5g test plus a couple grams of other stuff.)... also made gyno flare up both times, but femara and a lil nolva killed it.

Damn!! Why such drastic measures here?

[Big Chiro Flex]

well, that was back when I had my pharm in mex.. and I didn't feel like shooting 1k iu and leaving the remaining 4kiu in the fridge for somebody to steal... or more likely, have the power go out and the shit get warm overnight (which happened pretty often).. so I just shot the whole thing. lol.

Lol holy shit!! Guess it got the job done just fine for you though !

[Big Chiro Flex]

I shot the entire 5k iu bottle on a sunday, then the same thing the next sunday... 9.5 months later I had a kid... without ever going off gear (which at the time was about 2g/3g total if I recall)... then 9 months later did the same thing and 9.5 months later had another kid... again, without ever going off gear (which at that time was about 3.5g test plus a couple grams of other stuff.)... also made gyno flare up both times, but femara and a lil nolva killed it.

Also a good point: a lotta Guys don't realize there is a lot of ARomatase activity with HCG. But it's a necessary evil IMO

[macos]

I reduce my volume and eat fewer calories on cruise. Do lose a little size mostly the muscle water.

Reagin it all within a week of going back on.