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Saudi Arabia severs diplomatic ties with US
over response to conflict in Syria


  • Saudi Arabia is an important ally to the U.S. as it provides a secure source of oil
  • Saudi diplomats now promise a 'major shift' in relations with the U.S. over inaction in the conflict in Syria
  • Secretary of State John Kerry says he is committed to keeping a good relationship with the Saudis

By REUTERS REPORTER
PUBLISHED: 00:27 GMT, 23 October 2013 | UPDATED: 17:01 GMT, 23 October 2013


Upset at President Barack Obama's policies on Iran and Syria, members of Saudi Arabia's ruling family are threatening a rift with the United States that could take the alliance between Washington and the kingdom to its lowest point in years.

Saudi Arabia's intelligence chief is vowing that the kingdom will make a 'major shift' in relations with the United States to protest perceived American inaction over Syria's civil war as well as recent U.S. overtures to Iran, a source close to Saudi policy said on Tuesday.

Prince Bandar bin Sultan told European diplomats that the United States had failed to act effectively against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, was growing closer to Tehran, and had failed to back Saudi support for Bahrain when it crushed an anti-government revolt in 2011, the source said.

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'Major change': Prince Bandar Bin Sultan said the kingdom
will make a "major shift" in relations with the United States


'The shift away from the U.S. is a major one,' the source close to Saudi policy said. 'Saudi doesn't want to find itself any longer in a situation where it is dependent.'

It was not immediately clear whether the reported statements by Prince Bandar, who was the Saudi ambassador to Washington for 22 years, had the full backing of King Abdullah.

The growing breach between the United States and Saudi Arabia was also on display in Washington, where another senior Saudi prince criticized Obama's Middle East policies, accusing him of 'dithering' on Syria and Israeli-Palestinian peace.
 
In unusually blunt public remarks, Prince Turki al-Faisal called Obama's policies in Syria 'lamentable' and ridiculed a U.S.-Russian deal to eliminate Assad's chemical weapons. He suggested it was a ruse to let Obama avoid military action in Syria.

'The current charade of international control over Bashar's chemical arsenal would be funny if it were not so blatantly perfidious. And designed not only to give Mr. Obama an opportunity to back down (from military strikes), but also to help Assad to butcher his people,' said Prince Turki, a member of the Saudi royal family and former director of Saudi intelligence.

Kerry welcomes Iranian diplomacy


Inaction: The Saudis say they are getting upset by President Obama's
inaction in dealing with the conflict in Syria


The United States and Saudi Arabia have been allies since the kingdom was declared in 1932, giving Riyadh a powerful military protector and Washington secure oil supplies.

The Saudi criticism came days after the 40th anniversary of the October 1973 Arab oil embargo imposed to punish the West for supporting Israel in the Yom Kippur war.

That was one of the low points in U.S.-Saudi ties, which were also badly shaken by the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi nationals.

Saudi Arabia gave a clear sign of its displeasure over Obama's foreign policy last week when it rejected a coveted two-year term on the U.N. Security Council in a display of anger over the failure of the international community to end the war in Syria and act on other Middle East issues.

Prince Turki indicated that Saudi Arabia will not reverse that decision, which he said was a result of the Security Council's failure to stop Assad and implement its own decision on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.


Picking sides: Russian President Vladimir Putin, seen here
with bin Sultan, has sided with the Syrian government in the conflict


'There is nothing whimsical about the decision to forego membership of the Security Council. It is based on the ineffectual experience of that body,' he said in a speech to the Washington-based National Council on U.S.-Arab Relations.

In London, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said he discussed Riyadh's concerns when he met Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal in Paris on Monday.

Kerry said he told the Saudi minister no deal with Iran was better than a bad deal. 'I have great confidence that the United States and Saudi Arabia will continue to be the close and important friends and allies that we have been,' Kerry told reporters.

Prince Bandar is seen as a foreign policy hawk, especially on Iran. The Sunni Muslim kingdom's rivalry with Shi'ite Iran, an ally of Syria, has amplified sectarian tensions across the Middle East.

A son of the late defense minister and crown prince, Prince Sultan, and a protégé of the late King Fahd, he fell from favor with King Abdullah after clashing on foreign policy in 2005.

But he was called in from the cold last year with a mandate to bring down Assad, diplomats in the Gulf say. Over the past year, he has led Saudi efforts to bring arms and other aid to Syrian rebels.

'Prince Bandar told diplomats that he plans to limit interaction with the U.S.,' the source close to Saudi policy said.


Secretary of State John Kerry says he's confident the U.S.
will continue to have a good relationship with Saudi Arabia


This happens after the U.S. failed to take any effective action on Syria and Palestine. Relations with the U.S. have been deteriorating for a while, as Saudi feels that the U.S. is growing closer with Iran and the U.S. also failed to support Saudi during the Bahrain uprising," the source said.

The source declined to provide more details of Bandar's talks with the diplomats, which took place in the past few days.

But he suggested that the planned change in ties between the energy superpower and the United States would have wide-ranging consequences, including on arms purchases and oil sales.

Saudi Arabia, the world's biggest oil exporter, ploughs much of its earnings back into U.S. assets. Most of the Saudi central bank's net foreign assets of $690 billion are thought to be denominated in dollars, much of them in U.S. Treasury bonds.

'All options are on the table now, and for sure there will be some impact,' the Saudi source said.

He said there would be no further coordination with the United States over the war in Syria, where the Saudis have armed and financed rebel groups fighting Assad.

The kingdom has informed the United States of its actions in Syria, and diplomats say it has respected U.S. requests not to supply the groups with advanced weaponry that the West fears could fall into the hands of al Qaeda-aligned groups.


Saudi intelligence chief Prince Turki Al Faisal also is outraged
the international community has let the war continue in Syria


Saudi anger boiled over after Washington refrained from military strikes in response to a poison gas attack in Damascus in August when Assad agreed to give up his chemical weapons arsenal.

Representative Chris Van Hollen, a member of the U.S. House of Representatives' Democratic leadership, told Reuters' Washington Summit on Tuesday that the Saudi moves were intended to pressure Obama to take action in Syria.

'We know their game. They're trying to send a signal that we should all get involved militarily in Syria, and I think that would be a big mistake to get in the middle of the Syrian civil war,' Van Hollen said.

'And the Saudis should start by stopping their funding of the al Qaeda-related groups in Syria. In addition to the fact that it's a country that doesn't allow women to drive,' said Van Hollen, who is close to Obama on domestic issues in Congress but is less influential on foreign policy.

Saudi Arabia is concerned about signs of a tentative reconciliation between Washington and Tehran, something Riyadh fears may lead to a 'grand bargain' on the Iranian nuclear program that would leave Riyadh at a disadvantage.

Prince Turki expressed doubt that Obama would succeed in what he called an 'open arms approach' to Iran, which he accused of meddling in Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, Iraq and Bahrain.

'We Saudis observe President Obama's efforts in this regard. The road ahead is arduous,' he said. 'Whether (Iranian President Hassan) Rouhani will succeed in steering Iran toward sensible policies is already contested in Iran. The forces of darkness in Qom and Tehran are well entrenched.'

The U.N. Security Council has been paralyzed over the 31-month-old Syria conflict, with permanent members Russia and China repeatedly blocking measures to condemn Assad.

Saudi Arabia backs Assad's mostly Sunni rebel foes. The Syrian leader, whose Alawite sect is derived from Shi'ite Islam, has support from Iran and the armed Lebanese Shi'ite movement Hezbollah. The Syrian leader denounces the insurgents as al Qaeda-linked groups backed by Sunni-ruled states.

In Bahrain, home of the U.S. Fifth Fleet, a simmering pro-democracy revolt by its Shi'ite majority has prompted calls by some in Washington for U.S. ships to be based elsewhere.

Many U.S. economic interests in Saudi Arabia involve government contracts in defense, other security sectors, health care, education, information technology and construction.


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I don't know about the rest of y'all, ...but as far as I'm concerned,
...this is going to be a poop-storm of epic proportions.
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Easier said than done, ...Saudi Arabia has the USA by the testicles,
...and there are elements within that society that are ...shall we say,
...not the most reasonable people to deal with.  :-\

Both the Saudis & Qatar want their pipeline to European markets,
...but Putin owns the market, and has no intention of giving it up.

The Saudis have already built massive oil refineries for China, and
entered into trade agreements to be settled outside of the US dollar.

The latest theatre show in Washington has already left the Chinese hopping mad.
Who knows what one may be inclined to do when fuelled by anger.

We've seen in the past what the Saudi's are capable of doing when they want to give the USA a little nudge. I've never seen this kind of rhetoric before, ...and coupled with everything else swirling about, ...all the dots connected leads me to believe this will be quite the poop storm.

...especially since one of the first things Congress did upon re-opening was to have FEMA direct all gov't agencies to prepare for massive death scenarios all throughout the USA.  All agencies were to be prepped and readied by Nov. 1, 2013. Not good.
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This is the typical American response to things that winds up getting America into very avoidable clusterf**ks, There is no way that pedro read my initial post in less than a minute and a half, ...but there is his response.  ::)

What is so wrong with hearing the grievances of another? If there is no merit to them, fine, fuck 'em,
but to dismiss them outright, without so much as even seeking to understand is not the wisest move IMO, ...especially when dealing with such a strong historical ally. I believe it is things like this that cause many nations around the world to re-examine their own relationship with the USA.
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This is the typical American response to things that winds up getting America into very avoidable clusterf**ks, There is no way that pedro read my initial post in less than a munite and a half, ...but there is his response.  ::)

What is so wrong with hearing the grievances of another? If there is no merit to them, fine, fuck 'em,
but to dismiss them outright, without so much as even seeking to understand is not the wisest move IMO, ...especially when dealing with such a strong historical ally. I believe it is things like this that cause many nations around the world to re-examine their own relationship with the USA.

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As usual you have very little understanding of the subject. I highly doubt you've ever read a book on Islam, Islamic history or the modern Islamic world.  I look forward to your racist and ignorant response.
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As usual you have very little understanding of the subject. I highly doubt you've ever read a book on Islam, Islamic history or the modern Islamic world.  I look forward to your racist and ignorant response.

And you base this on my assertion that Pedro couldn't possibly have read the post in less than 2 minutes?

BTW: Was this response racist enough for you? ...if not, I can try to do better next time.  :)
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And you base this on my assertion that Pedro couldn't possibly have read the post in less than 2 minutes?

BTW: Was this response racist enough for you? ...if not, I can try to do better next time.  :)


I'm sure you can be a lot more racist.  I've seen your other posts and can attest to that. 
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I'm sure you can be a lot more racist.  I've seen your other posts and can attest to that. 

Well let's see what I can do to accomodate... ahem, ummm, ...never wear white after labour day? 
If that's not racist enough for you, can you please specifically point out the racism to which you refer?
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Well let's see what I can do to accomodate... ahem, ummm, ...never wear white after labour day? 
If that's not racist enough for you, can you please specifically point out the racism to which you refer?

Are you serious?  You've been called out for your racism on two separate threads which you choose to ignore by the way.  You know what you've said.  Don't feign ignorance and or innocence. 
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Are you serious?  You've been called out for your racism on two separate threads which you choose to ignore by the way.  You know what you've said.  Don't feign ignorance and or innocence. 

{sigh}  Looks like I have picked up another obsessed fan boi.

I'm not feigning innocence. I AM innocent of racism.

If I were truly guilty of it, ...you'd be the first one to post up the proof.

I am only responsible for what I say, ...not for your understanding or interpretation of what I say.  ;)
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{sigh}  Looks like I have picked up another obsessed fan boi.

I'm not feigning innocence. I AM innocent of racism.

If I were truly guilty of it, ...you'd be the first one to post up the proof.

I am only responsible for what I say, ...not for your understanding or interpretation of what I say.  ;)

What a cop out.  You know what you did.  That's why you didn't respond when you were called out on it.  I'm far from a fan boy.  Fools like you offend me on a very deep level.  You think your smart but you put minimal effort into doing any actual research and you never think for yourself.  You depend on hearsay, second hand information and paranoid conspiracy theories.
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What a cop out.  You know what you did.  That's why you didn't respond when you were called out on it.  I'm far from a fan boy.  Fools like you offend me on a very deep level.  You think your smart but you put minimal effort into doing any actual research and you never think for yourself.  You depend on hearsay, second hand information and paranoid conspiracy theories.

In just about every post I make, you call me a racist. I'm asking for specifics.
Find my racist post please. Until then... please shut your pie hole.
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