So look at what Pelosi wants to pass if she becomes majority leader

[dario73]

Atop her priority list as Speaker, she said, would be “comprehensive affordable, quality childcare” for working mothers, which she sees as a natural extension of ObamaCare.



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[dario73]

It never ends with these libtards.

She says it is a natural extension of crapcare.

[RRKore]

I think I've read that they do this in France.  Like public education, it might be a good thing for the future of the country.  I'd need to think about it (but won't unless it seems like has a chance of becoming a reality).

I'll tell you what, though, I'd never vote for this unless I got some kind of break on my child support payments.

[tonymctones]

I think I've read that they do this in France.  Like public education, it might be a good thing for the future of the country.  I'd need to think about it (but won't unless it seems like has a chance of becoming a reality).

I'll tell you what, though, I'd never vote for this unless I got some kind of break on my child support payments.

yes b/c france is the country we want to model ourselves after

fuking idiot

at what point do you think the govt shouldnt take away from one group to give hand outs to others?

[Dos Equis]

Does not surprise me.  The things liberals embrace as the government's responsibility are just wrongheaded. 

[240 is Back]

Does not surprise me.  The things liberals embrace as the government's responsibility are just wrongheaded. 

What % of liberals support this extreme measure?  I'm sure it's low.

[AbrahamG]

yes b/c france is the country we want to model ourselves after

fuking idiot

at what point do you think the govt shouldnt take away from one group to give hand outs to others?

Right now, the government takes away from working people (middle class, working poor, whatever you want to call them) and redistributes it to the corporations.

[Dos Equis]

Right now, the government takes away from working people (middle class, working poor, whatever you want to call them) and redistributes it to the corporations.

Are you including the nearly 50 percent of working people that don't pay federal income taxes? 

[AbrahamG]

Are you including the nearly 50 percent of working people that don't pay federal income taxes? 

I'm certain that if you add up all the total taxes those people pay, it's a higher percentage of their total earnings than anyone making north of 250K pays.

[tonymctones]

Right now, the government takes away from working people (middle class, working poor, whatever you want to call them) and redistributes it to the corporations.

really you mean those 50% that dont pay income tax?

[Dos Equis]

I'm certain that if you add up all the total taxes those people pay, it's a higher percentage of their total earnings than anyone making north of 250K pays.

Any percentage of zero is still zero.  

The people and small businesses making north of $250k pay the lion's share of taxes in this country.  

In any event, saying the government takes from people who don't pay federal income taxes and "redistributes it to the corporations" is not true.  Where are you getting that from?

[tonymctones]

I'm certain that if you add up all the total taxes those people pay, it's a higher percentage of their total earnings than anyone making north of 250K pays.

hahahah what a fucking tard...dont let the facts get in the way there libtard

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/04/19/the-laughable-economic-fallacies-embraced-by-progressives/2/

official IRS data showed that in 2007 the top 1% of income earners paid 40.4% of all federal income taxes, almost twice their share of adjusted gross income.  The top 5% paid 60.6% of all federal income taxes, while earning 37.7% of adjusted gross income.  The top 10% paid 71.2% of all income taxes, while earning 48% of adjusted gross income.

By contrast, the bottom 95% of income earners paid 39.4% of all federal income taxes.  That means the top 1% of income earners paid more federal income taxes than the bottom 95% combined!

[tonymctones]

Any percentage of zero is still zero. 

You forgot "BOOOOOM!!!!" beach

libtard math 100% of 0 is greater than 95% of 100

[AbrahamG]

hahahah what a fucking tard...dont let the facts get in the way there libtard

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/04/19/the-laughable-economic-fallacies-embraced-by-progressives/2/

official IRS data showed that in 2007 the top 1% of income earners paid 40.4% of all federal income taxes, almost twice their share of adjusted gross income.  The top 5% paid 60.6% of all federal income taxes, while earning 37.7% of adjusted gross income.  The top 10% paid 71.2% of all income taxes, while earning 48% of adjusted gross income.

By contrast, the bottom 95% of income earners paid 39.4% of all federal income taxes.  That means the top 1% of income earners paid more federal income taxes than the bottom 95% combined!

Boy you're stupid.  What part of total taxes paid do you struggle with understanding?

[The Showstoppa]

You forgot "BOOOOOM!!!!" beach

libtard math 100% of 0 is greater than 95% of 100

You math sounds culturally biased. 

[tonymctones]

Boy you're stupid.  What part of total taxes paid do you struggle with understanding?

do you not think that others dont pay those same taxes?

LMFAO

[AbrahamG]

do you not think that others dont pay those same taxes?

LMFAO

If you make $20,000 a year and you have to buy food, clothes gasoline or any other necessity for survival you are spending half you're money on taxes of some kind.

Now if you make $200,000 a year and have to buy food, clothes, gasoline or any other necessity for survival your no longer spending half on taxes of some kind.  You may pay more in TOTAL dollars, but in terms of percentage of income?  It's not even close.

[Archer77]

If you make $20,000 a year and you have to buy food, clothes gasoline or any other necessity for survival you are spending half you're money on taxes of some kind.

Now if you make $200,000 a year and have to buy food, clothes, gasoline or any other necessity for survival your no longer spending half on taxes of some kind.  You may pay more in TOTAL dollars, but in terms of percentage of income?  It's not even close.

Don't have kids if you make that little. 

[The Showstoppa]

If you make $20,000 a year and you have to buy food, clothes gasoline or any other necessity for survival you are spending half you're money on taxes of some kind.

Now if you make $200,000 a year and have to buy food, clothes, gasoline or any other necessity for survival your no longer spending half on taxes of some kind.  You may pay more in TOTAL dollars, but in terms of percentage of income?  It's not even close.

But heres the thing.  You use just as many of the govt services, probably more, as the top 1% so why should you pay less for those services?  How much someone makes is irrelecant unless you are a socialist.  Are you a socialist?

[AbrahamG]

Don't have kids if you make that little. 

I don't disagree with you about that, but it's really not my point.

Single guy making 20K has to eat, buy clothes and travel to and from work, grocery stores doctors, whatever.

Single guy making 200K has to do the same.  

Guy making 20K spends 5K on food, clothing, medical, gas whatever.

Guy making 200K spends the same.

Both guys pay about 28% in taxes.

20K guy = 5K + 5K = 10K in total taxes which is 50% of his earnings
200K guy = 5K + 50K = 55K in total taxes which is 27.5% of his earnings

So if 20K guy didn't have to pay 28% and instead paid zero he'd be out 5K total of his 20K earnings.  Which is 25% and is much closer to the guy making 200K.

[Archer77]

I don't disagree with you about that, but it's really not my point.

Single guy making 20K has to eat, buy clothes and travel to and from work, grocery stores doctors, whatever.

Single guy making 200K has to do the same.  

Guy making 20K spends 5K on food, clothing, medical, gas whatever.

Guy making 200K spends the same.

Both guys pay about 28% in taxes.

20K guy = 5K + 5K = 10K in total taxes which is 50% of his earnings
200K guy = 5K + 50K = 55K in total taxes which is 27.5% of his earnings

So if 20K guy didn't have to pay 28% and instead paid zero he'd be out 5K total of his 20K earnings.  Which is 25% and is much closer to the guy making 200K.

Don't get me wrong, I totally believe excise taxes, like the sales taxes and the gas tax, are extremely unfair to the lower end of the economic spectrum.

[tonymctones]

I don't disagree with you about that, but it's really not my point.

Single guy making 20K has to eat, buy clothes and travel to and from work, grocery stores doctors, whatever.

Single guy making 200K has to do the same.  

Guy making 20K spends 5K on food, clothing, medical, gas whatever.

Guy making 200K spends the same.

Both guys pay about 28% in taxes.

20K guy = 5K + 5K = 10K in total taxes which is 50% of his earnings
200K guy = 5K + 50K = 55K in total taxes which is 27.5% of his earnings

So if 20K guy didn't have to pay 28% and instead paid zero he'd be out 5K total of his 20K earnings.  Which is 25% and is much closer to the guy making 200K.

ahh no they guys making 200k has a more expensive car, house and pays for more entertainment than the 20k guy.

[The Showstoppa]

ahh no they guys making 200k has a more expensive car, house and pays for more entertainment than the 20k guy.

And more importantly he has most likely earned that right.  How about the 20k guy try to raise his level instead of pulling the 200k down to his?    Breeds mediocrity. 

[tonymctones]

And more importantly he has most likely earned that right.  How about the 20k guy try to raise his level instead of pulling the 200k down to his?    Breeds mediocrity. 

hahah exactly, why should I be punished b/c I put myself through school taking out loans, going to school at night while working full time and worked hard all the while.

Fuck you abraham go get stick your hands in some other persons pocket

[Dos Equis]

Don't get me wrong, I totally believe excise taxes, like the sales taxes and the gas tax, are extremely unfair to the lower end of the economic spectrum.

How so when they qualify for the earned income tax credit, and wind up getting back more money than they put in?