Author Topic: Self HRT...what do the GB experts say (Read 2480 times)

SamoanIrishman · « **on:** October 30, 2013, 02:56:48 PM »

I know, I know I'm going to get the "unless you are doing at least 500mg a week you're just going to be wasting it" speech but, I want to know what other opinions are out there.

I'm 36 and was REALLY having a hard time finding energy to do things. Docs attributed it to depression, stress or PTSD but I know what I feel and I can honestly say I'm not depressed nor to I have PTSD. I sleep just fine if you know what I mean.

I went to a civilian doc (vs. VA) and asked about low Test levels as a friend of mine currently got diagnosed. Test came back that I am low but still several "points" away from being eligible to be covered by insurance. So, know that in the past I've only done one cycle years ago so I'm no expert but I remember feeling like a fucking 18yr old iron pushing sex god. It literally was like the fountain of youth.

That was when I was on 500mg a week but I'm considering copying my buddy and just getting some test e (or c) and self administer 150mg every 2 weeks (not 3). Though I really enjoyed the Sust so as you can see I'm a bit conflicted.

If you were to go that route, what would you use,dose, how often and why?

Borracho · « **Reply #1 on:** October 30, 2013, 04:29:41 PM »

Define "expert"...

tstmaniac · « **Reply #2 on:** October 30, 2013, 05:19:48 PM »

What were your test levels?

chess315 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 30, 2013, 05:29:51 PM »

makes little sense not to use 200-250 a week and reap the benefits of high test levels

Borracho · « **Reply #4 on:** October 30, 2013, 06:13:17 PM »

Quote from: chess315 on October 30, 2013, 05:29:51 PM

makes little sense not to use 200-250 a week and reap the benefits of high test levels

Void advise unless you're an expert.

Just messing around....I agree, no need to complicate things*.

*do not take my word, I am no expert friend.

AbrahamG · « **Reply #5 on:** October 30, 2013, 07:56:31 PM »

Quote from: SamoanIrishman on October 30, 2013, 02:56:48 PM

I know, I know I'm going to get the "unless you are doing at least 500mg a week you're just going to be wasting it" speech but, I want to know what other opinions are out there.

I'm 36 and was REALLY having a hard time finding energy to do things. Docs attributed it to depression, stress or PTSD but I know what I feel and I can honestly say I'm not depressed nor to I have PTSD. I sleep just fine if you know what I mean.

I went to a civilian doc (vs. VA) and asked about low Test levels as a friend of mine currently got diagnosed. Test came back that I am low but still several "points" away from being eligible to be covered by insurance. So, know that in the past I've only done one cycle years ago so I'm no expert but I remember feeling like a fucking 18yr old iron pushing sex god. It literally was like the fountain of youth.

That was when I was on 500mg a week but I'm considering copying my buddy and just getting some test e (or c) and self administer 150mg every 2 weeks (not 3). Though I really enjoyed the Sust so as you can see I'm a bit conflicted.

If you were to go that route, what would you use,dose, how often and why?

I think 150 every 2 weeks is too low, but if you insist at least split it up into 50 every 5 days or 75 every week. I recommend 75-100 every 5 days with maybe 0.5 arimidex the day after injections. Just my opinion.

SamoanIrishman · « **Reply #6 on:** October 31, 2013, 07:50:23 AM »

That makes sense just so levels stay up right...no roller coaster shit

kushtestgrowth · « **Reply #7 on:** November 03, 2013, 02:13:57 PM »

No less than 200mgs every Monday is my recommendation.

OTHstrong · « **Reply #8 on:** November 07, 2013, 03:34:45 AM »

Quote from: SamoanIrishman on October 30, 2013, 02:56:48 PM

I know, I know I'm going to get the "unless you are doing at least 500mg a week you're just going to be wasting it" speech but, I want to know what other opinions are out there.

I'm 36 and was REALLY having a hard time finding energy to do things. Docs attributed it to depression, stress or PTSD but I know what I feel and I can honestly say I'm not depressed nor to I have PTSD. I sleep just fine if you know what I mean.

I went to a civilian doc (vs. VA) and asked about low Test levels as a friend of mine currently got diagnosed. Test came back that I am low but still several "points" away from being eligible to be covered by insurance. So, know that in the past I've only done one cycle years ago so I'm no expert but I remember feeling like a fucking 18yr old iron pushing sex god. It literally was like the fountain of youth.

That was when I was on 500mg a week but I'm considering copying my buddy and just getting some test e (or c) and self administer 150mg every 2 weeks (not 3). Though I really enjoyed the Sust so as you can see I'm a bit conflicted.

If you were to go that route, what would you use,dose, how often and why?

You won't get that ("unless you are doing at least 500mg a week you're just going to be wasting it" speech) from me but COME ON MAN, 150 EVERY 2 WEEKS IS JUST A ''WHY BOTHER'' SERIOUSLY, 125MG PER WEEK is where it should start, and if your vial says 250mg per ml then you do 0.5 ml (cc) pr week, use test E or test C, not prop or sustenon, also an ai is not needed with such a small amount.

OTHstrong · « **Reply #9 on:** November 07, 2013, 03:39:47 AM »

Quote from: AbrahamG on October 30, 2013, 07:56:31 PM

I think 150 every 2 weeks is too low, but if you insist at least split it up into 50 every 5 days or 75 every week. I recommend 75-100 every 5 days with maybe 0.5 arimidex the day after injections. Just my opinion.

lol, you just said it was to low then you gave him an idea which might even result with it being even lower, lololol

50mg every 5 days is 150mg inside 15 days which actually ends up being even lower then 150mg inside 14 days. lol

falco · « **Reply #10 on:** November 07, 2013, 08:37:32 AM »

For trt porpuses, in europe, i believe doctors prescribe 250mg of enantate or cipionate every 2-3 weeks, assuming you have access to the real stuff. If you buy from underground crap maybe a gram will be enough.

SamoanIrishman · « **Reply #11 on:** November 07, 2013, 08:50:16 AM »

Quote from: Onetimehard on November 07, 2013, 03:34:45 AM

You won't get that ("unless you are doing at least 500mg a week you're just going to be wasting it" speech) from me but COME ON MAN, 150 EVERY 2 WEEKS IS JUST A ''WHY BOTHER'' SERIOUSLY, 125MG PER WEEK is where it should start, and if your vial says 250mg per ml then you do 0.5 ml (cc) pr week, use test E or test C, not prop or sustenon, also an ai is not needed with such a small amount.

Yeah I was actually leaning that way thanks man you just solidified my decision. Think I'll go Test Cyp at 125 wk to cut a the bloating a bit. I seem to be sensitive to Test E when it comes to bloating. I agree with the AI ...I barely needed it when I did my last cycle YEARs ago which was 500mg test a week and come deca to kick start

AbrahamG · « **Reply #12 on:** November 07, 2013, 06:08:48 PM »

Quote from: Onetimehard on November 07, 2013, 03:39:47 AM

lol, you just said it was to low then you gave him an idea which might even result with it being even lower, lololol 50mg every 5 days is 150mg inside 15 days which actually ends up being even lower then 150mg inside 14 days. lol

He'd feel better being more stable. Taking 150 today and nothing for 2 weeks would result in him feeling very good this week, but crashing by weeks end and feeling like dog shit next week. By taking less, more frequently his t levels will be more stable and he'll feel better.

galeniko · « **Reply #13 on:** November 07, 2013, 06:11:48 PM »

Quote from: falco on November 07, 2013, 08:37:32 AM

For trt porpuses, in europe, i believe doctors prescribe 250mg of enantate or cipionate every 2-3 weeks, assuming you have access to the real stuff. If you buy from underground crap maybe a gram will be enough.

yeah ugl to real is 1:4 ratio,something like that.

atleast here.

and yeah e14 days is not a good idea.

OTHstrong · « **Reply #14 on:** November 08, 2013, 06:02:46 AM »

Quote from: AbrahamG on November 07, 2013, 06:08:48 PM

He'd feel better being more stable. Taking 150 today and nothing for 2 weeks would result in him feeling very good this week, but crashing by weeks end and feeling like dog shit next week. By taking less, more frequently his t levels will be more stable and he'll feel better.

oh no bro, I am with you, just made joke that's all, lol.

OTHstrong · « **Reply #15 on:** November 08, 2013, 06:03:42 AM »

Quote from: SamoanIrishman on November 07, 2013, 08:50:16 AM

Yeah I was actually leaning that way thanks man you just solidified my decision. Think I'll go Test Cyp at 125 wk to cut a the bloating a bit. I seem to be sensitive to Test E when it comes to bloating. I agree with the AI ...I barely needed it when I did my last cycle YEARs ago which was 500mg test a week and come deca to kick start

Nice, this is good

AbrahamG · « **Reply #16 on:** November 08, 2013, 06:04:06 PM »

Quote from: Onetimehard on November 08, 2013, 06:02:46 AM

oh no bro, I am with you, just made joke that's all, lol.

My bad.

chess315 · « **Reply #17 on:** November 08, 2013, 07:46:01 PM »

My thought on the matter its my understanding they can't even prove 400mg a week would do any harm long term may even make you live longer . If your just starting later in life such as 30+ i don't see how it could hurt you really with out year of abuse previously

POB · « **Reply #18 on:** November 13, 2013, 12:00:33 AM »

Quote from: kushtestgrowth on November 03, 2013, 02:13:57 PM

No less than 200mgs every Monday is my recommendation.

This and get it from your doctor

SamoanIrishman · « **Reply #19 on:** November 13, 2013, 09:25:24 AM »

It won't happen. A friend of mine who's doc said was the lowest test he's ever seen put him on 200mg (test 3) every 14 days recently. Said that is the max dosage allowed before having to go see an endo specialist

tstmaniac · « **Reply #20 on:** November 14, 2013, 06:57:49 PM »

Quote from: chess315 on November 08, 2013, 07:46:01 PM

My thought on the matter its my understanding they can't even prove 400mg a week would do any harm long term may even make you live longer . If your just starting later in life such as 30+ i don't see how it could hurt you really with out year of abuse previously

400mgs a week long term as an hrt dose is too high.. If your going to go on hrt you should blast and cruise if you still want to cycle..

syntaxmachine · « **Reply #21 on:** November 15, 2013, 12:59:49 PM »

You owe it to yourself to acquire the real stuff since it's within your grasp (I don't live in the States anymore but understand that a variety of Florida clinics would be willing to help you out, if the issue is handled properly) -- or do you not respect your body enough for that?

You're telling me you don't mind injecting stuff derived from Chinese powders and subjected to who-knows-what "lab" (bathtub?) standards with an indeterminate amount of impurities and contaminants for the rest of your life?

Is that rational versus the alternative, which is to do a bit of work and get the real deal?

OTHstrong · « **Reply #22 on:** November 15, 2013, 02:31:50 PM »

Quote from: syntaxmachine on November 15, 2013, 12:59:49 PM

You owe it to yourself to acquire the real stuff since it's within your grasp (I don't live in the States anymore but understand that a variety of Florida clinics would be willing to help you out, if the issue is handled properly) -- or do you not respect your body enough for that?

You're telling me you don't mind injecting stuff derived from Chinese powders and subjected to who-knows-what "lab" (bathtub?) standards with an indeterminate amount of impurities and contaminants for the rest of your life?

Is that rational versus the alternative, which is to do a bit of work and get the real deal?

when we get our gear we trust the source, if you do not then do not buy, simple as that. All this HS about '' you do not know what you are getting'' when dealing with UG is straight non sense. You know the source, they have a good rep, they do everything in their power to make it proper so people come back.

syntaxmachine · « **Reply #23 on:** November 16, 2013, 01:12:06 AM »

Quote from: Onetimehard on November 15, 2013, 02:31:50 PM

when we get our gear we trust the source, if you do not then do not buy, simple as that. All this HS about '' you do not know what you are getting'' when dealing with UG is straight non sense. You know the source, they have a good rep, they do everything in their power to make it proper so people come back.

I was referring to what else may be in said UGL gear.

It seems to me that you're betting that in a country where half the food processing firms fail safety inspections and where hazardous industrial chemicals make their way into a large variety of products, some random (and unaccountable) chemical plant producing the steroidal powders UG"L"'s utilize is going to magically have great quality control AND not cut the powders with anything else, even though it is often in their economic interest to do so.

(It is my understanding that UG"L"'s don't exactly run extensive laboratory tests on raws, so you'd never know.)

Either that, or you simply don't care what's going into your body.

The question is, should the OP either make a similar bet or decide not to care what's going into his body, given that there are pretty reliable (and not overly difficult) means at hand for acquiring real stuff?