Most ludicrous judging decision ever in BB?

[jem123]

I agree that Ronnie looked terrible in 04.  But he didn't have an in career best shape Shawn Ray to challenge him..

He had..blocky Jay?? Badell? Gunter? Rhul??

If Ronnie had competed in say 98 looking like he did in 04 he wouldn't have made the top 6.

Ronnie was lucky that his competition sucked in 04.

And as far as Shawns back being nothing compared to yates, well here is a shot from 95, when dorian was in shape, and I would say that Shawn actually beats dorian in this pose!


that is one impressive double bi!

Man are you deluded.Only a fool would believe that Shawn had a better back shot than Yates.

That was Yates' strength. Shawn was a match for Dorian in 94 from the front but when Yates turned around it was lights out.

Try looking at a picture that has both Doz and Shawn straight on in that pose and you will soon see why Yates won in 94.

[tommywishbone]

One top bodybuilder slept with a transvestite named Sasha Ogata.

That was probably the worst judgement call in BBing history.

I have slept with a tranny before, but I don't consider myself a top bodybuiler, but thanks for the compliment.


Edit: Franco winning in '81. Absurd.

[BigBlock]

Need I say more??

How about a pic where they are both in the same pose?

[Hulkster]

I am not saying that Shawn had a better back.  I am merely pointing out, as was stated in several magazine reviews of the 94 Olympia, that Dorians back (esp. the lower back) "had filled in and flattened somewhat" and that Shawn's back was "detailed enough to hold its own against Yates".

These are direct quotes from Musclemags reveiw of the contest.

And they show one thing:  Yates ace in the hole (the back) was not the weapon in 1994 that is usually was.

Shawns, while not nearly as thick and wide, was superdetailed enough to make Dorian sweat.

Yates back being down in impressiveness only adds to the rest of his flaws (gut, soft, torn biceps) that made 1994's victory so controversial.

[Scimowser]

Dorian had the back, but shawn didnt have a single weakness in his entire physique. This is the man with the best abs and serratus ever seen onstage, the very personification of symmetrical perfection. There is no doubt he should have won atleast twice

[jem123]

Dorian had the back, but shawn didnt have a single weakness in his entire physique. This is the man with the best abs and serratus ever seen onstage, the very personification of symmetrical perfection. There is no doubt he should have won atleast twice

When exactly?

Don't get me wrong. Shawn was a great BB but he had to contend with 3 great champions, and the bottom line is he was not as good as Haney, Yates or Coleman.

You can argue the same points about Levrone and Wheeler, but hey, its all about opinion

[LeePriestLover]

Enough said   

Right - enough said because any asshole who thinks that Ronnie wasn't referring to JAY as being second should be committed. 

[Hulkster]

When exactly?

Don't get me wrong. Shawn was a great BB but he had to contend with 3 great champions, and the bottom line is he was not as good as Haney, Yates or Coleman.

You can argue the same points about Levrone and Wheeler, but hey, its all about opinion

Shawn placed a very controversial second in 1996 as well.

And as far as Shawn not being as good as Yates Haney and Coleman, well, when all are at their best maybe not.

BUT what you will notice about ALL of these "controversies" is that the winner was NEVER at their best, always WAY off:

eg. Arnold 80, Coleman O1 and 02, Yates 94 and 96.

When the champs show up in bad shape, thats when the "underdogs" sometimes deserve to win the crown (esp. if the underdoog is in shape!)

[Mr. Intenseone]

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That was Yates' strength. Shawn was a match for Dorian in 94 from the front but when Yates turned around it was lights out.

Well at least it wasn't "lights out" in that shot. Sorry dude, Yates might have been bigger, but as far as detail from head to toe, Shawn made him look sick, especially in the arm and delt detail in which Yates' arms are practically none existant. He had waaay to many flaws to beat Shawn. Just as today, the judges had their heads up their butts!!

[jem123]

Well at least it wasn't "lights out" in that shot. Sorry dude, Yates might have been bigger, but as far as detail from head to toe, Shawn made him look sick, especially in the arm and delt detail in which Yates' arms are practically none existant. He had waaay to many flaws to beat Shawn. Just as today, the judges had their heads up their butts!!

As I also mentioned that shot is not straight onand thus can often give the impression that one BB is better than another.
Also a photograph does not always give the true picture and can be decieving.
Shawn was a very good BB but as for him beating Doz from the back, its like trying to piss down your own back - Aint never gonna happen.

Yates, along with Coleman had the best back in BB history. While Doz may not have been at his best, it was still good enough.

[Hulkster]

here is Yates' back double bi from the 94 Olympia.

Certainly not what it looked like in 93.  Very soft compared to shawns. And even Kevins could hold its own against that. Not in 93, but in 94 certainly.

Sorry, I just don't feel that Dorian deserved to win lat width alone, since, in the condition he was in, that is about all he had going for him. I mean, seriously, look at how horrible these shot are:




how is it that THIS was "good enough" to beat Shawn and Kevin in the kind of shape that they were in in 1994?

I'm just not seeing it..

See if it were a situation similar to ronnie 2004, where the defending champ was holding water, but had no really good competition, then maybe I can understand.

But it was the defending champ who was not only holding water, he had THE worst front double bi in Mr. O. history (by virtue of the tear, and body taper) and he was facing some of the GREATEST compeition of all time.

[pumpster]

Several:

Haney & Columbu:        10 Olympias

Robinson, Fox,               0 Olympias
Padilla, Mentzer,
Callender

[The Ugly]

Though I think Ronnie's back has surpassed Dorian's, no one--past or present--can match this front lat spread.

Ronnie's, in fact, is pretty shitty, considering.

[GMCtrk]

[Hulkster]

Those are awesome pics!!

and by the way,


Dorian's arms are amazing...ly bad!

now that I see those lineup pics, to me anyway, Shawn does look better than Dorian in each of them.  Yes, even the back double bi.  Now, most won't agree with me, hey, what can ya do

[Hulkster]

I still can't believe that Jocelyn Pelletier lost the 2004 ironman. I mean, gimme a break!

[GMCtrk]

If anyone got screwed in 94 it was Cormier...you could easily argue for him beating Ray...

[The Ugly]

If anyone got screwed in 94 it was Cormier...you could easily argue for him beating Ray...

I'd have to go with Shawn.

[Mr. Intenseone]

Those are awesome pics!!

and by the way,


Dorian's arms are amazing...ly bad!

now that I see those lineup pics, to me anyway, Shawn does look better than Dorian in each of them.  Yes, even the back double bi.  Now, most won't agree with me, hey, what can ya do

Like I said...Yates' arms were non existant in every back shot!!

[Bear]

I have slept with a tranny before, but I don't consider myself a top bodybuiler, but thanks for the compliment.


Edit: Franco winning in '81. Absurd.

I second this. Padilla came 5th too! That is f*cking f*cked!! What a bunch of sh*t, I say f*ck it!

[Danny]

Enough said   

Or even better you can quote a huuuuge Ronnie fan ... " Need I say more " ...

[phyxsius]

Weider sold to AMI

[tommywishbone]

I still can't believe that Jocelyn Pelletier lost the 2004 ironman. I mean, gimme a break!

Excellent. If he hadn't been wearing his watch during his routine, he might have won... it was close.

[240 is Back]

Excellent. If he hadn't been wearing his watch during his routine, he might have won... it was close.

He didn't want to miss Wheel of Fortune.



Plus it was meatloaf night at the retirement home.

[tommywishbone]