Ted Cruz tells Trayvons' mother why Stand Your Ground laws are important

[tonymctones]

The media generated outrage over this completely anomalous incident is the real tragedy.  Its a shame this dead boy has been used as a prop to propagate untruths in order to forward a political agenda.

careful archer you will be labeled a racist if you keep talking like that

[Jack T. Cross]

fear isnt enough my friend...imminent bodily harm or peril of death.

someone walking toward you doesnt constitute imminent bodily harm or chance of death

...and it's a matter of record that he was followed, which makes a most workable base.

[Archer77]

careful archer you will be labeled a racist if you keep talking like that

Isn't that always the goal in any situation where race is involved.  

[tonymctones]

...and a matter of record that he was followed, which makes a most workable base.

again someone following you isnt imminent bodily harm or chance of death is it?

[Jack T. Cross]

again someone following you isnt imminent bodily harm or chance of death is it?

You wouldn't expect Martin to say Zimmerman was simply following him, would you?

[tonymctones]

You wouldn't expect Martin to say Zimmerman was simply following him, would you?

yes zimmerman was posing imminent bodily harm by ramming his face against trayvons fists and bashing his own head against the ground....look I dont want to hash this out again youre just amazingly ignorant in regards to this subject. A jury of zimmermans peers said he was innocent of any crime in regards to this so just get the fuck over it.

[Jack T. Cross]

yes zimmerman was posing imminent bodily harm by ramming his face against trayvons fists and bashing his own head against the ground....look I dont want to hash this out again youre just amazingly ignorant in regards to this subject. A jury of zimmermans peers said he was innocent of any crime in regards to this so just get the fuck over it.

Does it bother you that John Good did not see or hear any blows landing?

[tonymctones]

Does it bother you that John Good did not see or hear any blows landing?

I know when trayvon was on top and making downward striking motions they were really just playing patty cake

the jury heard the evidence and said zimmerman was not guilty, fucking deal with it already.

[Jack T. Cross]

I know when trayvon was on top and making downward striking motions they were really just playing patty cake

the jury heard the evidence and said zimmerman was not guilty, fucking deal with it already.

Answer the question.

[Archer77]

Answer the question.

Like this?

[Jack T. Cross]

Like this?

Probably to you, Archer. lol

 

[tonymctones]

Answer the question.

i thought I did....

he saw trayvon on top of zimmerman and saw him making striking motions down on to zimmerman, WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK THEY WERE DOING?

you combine his testimony with the fact zimmerman had injuries consistent with being punched in the face and having his head bounced off the concrete and no I HAVE NO PROBLEM HE DIDNT SPECIFICALLY SEE FIST CONNECT WITH FACE

[Jack T. Cross]

i thought I did....

he saw trayvon on top of zimmerman and saw him making striking motions down on to zimmerman, WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK THEY WERE DOING?

you combine his testimony with the fact zimmerman had injuries consistent with being punched in the face and having his head bounced off the concrete and no I HAVE NO PROBLEM HE DIDNT SPECIFICALLY SEE FIST CONNECT WITH FACE

He didn't see or hear any striking, and he says it could have easily been pinning - which goes perfectly with the presence of a gun.

So please quit making shit up as you go along.

If you don't want to discuss it, you should have STFU on this thread, instead of directly engaging another person.

[tonymctones]

He didn't see or hear any striking, and he says it could have easily been pinning - which goes perfectly with the presence of a gun.

So please quit making shit up as you go along.

If you don't want to discuss it, you should have STFU on this thread, instead of directly engaging another person.

yes b/c you always make stiking movements when pinning someone to the ground

face it bro, you are looking for evidence to point to a guilty zimmerman instead of looking at the evidence objectively and basing your decision off of that.

The jury did the later and came to the same conclusion any rational person looking at the facts would, not guilty.

and this thread wasnt about the trayvon martin case, it was about the stand your ground law and why this case has NOTHING THE FUCK TO DO WITH IT

[Jack T. Cross]

yes b/c you always make stiking movements when pinning someone to the ground

face it bro, you are looking for evidence to point to a guilty zimmerman instead of looking at the evidence objectively and basing your decision off of that.

The jury did the later and came to the same conclusion any rational person looking at the facts would, not guilty.

and this thread wasnt about the trayvon martin case, it was about the stand your ground law and why this case has NOTHING THE FUCK TO DO WITH IT

No. I'm pointing out that the witness saw only movement, and he thinks it may have been pinning.

He did not see or hear anyone being struck. That is cold, hard fact.

A gun leads to aggressive pinning, while aggressive pinning leads to a flattened-out nose and a banged head.

And I agree: The case is over. It is done. We can only hope for the best in the future.

[tonymctones]

No. I'm pointing out that the witness saw only movement, and he thinks it may have been pinning.

He did not see or hear anyone being struck. That is cold, hard fact.

A gun leads to aggressive pinning, while aggressive pinning leads to a flattened-out nose and a banged head.

And I agree: The case is over. It is done. We can only hope for the best in the future.

no what he thinks is that the person on top who was trayvon was striking zimmerman, he didnt say he thought he was simply pinning him...

[Jack T. Cross]

no what he thinks is that the person on top who was trayvon was striking zimmerman, he didnt say he thought he was simply pinning him...

I've posted his testimony countless times, and will be happy to drag it up again.

[tonymctones]

I've posted his testimony countless times, and will be happy to drag it up again.

absolutely post his testimony where he says he thinks trayvon was just trying to pin zimmerman down

[Jack T. Cross]

absolutely post his testimony where he says he thinks trayvon was just trying to pin zimmerman down

That's fine. I don't want to hear any more bitching about how you're sick of the case.

[Jack T. Cross]

BTW, anyone who thinks there's some "liberal media" that was anxious to convict Zimmerman (instead of a shit-stirring media that wanted him to walk), needs to read this, and notice the headline on the source page versus the text of the testimony.


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ROBERT SIEGEL, HOST:

And I'm Robert Siegel. Today, in the trial of George Zimmerman, a key witness bolstered Zimmerman's claim that he acted in self-defense when he killed teenager Trayvon Martin. The witness was a neighbor in the Sanford, Florida community where Zimmerman encountered Martin and he was the only person to see them fight before Zimmerman fired the gunshot that ended Martin's life.

Here's NPR's Greg Allen.

GREG ALLEN, BYLINE: On that night in February of last year, John Good and his wife were watching TV in their townhome when Good says he heard sounds outside. In the courtroom in Sanford today, he told prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda he opened the sliding door to his patio and stepped outside. He saw two people struggling and one soon was on top of the other in a straddling position. He said he could tell it was serious.

JOHN GOOD: Because it looked like there were strikes being thrown or punches being thrown, but as I clarified, due to the lighting, it could have also been, you know, holding down.

ALLEN: This is a story John Good has told many times before. He spoke to police that night and, over the next 16 months, was interviewed by other police, state investigators, prosecutors and the defense. In an early interview, he said the person on top was, quote, "raining down blows in a style similar to MMA," Mixed Martial Arts fighting. In more recent depositions, though, Good modified that description, saying he's not sure now he saw any blows struck.

In the courtroom, he said he never saw Trayvon Martin slam George Zimmerman's head against the concrete as the defendant claims. De la Rionda picked up the questioning.

BERNIE DE LA RIONDA: The person on top - could you tell where that person on top was actually striking? And here's what I'm going to do.

(SOUNDBITE OF SLAPPING NOISE)

RIONDA: Were they going like this?

GOOD: I could not hear that. No.

RIONDA: Could you hear...

(SOUNDBITE OF POUNDING NOISE)

RIONDA: ...this?

GOOD: No.

ALLEN: Several other neighbors from the townhome community who have testified so far have raised questions about parts of Zimmerman's story. Except for John Good, though, none actually saw the fight before the shot was fired.

Under questioning by Zimmerman's lawyer Mark O'Mara today, Good confirmed some key parts of Zimmerman's version of events.

MARK O'MARA: The person who you now know to be Trayvon Martin was on top. Correct?

GOOD: Correct.

O'MARA: And he was the one who was raining blows down on the person on the bottom, George Zimmerman. Right?

GOOD: That's what it looked like.

ALLEN: O'Mara also got Good to confirm another key part of Zimmerman's story that the Neighborhood Watch volunteer was the one calling for help.

O'MARA: You now believe that that was George Zimmerman's voice. Correct?

GOOD: I never said that.

O'MARA: Do you believe...

GOOD: It could have been his, but I was not 100 percent sure.

O'MARA: I'm not asking for 100 percent certainty. I'm asking you to use your common sense and to tell us if you think that that was George Zimmerman's voice screaming for help, the person on the bottom.

GOOD: That's just my opinion.

Greg Allen, NPR News, Miami.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=196691611

[Archer77]

O'MARA: And he was the one who was raining blows down on the person on the bottom, George Zimmerman. Right?

GOOD: That's what it looked like.

[Jack T. Cross]

O'MARA: And he was the one who was raining blows down on the person on the bottom, George Zimmerman. Right?

GOOD: That's what it looked like.

GOOD: ...as I clarified, due to the lighting, it could have also been, you know, holding down.

This is what he said, Archer. It is exactly what it is.

[Archer77]

GOOD: ...as I clarified, due to the lighting, it could have also been, you know, holding down.

This is what he said, Archer. It is exactly what it is.

Which doesn't mean he WAS holding him down.  It only means he might have been.

[tonymctones]

GOOD: ...as I clarified, due to the lighting, it could have also been, you know, holding down.

This is what he said, Archer. It is exactly what it is.

hahaha and you get "he said he thinks he was pinning him down" from that?

no wonder youre so fucking off as to the obvious judgement on this...

[Jack T. Cross]

..and attempts to "hold down" are absolutely consistent with the presence of a gun.

So let's quit acting as though this is as pat as it comes.