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Re: Ted Cruz tells Trayvons' mother why Stand Your Ground laws are important
« Reply #50 on: November 01, 2013, 06:48:22 PM »
Which doesn't mean he WAS holding him down.  It only means he might have been.
No shit, this guy got "he was holding him down" from that lol

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Re: Ted Cruz tells Trayvons' mother why Stand Your Ground laws are important
« Reply #51 on: November 01, 2013, 06:49:48 PM »
..and attempts to "hold down" are absolutely consistent with the presence of a gun.

So let's quit acting as though this is as pat as it comes.

 Proof that its consistent with the presence of a gun?  It isn't as pat as it appears which leaves plenty of room for reasonable doubt.
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Re: Ted Cruz tells Trayvons' mother why Stand Your Ground laws are important
« Reply #52 on: November 01, 2013, 06:51:31 PM »
Even if it were consistent with the presence of a gun that says nothing about who was the aggressor or whether the gun was drawn, when it was drawn, why it was drawn and whether trayvon was reaching for it or not.   A lot of room for speculation.
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Re: Ted Cruz tells Trayvons' mother why Stand Your Ground laws are important
« Reply #53 on: November 01, 2013, 06:52:59 PM »
Guns will cause frantic, aggressive attempts at pinning; while frantic, aggressive attempts at pinning will cause flattened noses and banged heads.

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Re: Ted Cruz tells Trayvons' mother why Stand Your Ground laws are important
« Reply #54 on: November 01, 2013, 06:54:02 PM »
Guns will cause frantic, aggressive attempts at pinning; while frantic, aggressive attempts at pinning will cause flattened noses and banged heads.

Proof for this.  Behavioral studies, perhaps?  Crime reports. 
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Re: Ted Cruz tells Trayvons' mother why Stand Your Ground laws are important
« Reply #55 on: November 01, 2013, 06:55:42 PM »
Proof for this.  Behavioral studies, perhaps?  Crime reports. 

What, specifically, could you attempt to deny?

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Re: Ted Cruz tells Trayvons' mother why Stand Your Ground laws are important
« Reply #56 on: November 01, 2013, 06:57:34 PM »
What, specifically, could you attempt to deny?


You made the claim, you provide the proof.   
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Re: Ted Cruz tells Trayvons' mother why Stand Your Ground laws are important
« Reply #57 on: November 01, 2013, 06:59:04 PM »
Guns will cause frantic, aggressive attempts at pinning; while frantic, aggressive attempts at pinning will cause flattened noses and banged heads.
youre reaching so fucking much its ridiculous.

again youre trying to find evidence against zimmerman not being objective

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Re: Ted Cruz tells Trayvons' mother why Stand Your Ground laws are important
« Reply #58 on: November 01, 2013, 06:59:56 PM »

You made the claim, you provide the proof.   

Is that a no comment, Archer?

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Re: Ted Cruz tells Trayvons' mother why Stand Your Ground laws are important
« Reply #59 on: November 01, 2013, 07:02:12 PM »
Is that a no comment, Archer?

I was asking you to provide proof to back up your statement.  Its not necessary to for me to comment on it because I didn't assert the opinion in the first place, you did.
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Re: Ted Cruz tells Trayvons' mother why Stand Your Ground laws are important
« Reply #60 on: November 01, 2013, 07:04:59 PM »
I was asking you to provide proof to back up your statement.  Its not necessary to for me to comment on it because I didn't assert the opinion in the first place, you did.

...yet you won't attempt to deny it, because you can't do that without making yourself look foolish. Right?

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Re: Ted Cruz tells Trayvons' mother why Stand Your Ground laws are important
« Reply #61 on: November 01, 2013, 07:05:16 PM »
...yet you won't attempt to deny it, because you can't do that without making yourself look foolish. Right?
wow youre a fucking idiot

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Re: Ted Cruz tells Trayvons' mother why Stand Your Ground laws are important
« Reply #62 on: November 01, 2013, 07:08:18 PM »
lol..you guys are too much.

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Re: Ted Cruz tells Trayvons' mother why Stand Your Ground laws are important
« Reply #63 on: November 01, 2013, 07:08:32 PM »
...yet you won't attempt to deny it, because you can't do that without making yourself look foolish. Right?

I was asking you to provide concrete proof for my personal edification.  The burden of proof is on you not me.
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Re: Ted Cruz tells Trayvons' mother why Stand Your Ground laws are important
« Reply #64 on: November 01, 2013, 07:10:34 PM »
wow youre a fucking idiot

How can I deny something I never claimed to be true or untrue.  I neither said the struggle was consistent with a gun or not.  I have nothing to deny because I never asserted an opinion on it.
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Re: Ted Cruz tells Trayvons' mother why Stand Your Ground laws are important
« Reply #65 on: November 01, 2013, 07:13:12 PM »
lol..you guys are too much.

All you have to do is provide proof or admit its your opinion.
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Re: Ted Cruz tells Trayvons' mother why Stand Your Ground laws are important
« Reply #66 on: November 01, 2013, 07:15:24 PM »
Facepalm.

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Re: Ted Cruz tells Trayvons' mother why Stand Your Ground laws are important
« Reply #67 on: November 01, 2013, 07:17:01 PM »
How can I deny something I never claimed to be true or untrue.  I neither said the struggle was consistent with a gun or not.  I have nothing to deny because I never asserted an opinion on it.

So you can't and won't deny it, Archer, but you'll decline further comment.

Got it.

 ;D

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Re: Ted Cruz tells Trayvons' mother why Stand Your Ground laws are important
« Reply #68 on: November 01, 2013, 07:18:21 PM »
 :)

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Re: Ted Cruz tells Trayvons' mother why Stand Your Ground laws are important
« Reply #69 on: November 01, 2013, 07:20:24 PM »
This case had some velocity to it, I'll say that.

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Re: Ted Cruz tells Trayvons' mother why Stand Your Ground laws are important
« Reply #70 on: November 01, 2013, 07:20:33 PM »
So you can't and won't deny it, Archer, but you'll decline further comment.

Got it.

 ;D

double facepalm.

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Re: Ted Cruz tells Trayvons' mother why Stand Your Ground laws are important
« Reply #71 on: November 01, 2013, 07:22:19 PM »
So you can't and won't deny it, Archer, but you'll decline further comment.

Got it.

 ;D


There isn't anything for me to comment on.  You made the comment, I didn't.   You're the one who continues to decline to comment.  You refuse to provide proof to back up your claim.
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Re: Ted Cruz tells Trayvons' mother why Stand Your Ground laws are important
« Reply #72 on: November 01, 2013, 07:23:29 PM »
double facepalm.

lol, Shockwave.  :)

BTW, Archer...avxo fixed his post on the other thread, and there are some comments directed at you.

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Re: Ted Cruz tells Trayvons' mother why Stand Your Ground laws are important
« Reply #73 on: November 01, 2013, 07:29:39 PM »
There isn't anything for me to comment on.  You made the comment, I didn't.   You're the one who continues to decline to comment.  You refuse to provide proof to back up your claim.

Knowing that any reasonable person would agree that it is a sensible statement, is all I need. (No offense to your sensibilities, Archer)

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Re: Ted Cruz tells Trayvons' mother why Stand Your Ground laws are important
« Reply #74 on: November 01, 2013, 07:30:55 PM »
Going to call it a day, bros. Catch you guys later.