jay was def. off this year. jay was smooth and had a gut. looked much better in 04. gunter looked great at the night show. looks like shit, with no tan, in those prejudging pics. he could beat jay and i think he should. he's bigger, harder, but sometimes his conditioning when off really highlights his structural flaws. a few mass cycles designed by chad should do him good. none of this taking off shit if he wants to win. if he doenst then he can take all the time off in the world and finish in 2nd place for life (cue kevin levrone).