interesting points about virginia election..

[JOHN MATRIX]

"Incredibly, the libertarian 3rd party candidate who was funded by a major obama donor in order to bleed votes from cuccineli, had his name on the ballot and got 7% of the vote, votes which otherwise would have given cuccinelli the win."

This article makes the assumption that at least 80% of Libertarians would have voted Republican.

Libertarians want the govt to stay out of their business... and while the dems are socialist punks, the repubs do love to stick their nose in people's business when it comes to abortion, gay rights, and a lot of other issues.  And Repubs love war, which libertarians hate.  Repubs love to lock up drug offenders, while dems and libertarians are selling each other pot.  

So I guess what I'm asking is, "Do Libertarians choose Republican when they have to choose (D) or (R)?"  

Once again, it is unanimously agreed that sarvis took more votes from cuc than mcaulif. If there were only 2 names on the ballot, and even half the sarvis voters voted for cuc, he would have won.

We can stop pretending that even a single one of them would have voted for a liberal democrat, or that a vote for sarvis translated to anything other than a vote for mcauliffe.

[tu_holmes]

Once again, it is unanimously agreed that sarvis took more votes from cuc than mcaulif. If there were only 2 names on the ballot, and even half the sarvis voters voted for cuc, he would have won.

We can stop pretending that even a single one of them would have voted for a liberal democrat, or that a vote for sarvis translated to anything other than a vote for mcauliffe.

Uh... I voted for Sarvis.

I would have voted for McAuliffe... So... Yes.

I am 1 of those you say doesn't exist.

[Soul Crusher]

Uh... I voted for Sarvis.

I would have voted for McAuliffe... So... Yes.

I am 1 of those you say doesn't exist.

Do you even remember who mcaullife was during the Clinton and presidency and dirty deals that he was involved in? 

[tu_holmes]

Do you even remember who mcaullife was during the Clinton and presidency and dirty deals that he was involved in? 

I did more research on both candidates than probably anyone.

Being associated with Clinton is NOT a bad thing... Let's remember that the US economy was at an extreme high point and let's be honest... Cuccinelli sucked.

Why do people outside of Va. care so much about what the Va. Governorship is?

[JOHN MATRIX]

Uh... I voted for Sarvis.

I would have voted for McAuliffe... So... Yes.

I am 1 of those you say doesn't exist.

Interesting...how can you support both a libertarian and a liberal democrat? The political ideologies are practically opposite

[Soul Crusher]

Interesting...how can you support both a libertarian and a liberal democrat? The political ideologies are practically opposite

This is exactly my problem w most people who vote for libertarians in close elections lately. 

[LurkerNoMore]

I can't believe you guys are still talking about ObamaCare.

Let's be clear... It sucks, but it's the law of the land and it ain't going NOWHERE.

And do you know why?

It's the Republicans own damn fault... They had YEARS to come up with a good healthcare plan after they shot down Clinton in the 90s and never did shit.

So now, when Obama has all the cards, they want to fight against it without any real alternative... Yeah... that makes sense.

Look, ObamaCare sucks ass, but it's something... which is more than the Republicans did for years!

Now you want to blame Obama for your loss in Va? Let me be clear... if the Republican didn't suck, there wouldn't have been an alternative to worry about.

But noooo... Your bud Cuccinelli is a complete Uber Right Wing Shill and loses... You can try to blame libertarians, but really, it's the Republicans own damn fault and you full well know it.

truth

[tu_holmes]

Interesting...how can you support both a libertarian and a liberal democrat? The political ideologies are practically opposite

Perhaps, but when you look at the most recent political climate, the fact is that you will get less people telling you how to live your life if you vote for a Democrat over a Republican these days.

The old school Republican... The ones who didn't care about telling you what to do, they WOULD have gotten my vote, but now... No.

What was it I recently read?

"Liberals believe that the government knows best and should control what you MUST do. Conservatives believe that the government knows best and should control what you MUST NOT do."

They are both shit... but at least they aren't sitting around wasting money on who should or shouldn't get married.

Conservatives are just as far from Libertarians as Democrats are.

[Soul Crusher]

LMFAO really?   Due to obamacare and the leftists pos like Obama McAuliffe et al - its costing me 300 more a month to run my life due to communistcare.

There is more to life than abortion and twinks marrying 

Perhaps, but when you look at the most recent political climate, the fact is that you will get less people telling you how to live your life if you vote for a Democrat over a Republican these days.

The old school Republican... The ones who didn't care about telling you what to do, they WOULD have gotten my vote, but now... No.

What was it I recently read?

"Liberals believe that the government knows best and should control what you MUST do. Conservatives believe that the government knows best and should control what you MUST NOT do."

They are both shit... but at least they aren't sitting around wasting money on who should or shouldn't get married.

Conservatives are just as far from Libertarians as Democrats are.

[tu_holmes]

LMFAO really?   Due to obamacare and the leftists pos like Obama McAuliffe et al - its costing me 300 more a month to run my life due to communistcare.

There is more to life than abortion and twinks marrying 

Then why do the republicans keep making those things issues?

The REPUBLICANS bring it up... The Democrats respond in kind to use it AGAINST the republicans.

If there's more to it, then why do the Republicans NOT LET IT FUCKING GO?

WHY DIDN'T THE REPUBLICANS SPEND ALL OF THAT TIME THEY HAD IT ALL MAKING A HEALTHCARE BILL THAT WORKS!?

You can keep bitching, and I do NOT like Obamacare, but there's sure as hell no stopping it now.

Great job republicans for fucking it up!

[Soul Crusher]

Don't know and don't agree w it - but there is more to life that abortion and gay marriage for fucks sake! 

I have to pay 3k more a year because liberals want to tell me how to run my life. 

So tell me again now why the GOP is worse? 

Then why do the republicans keep making those things issues?

The REPUBLICANS bring it up... The Democrats respond in kind to use it AGAINST the republicans.

If there's more to it, then why do the Republicans NOT LET IT FUCKING GO?

WHY DIDN'T THE REPUBLICANS SPEND ALL OF THAT TIME THEY HAD IT ALL MAKING A HEALTHCARE BILL THAT WORKS!?

You can keep bitching, and I do NOT like Obamacare, but there's sure as hell no stopping it now.

Great job republicans for fucking it up!

[tu_holmes]

Don't know and don't agree w it - but there is more to life that abortion and gay marriage for fucks sake! 

I have to pay 3k more a year because liberals want to tell me how to run my life. 

So tell me again now why the GOP is worse? 

I already told you... You just aren't reading it.

They made non-issues issues, and are now pissed that they aren't winning those issues... I've been saying it for years and only now are people realizing it.

If they had actually bothered to do something before that mattered, you wouldn't be bitching about this today would you?

[Soul Crusher]

I already told you... You just aren't reading it.

They made non-issues issues, and are now pissed that they aren't winning those issues... I've been saying it for years and only now are people realizing it.

If they had actually bothered to do something before that mattered, you wouldn't be bitching about this today would you?

I agree they shouldn't and it turns me off - but those things don't affect me or most people one iota.    EVERYONE who works is going to get fucked by obamacare

[tu_holmes]

I agree they shouldn't and it turns me off - but those things don't affect me or most people one iota.    EVERYONE who works is going to get fucked by obamacare

Maybe so, but when they had the chance they did nothing... NOTHING.

Why are you so mad at the Democrats and unwilling to put some of the onus on the Republicans for not doing something when they had the chance?

They have gone around and around saying that they could have done better... yet they didn't do ANYTHING when they had the chance... Why?

Do you think Iraq was more important than this now? Seems like they could have spent a few cycles doing something about healthcare instead of going after Saddam... Maybe we wouldn't be in this mess with Obamacare now.

[Soul Crusher]

Maybe so, but when they had the chance they did nothing... NOTHING.

Why are you so mad at the Democrats and unwilling to put some of the onus on the Republicans for not doing something when they had the chance?

They have gone around and around saying that they could have done better... yet they didn't do ANYTHING when they had the chance... Why?

Do you think Iraq was more important than this now? Seems like they could have spent a few cycles doing something about healthcare instead of going after Saddam... Maybe we wouldn't be in this mess with Obamacare now.

Health care was not a crisis as the far left tried to make it.  They sought that issue for power and control - nothing else. 

[tu_holmes]

Health care was not a crisis as the far left tried to make it.  They sought that issue for power and control - nothing else. 

It wasn't the crisis to you... but apparently there were millions of people who did consider it a crisis.

Gay marriage wasn't a crisis, but the Republicans made sure to put that out there all over the place didn't they.

[Soul Crusher]

It wasn't the crisis to you... but apparently there were millions of people who did consider it a crisis.

Gay marriage wasn't a crisis, but the Republicans made sure to put that out there all over the place didn't they.

And guess what - putting liberal do gooders and far leftist communist shit for brains in charge ended up w even more uninsured and even higher prices as many of us predicted long ago. 

I don't give a fuck if fags want to marry.  Let em.  Me paying 300 more a month due to communistcare and delusional liberal drug addicts like Obama et al getting their way to assuage their Marxist fantasies?  No fucking thanks - EVEr. 

[bears]

It wasn't the crisis to you... but apparently there were millions of people who did consider it a crisis.

Gay marriage wasn't a crisis, but the Republicans made sure to put that out there all over the place didn't they.

and there will still be millions without healthcare.  but the libs will deny that its a crisis and the republicans will bring light to the fact that there are still millions without healthcare and they will call it a crisis. its the power of television.

the conservatives will now become the bleeding hearts who worry about the people who don't have healthcare.  and the dems will now become the realists who understand that some people will just fall through the cracks.

and the cycle continues.

[240 is Back]

Once again, it is unanimously agreed that sarvis took more votes from cuc than mcaulif. If there were only 2 names on the ballot, and even half the sarvis voters voted for cuc, he would have won.

We can stop pretending that even a single one of them would have voted for a liberal democrat, or that a vote for sarvis translated to anything other than a vote for mcauliffe.

I dont understand... Dem bag of shite won by 2 points.  If "even half" of the liberals had voted for the repub, the "other half" would have voted for the dem, who still would have won.

The Repub would have had to GAIN ground to cover those 2 points, meaning what, 70% (I'm guessing) of those libertarians would have had to vote repub.  Just splitting doesn't help the guy trailing by 2.

[tu_holmes]

And guess what - putting liberal do gooders and far leftist communist shit for brains in charge ended up w even more uninsured and even higher prices as many of us predicted long ago. 

I don't give a fuck if fags want to marry.  Let em.  Me paying 300 more a month due to communistcare and delusional liberal drug addicts like Obama et al getting their way to assuage their Marxist fantasies?  No fucking thanks - EVEr. 

Not saying it was better... I have never said it was good.

But when you do NOTHING, and someone comes along and does "something", then the people who have no hope, they are going to fall for it.

I didn't want it either, but it's here, and it's not going anywhere.

[Soul Crusher]

Not saying it was better... I have never said it was good.

But when you do NOTHING, and someone comes along and does "something", then the people who have no hope, they are going to fall for it.

I didn't want it either, but it's here, and it's not going anywhere.

Sometimes doing nothing is better than acting for the sake of acting when ones' plans were as ridiculous as obamacare, as predicted from DAY 1 from many of us, myself included. 


I and other on this board predicted to the freaking tee what a mess obamacare would be

[tu_holmes]

Sometimes doing nothing is better than acting for the sake of acting when ones' plans were as ridiculous as obamacare, as predicted from DAY 1 from many of us, myself included. 


I and other on this board predicted to the freaking tee what a mess obamacare would be

I predicted it as well, but it wasn't sold to me... It was sold to other people. My insurance coverage is and always has been way better than any of that crap, but then, it's not about me.

You can't argue that some things in the healthcare law are good too....

Letting kids stay on parents plans until 26.

No longer allowing people to be denied because of pre-existing conditions...

Those are good things right? Do you not like those?

[Soul Crusher]

I predicted it as well, but it wasn't sold to me... It was sold to other people. My insurance coverage is and always has been way better than any of that crap, but then, it's not about me.

You can't argue that some things in the healthcare law are good too....

Letting kids stay on parents plans until 26.

No longer allowing people to be denied because of pre-existing conditions...

Those are good things right? Do you not like those?

No I don't like those things.  That is not insurance in the sense of what insurance is - but welfare.   If you have a house and carry no insurance and have a fire, can you call Allstate the day after and be like "Hey I had a house fire yesterday - I need a policy" ?  No.  Its welfare and the best the thing to do is separate those people into high risk pools and deal w them alone so that those who are young healthy and fit don't keep getting fucked

[Coach is Back!]

hugely flawed is probably still an understatement yet he wins over a teabagger

Repubs literally gave this election away to the Dems

You don't get it do you? He barley won and almost lost. Thats not a good sign for you libs but I'm sure you'll buy another election just to deteriorate the country even more.

[Fury]

Doesn't bode well for the Dems if the GOP was able to eradicate a very sizable double digit lead in just about two weeks thanks to Obamacare.

It's going to be funny watching Obamacare lead to the suicide of the Dems 2014 hopes.