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« Reply #250 on: November 27, 2013, 06:25:37 AM »
lol

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« Reply #251 on: November 27, 2013, 09:13:31 AM »
Actually I suspect the issue is that these "shit" jobs,as you put it,are becoming much more prevalent today as we move away from being an industrialized nation and into a service orientated one. Many manufacturing jobs have moved oversees to third world countries where the companies can hire workers for a fraction of what they would pay them in the U.S. One can certainly make a case for businesses doing what provides them the highest returns, whether it is moving operations to other countries or hiring people at low wages to do minimally skilled service jobs. On the other hand, one has to wonder as the middle class shrinks, the number of working poor grows and the top 1% keeps getting richer, where this will end up for the U.S.  Well, our nation transitioned from people living mainly off the land and farming to being industrialized with only some minor hiccups like the Great Depression and the dust bowl. Perhaps we will weather the shift to a nation of service workers with part time jobs and no benefits too. I am just having a lot of difficulty figuring out how this could all work out well. Maybe some of you wise folks could help me out here.
ao its becoming more competitive. Adapt or die..... not everyone is going to be guaranteed a middle class job or life.... thats just the way it is. Competition is going to get much rougher... thats the reality.

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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #252 on: November 27, 2013, 09:16:24 AM »
Same here. I was there just yesterday for a couple of items. $250 later I was loading the car with enough stuff to feed us for the next year.

Yep.

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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #253 on: November 27, 2013, 09:17:47 AM »
This!   

Especially since if you see something that you kind of like then the tendency is to buy more than you need because you don't know if you'll see that product again.  (I am the proud owner of 6 XXL Jamaica button-up shirts, lol.)


lol.  I was just looking at a huge jar of artichokes (one of two) wondering:  why the heck did I buy that again?? 

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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #254 on: November 27, 2013, 02:28:33 PM »
Ninja, please.

I wonder how much belief and faith that hypocritical fat fuck had in the Dominican prostitutes he was banging over there (with the help of the viagra that he didn't have a prescription for)? 

Funny, though, normally I'd assume Rush is knowledgeable when it comes to bigotry.  Why did he have to resign from his Monday Night Football commentating gig again?

Anyway, forgetting that Rush was the author of that quote:
That all systems favor some and are slanted against others seems inarguable to me.  Liberals recognize this, it's true. 

As I understand it, though, the amount of help that many liberals are in favor of giving the least among us in an effort to level the playing field is redonkulous when compared to the "help" being unnecessarily given to the biggest financial and military/industrial companies. 

Getting so many to focus on scrutinizing the little help being given the poor while the rich make out like bandits is some sleight of hand bullshit that I'm not falling for.  No thanks.
again I said try not to let who said it alter you view of it.

You didnt address the topic of his quote either.

He is basically saying that liberals view those "poor" people who are basically useless, arent smart enough to make good decisions like go to college, stop having kids, live within their means etc.

soft bigotry of LOW EXPECTATIONS!!!!

those people arent any different than me or you, you did well in your life and I am doing well in mine...why should we expect less from them?

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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #255 on: November 27, 2013, 02:33:32 PM »
True - but the manufacturing, service AND R&D jobs are moving away from the US. It's not just low cost manufacturing that's moving.

I have a team that is more than capable of taking on a full project start to end, on their own, without much input from me and that includes the planning and discussions with the customers to ensure they get what they want.

It's far from just the low end grunt work leaving the US.

I think you misread what I posted. I don't think I said the manufacturing jobs that were going oversees were the "shit" jobs. It is many of the jobs people are left with here.  Like you suggest, many companies are locating in other countries and also employing highly qualified folks, some of who actually move with the company from the U.S. to wherever.

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« Reply #256 on: November 27, 2013, 02:34:30 PM »
lol.  I was just looking at a huge jar of artichokes (one of two) wondering:  why the heck did I buy that again?? 

My wife buys those. There are always a couple of them sitting in our pantry.

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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #257 on: November 27, 2013, 03:32:57 PM »
My wife buys those. There are always a couple of them sitting in our pantry.

That's what Costco will do to you. 

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« Reply #258 on: November 27, 2013, 06:14:47 PM »
I think you misread what I posted. I don't think I said the manufacturing jobs that were going oversees were the "shit" jobs. It is many of the jobs people are left with here.  Like you suggest, many companies are locating in other countries and also employing highly qualified folks, some of who actually move with the company from the U.S. to wherever.

Agreed.

I actually have an issue with the concept of "shit jobs". Seems that many here view other people and certain jobs as "shit" and not worthy of a living wage.

I disagree. Whilst I don't think we can turn everyone into a high-earner, I do think every job out there should pay a rate above the poverty level. Full time employment should pay a rate that does not leave employees needing another source of income/handouts. Part time employment obviously should pay an equivalent rate on an hourly basis.

There are a lot of presumptions about why a person would be working a job like this. That they are worthless, uneducated, lazy etc.

At the end of the day, someone needs to do menial jobs and I don't understand why the people doing them should need to lean on the state for handouts.

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« Reply #259 on: November 27, 2013, 08:01:39 PM »
Agreed.

I actually have an issue with the concept of "shit jobs". Seems that many here view other people and certain jobs as "shit" and not worthy of a living wage.

I disagree. Whilst I don't think we can turn everyone into a high-earner, I do think every job out there should pay a rate above the poverty level. Full time employment should pay a rate that does not leave employees needing another source of income/handouts. Part time employment obviously should pay an equivalent rate on an hourly basis.

There are a lot of presumptions about why a person would be working a job like this. That they are worthless, uneducated, lazy etc.

At the end of the day, someone needs to do menial jobs and I don't understand why the people doing them should need to lean on the state for handouts.
its literally impossible for everyone to earn a middle class wage just because they're working. And I totally disagree anyway... I dont believe everyone deserves a living wage simply because they exist and theyre working. I don't necessarily think theyre lazy or shitbags, but for some to have more, others have to have less. And hard workers should not have to sacrifice so that people who are not up to par can make the same amount.

its a naive ideal IMHO. Life is unfair, amd those that excel will rise, those that dont or wont, should not. I realize it doesnt always work out that way, but thats the reality of it. Some will have more, others less, some next to nothing. A lot of it is simply their drive and desire, and why should those who dont put out the effort to become educated, or find a job they can excel at, or learn a trade, be rewarded for their apathy?

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« Reply #260 on: November 27, 2013, 08:13:51 PM »
In many cases what constitutes a living wage is relative to ones lifestyle.  If a person has many children they can't afford , spends frivolously on luxuries and has accrued large debts, the amount of money they require to live will be greater. 

The lesson to be learned, never assume more than you can handle.  Don't acquire a lifestyle that does not match your skill set.  It's impossible to live the fabulous life when what you have to offer is worth considerably less or nothing at all.  Many of life's tragedies could be avoided with better planning.

However, I personally believe executives are pay far more than they are worth.  If I owned a large business like walmart I would provide employees with a decent wage.
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« Reply #261 on: November 27, 2013, 08:26:42 PM »
In many cases what constitutes a living wage is relative to ones lifestyle.  If a person has many children they can't afford , spends frivolously on luxuries and has accrued large debts, the amount of money they require to live will be greater. 

The lesson to be learned, never assume more than you can handle.  Don't acquire a lifestyle that does not match your skill set.  It's impossible to live the fabulous life when what you have to offer is worth considerably less or nothing at all.  Many of life's tragedies could be avoided with better planning.


However, I personally believe executives are pay far more than they are worth.  If I owned a large business like walmart I would provide employees with a decent wage.
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« Reply #262 on: November 27, 2013, 09:26:55 PM »
its literally impossible for everyone to earn a middle class wage just because they're working. And I totally disagree anyway... I dont believe everyone deserves a living wage simply because they exist and theyre working. I don't necessarily think theyre lazy or shitbags, but for some to have more, others have to have less. And hard workers should not have to sacrifice so that people who are not up to par can make the same amount.

its a naive ideal IMHO. Life is unfair, amd those that excel will rise, those that dont or wont, should not. I realize it doesnt always work out that way, but thats the reality of it. Some will have more, others less, some next to nothing. A lot of it is simply their drive and desire, and why should those who dont put out the effort to become educated, or find a job they can excel at, or learn a trade, be rewarded for their apathy?

Absolutely agree - some will have more, some will have less. When some have less than established poverty levels for full time employment, I have an issue with that.

There are 2 ways to look at this.

1 - the employee can't find a job at a better rate and so should be happy to take one that pays below established poverty levels
2 - the employer cannot afford to pay for staff at a rate above the poverty level, so should not be employing anyone

I don't see what the big deal is with number 2. WalMart should pay above poverty/assistance levels or not be an employer. The market should set rates but you also should have minimums.

I thought these minimums were set in the US anyway....

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« Reply #263 on: November 27, 2013, 09:36:56 PM »
In many cases what constitutes a living wage is relative to ones lifestyle.  If a person has many children they can't afford , spends frivolously on luxuries and has accrued large debts, the amount of money they require to live will be greater. 

The lesson to be learned, never assume more than you can handle.  Don't acquire a lifestyle that does not match your skill set.  It's impossible to live the fabulous life when what you have to offer is worth considerably less or nothing at all.  Many of life's tragedies could be avoided with better planning.

However, I personally believe executives are pay far more than they are worth.  If I owned a large business like walmart I would provide employees with a decent wage.

You are exampling extremes while ignoring the nuisances of poverty. A living wage is relative to how much someone earns, not their lifestyle. Do you personally know a lot of folks who make minimum wage and spend it frivolously on luxuries? It is rare that people with a minimal income accrue large debts, since most can't get much credit. They do sometimes succumb to acquiring what many consider necessities, like cheap transportation (junk cars) with much higher interest rates then those of us with excellent credit pay.

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« Reply #264 on: November 27, 2013, 09:51:39 PM »
You are exampling extremes while ignoring the nuisances of poverty. A living wage is relative to how much someone earns, not their lifestyle. Do you personally know a lot of folks who make minimum wage and spend it frivolously on luxuries? It is rare that people with a minimal income accrue large debts, since most can't get much credit. They do sometimes succumb to acquiring what many consider necessities, like cheap transportation (junk cars) with much higher interest rates then those of us with excellent credit pay.

I understand poverty on a personal level. I grew up poor, so poor I didn't have a tv in my home until I was ten, around the same time our family owned our first used washing machine. I've lived on my own since I was sixteen.  I worked a part time job while also finishing high school. I shared an apartment with other people to bring costs down and I survived.

It has as everything to do with lifestyle.  It's simple math, the less expenditures you have, the more money you keep.  If you're a single person who makes minimum wage your going to have to make certain lifestyle concessions.  You're not going to be able to live alone or make unnecessary purchases, have a new car or the latest fashions.   You won't be able to buy a house or raise a family.

I've gone over the poor owning luxuries a million times.  I've posted the census data countless times.  A large percentage of people who are at poverty level own many different luxury items. 
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« Reply #265 on: November 27, 2013, 09:56:49 PM »
Absolutely agree - some will have more, some will have less. When some have less than established poverty levels for full time employment, I have an issue with that.

There are 2 ways to look at this.

1 - the employee can't find a job at a better rate and so should be happy to take one that pays below established poverty levels
2 - the employer cannot afford to pay for staff at a rate above the poverty level, so should not be employing anyone

I don't see what the big deal is with number 2. WalMart should pay above poverty/assistance levels or not be an employer. The market should set rates but you also should have minimums.

I thought these minimums were set in the US anyway....

they are. Minimum wage... however its not designed to be a living wage. Wal mart shelf stockers are not supposed to apply at wal mart thinking theyre going to be making 35000 a year, or that its a career, because its not. They have high turnover, next to no opportunity for advancement, negligable benefits.... its designed for people who have no skills to earn enough cash to get by while they either build their skills or find better work... for the most part they dont even work full time.

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*FYI my friend that worked as an overnight janitor there said they actually pay above minimum wage and get decent raises if you meet their timed objectives.... he actually lived lower middle class for America working there with his GF who worked days... together they made roughly 40k a year. Its not like theyre living ij poverty.... he had a 50" LCD, ate out all the time.... its all about how y9u choose to live.

people here expect to be handed a 2 story house and an escalade and 60k a year to fucking stock shelves and its ridiculous.

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« Reply #266 on: November 27, 2013, 10:24:53 PM »
I understand poverty on a personal level. I grew up poor, so poor I didn't have a tv in my home until I was ten, around the same time our family owned our first used washing machine. I've lived on my own since I was sixteen.  I worked a part time job while also finishing high school. I shared an apartment with other people to bring costs down and I survived.

It has as everything to do with lifestyle.  It's simple math, the less expenditures you have, the more money you keep.  If you're a single person who makes minimum wage your going to have to make certain lifestyle concessions.  You're not going to be able to live alone or make unnecessary purchases, have a new car or the latest fashions.   You won't be able to buy a house or raise a family.

I've gone over the poor owning luxuries a million times.  I've posted the census data countless times.  A large percentage of people who are at poverty level own many different luxury items. 

While I don't have as much experience with being poor as you do, I did have a year of poverty when I was 18 years old. It was kind of fun sometimes because my friends and roommate were just as poor as I was. We could go out for an evening of drinking at the bars on .25, the cost of one draft beer (and yes I got served underage). I have also a fair amount of experience with living beyond one's means.

My parents were accomplished at doing this. The lived big and with enormous debt which resulted is at least two bankruptcies that I know of. When my stepdad had a heart attack and couldn't work for awhile, my mom applied for and got food stamps. She drove a two year old Lincoln Continental and they lived in a big house with a pool in an expensive neighborhood in Southern California all while have nothing in the bank....no savings. Fortunately, I no longer lived at home when this happened.

I am pretty sure my parents weren't the norm and to be honest, their situation (at least my dad not being able to work) was temporary. But they were chronically in debt and no one but their creditors were the wiser because from all outward appearances they were well off.

I chose to be conservative with my money, even when my income wasn't great. In the long run, it has paid off. Not everyone learns these little life lessons. My wife and I had a small B&W television until about 1975 or so because that was all we could afford. Our first color television magically appeared in the shed behind our house. It brand new and probably stolen and dumped there. A fiend of mine who was a Portland Policeman advised that since there was no identifying info to determine where I might have been stolen from we should keep it. When I brought it into the house and plugged it in it snapped and crackled because of the moisture inside. Amazingly it worked. We kept it until it finally broke down many years later.

I'd be interested to see the resources you say you posted regarding the percentages of poor people living the life of Riley. This seems very curious to me.

 

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« Reply #267 on: November 28, 2013, 07:59:26 AM »
Agreed.

I actually have an issue with the concept of "shit jobs". Seems that many here view other people and certain jobs as "shit" and not worthy of a living wage.

I disagree. Whilst I don't think we can turn everyone into a high-earner, I do think every job out there should pay a rate above the poverty level. Full time employment should pay a rate that does not leave employees needing another source of income/handouts. Part time employment obviously should pay an equivalent rate on an hourly basis.

There are a lot of presumptions about why a person would be working a job like this. That they are worthless, uneducated, lazy etc.

At the end of the day, someone needs to do menial jobs and I don't understand why the people doing them should need to lean on the state for handouts.
repeal those pesky child labor laws and really lower the wages. those 'no brainer' jobs like unpacking and stocking; give 'em to a sixth grader.
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« Reply #268 on: November 28, 2013, 08:42:52 AM »
You are exampling extremes while ignoring the nuisances of poverty. A living wage is relative to how much someone earns, not their lifestyle. Do you personally know a lot of folks who make minimum wage and spend it frivolously on luxuries? It is rare that people with a minimal income accrue large debts, since most can't get much credit. They do sometimes succumb to acquiring what many consider necessities, like cheap transportation (junk cars) with much higher interest rates then those of us with excellent credit pay.
are you fucking kidding me?

most people on welfare are single mothers, who have never been married with mulitple kids, under 30 and with at most a high school diploma.

Thats A LIFESTYLE DECISION!!!!!

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« Reply #269 on: November 28, 2013, 08:59:08 AM »
http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/poor-households-amenities.jpg

I dont know if this is what archer was referring to but I can name a few things on this list that are luxuries for someone who considers themself poor.

TV, DVD Player, Xbox/Playstation, cell phones, internet, stereos, cable/satellite, computers

you could argue that many more things on that list are luxuries as well like washer/driers, A/C etc.

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« Reply #270 on: November 28, 2013, 09:09:40 AM »
http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/poor-households-amenities.jpg

I dont know if this is what archer was referring to but I can name a few things on this list that are luxuries for someone who considers themself poor.

TV, DVD Player, Xbox/Playstation, cell phones, internet, stereos, cable/satellite, computers

you could argue that many more things on that list are luxuries as well like washer/driers, A/C etc.


Yes, this is one of the items I mentioned.  Before anyone dismisses the data because of the Heritage Foundation label, it must be understood that the Heritage Foundation didn't create this data.  The data comes directly from the 2010 census which is where I originally found it.
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« Reply #271 on: November 28, 2013, 09:53:14 AM »
are you fucking kidding me?

most people on welfare are single mothers, who have never been married with mulitple kids, under 30 and with at most a high school diploma.

Thats A LIFESTYLE DECISION!!!!!

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unfortunately, politicians pandering for votes will never make real leadership decisions on these matters

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« Reply #272 on: November 28, 2013, 10:07:49 AM »
http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/poor-households-amenities.jpg

I dont know if this is what archer was referring to but I can name a few things on this list that are luxuries for someone who considers themself poor.

TV, DVD Player, Xbox/Playstation, cell phones, internet, stereos, cable/satellite, computers

you could argue that many more things on that list are luxuries as well like washer/driers, A/C etc.


As an aside, its amazing how what constitutes poverty has changed in the West.
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« Reply #273 on: November 28, 2013, 10:19:47 AM »
As an aside, its amazing how what constitutes poverty has changed in the West.

True. I've long pointed out that the percent of those on govt assistance who have cable, cell phones, etc... Is very high.

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« Reply #274 on: November 28, 2013, 10:28:43 AM »
True. I've long pointed out that the percent of those on govt assistance who have cable, cell phones, etc... Is very high.
not just cable but internet as well

shit my cable and internet runs me close to 150 a month and I dont have any premium channels