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« on: November 25, 2013, 10:35:06 AM »

http://www.businessinsider.com/white-house-account-of-nuclear-deal-2013-11


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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2013, 10:36:39 AM »

Western powers agreed to a deal with Iran this weekend to curb its uranium enrichment activities. We explained why we should be reasonably optimistic that the crisis is actually getting defused.

But in its account of the deal, the White House appears to have glossed over two key details of the deal regarding concessions to Iran.

In its fact sheet on the agreement, the White House says that Iran must now "dilute below 5% or convert to a form not suitable for further enrichment its entire stockpile of near-20% enriched uranium before the end of the initial phase."

That's technically true, but it glosses over a key point.

The accord states that half of the 20%-enriched uranium will be converted into a powder fuel destined for the Tehran Research Reactor — you know, for research. However not everyone is convinced the fuel will be used for that purpose, and Israel has said it would be relatively simple to reconvert the powder back into the enriched uranium used to make a nuke. "They have no problem converting back what they allegedly turned to nuclear fuel," Israel's former military intelligence chief said earlier this year. "Within a week, it could be turned into nuclear material for a bomb."

Actually, there is disagreement concerning how long the reconversion process would actually take. Carnegie Endowment fellow Mark Hibbs says three weeks. As we reported, Harvard's Olli Heinon says two months, and that in any event reconversion is expressly prohibited by the agreement (which may explain why the White House omitted that fact). The Wall Street Journal says that the full process of reconverting the fuel and then constructing a nuke would take six months. Plus, the new inspection regimes are now daily, which increases the odds that any attempt at a "breakout" from the agreement to build a nuke detected in real time, though Hibbs says the reconversion process can be carried out on the sly.

Still, if you are convinced that any deal with Iran will prove faulty, this appears to be one escape valve that has been left open to them.

Secondly, the deal appears to have given Iran the opportunity to boost exports by up to 285 thousand barrels a day, even though the White House says current export restrictions will remain in place. This contradiction was first reported by Reuters' Daniel Fineren. More oil in world markets is good for the rest of us, and this fact may already be weighing on Brent crude prices, which fell as much as 2.5% overnight (though have since come up a bit) and remains below $110/barrel. But it will also help boost Iranian revenues.

Here's what actually happened: although restrictions on Western imports remain in place, the West also agreed to ease restrictions on selling insurance for products imported from Iran, something that applies to Asian countries who'd still been able to purchase Persian crude. The deal also says those countries must maintain the "current" amount of oil they now purchase from Iran. The deal benchmarks "current" amounts tothe 1 million barrels per day average over the past 12 months.

However, the most recent IEA estimate puts exports at about 715 kbbl/d.Put these two facts — the insurance and the averaging of the benchmark — together, and you provide Iran with thethe opportunity to put up to 285 thousand more barrels on the market.

In a follow-up email to BI, ClearView Energy Partners' Kevin Book offered an explanation of why this may have occurred:

"...we don’t find it particularly surprising that last night’s White House fact sheet made no mention of the relaxed E.U. sanctions. First off, E.U. shipping and insurance sanctions preceded the U.S. equivalent measures by a year, so the E.U. may have been deemed to have primary responsibility. Second, the Obama Administration may also have been seeking to deflect Congressional criticism of the Geneva deal by minimizing perceived benefits to Iran."


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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2013, 12:23:06 PM »

http://freebeacon.com/reports-u-s-unfreezes-8-billion-in-iranian-assets



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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2013, 12:24:29 PM »

http://freebeacon.com/hezbollah-says-nuclear-deal-a-victory-for-iran


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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2013, 12:30:43 PM »

http://freebeacon.com/hezbollah-says-nuclear-deal-a-victory-for-iran


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Yes - Obama is a terrorist and jihadi traitor

You can't say that based on the article you linked. The Iranians can claim whatever bullshit they want, doesn't mean shit to Obama and America.

Just trying to maintain a healthy balance here. I'm not particularly keen on Obama myself.
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2013, 12:35:12 PM »

You can't say that based on the article you linked. The Iranians can claim whatever bullshit they want, doesn't mean shit to Obama and America.

Just trying to maintain a healthy balance here. I'm not particularly keen on Obama myself.


All we did is take the pressure off of Iran.   Even Saudi Arabia is freaked out over this mess all so Obama can divert attention away from Obamacare
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2013, 12:36:55 PM »


All we did is take the pressure off of Iran.   Even Saudi Arabia is freaked out over this mess all so Obama can divert attention away from Obamacare

I can agree that it takes the focus off Obamacare, but the Iranians never was going to do shit anyway. Their propaganda and BS is worse than Obama's.
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2013, 12:43:20 PM »

I can agree that it takes the focus off Obamacare, but the Iranians never was going to do shit anyway. Their propaganda and BS is worse than Obama's.

correct - but we just freed up 8 billion in assets we had frozen - guess what they are going to do w the $ ?
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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2013, 01:31:46 PM »

Obama is attempting his own Nixon/China thing.  Don't expect the Iranians to honor any treaty or agreement.
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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2013, 03:20:11 PM »

http://news.yahoo.com/iran-nuke-deal-could-push-oil-prices-lower-082321585--finance.html

he's just trying to get their oil.  see I can do that too.  it makes sense right?
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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2013, 02:53:03 PM »

http://freebeacon.com/iran-white-house-lying-about-details-of-nuke-deal


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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2013, 03:15:39 PM »


what a surprise that you agree with Iran

no one on this board hates the USA more than you
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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2013, 03:17:52 PM »

what a surprise that you agree with Iran

no one on this board hates the USA more than you


Everyone knows Obama is lying but his cult of personality and sycophants like yourself. 
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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2013, 07:02:58 PM »

Seriously, he hasn't been truthful about ANYTHING from day one. Still want to place some bets on his citizenship?
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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2013, 08:29:25 PM »


Everyone knows Obama is lying but his cult of personality and sycophants like yourself. 

it's already been pointed out by others that you are lying in this thread

something you do all the time

it's weird for a so called lawyer to not understand what the definition of a lie is

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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2013, 09:39:56 AM »

What a circus.

Iran is claiming that the White House is lying about the agreement terms.

Whether you believe Iran or the White House is really besides the point.

The real issue here is that there is no meeting of the minds here. Democrats were touting this as some kind of huge breakthrough. It isn't since the other side holds a different view of the supposed deal.

A deal doesn't exist until they come to an agreement.

White House must be embarrassed.
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« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2013, 09:52:44 AM »

What a circus.

Iran is claiming that the White House is lying about the agreement terms.

Whether you believe Iran or the White House is really besides the point.

The real issue here is that their is no meeting of the minds here. Democrats were touting this as some kind of huge breakthrough. It isn't since the other side holds a different view of the supposed deal.

A deal doesn't exist until they come to an agreement.

White House must be embarrassed.

I think the White house is relieved. 

These sanctions were hurting everyone concerned.

Some of France's biggest companies were hurting big time. Iran is one of the largest consumers of Peugot.

That agreement to no longer sell oil for gold has got to make the Fed, and the Whitehouse cheer, ...especially with Saudi Arabia pissed off at them, and forming closer ties to China. The very last thing the USA needs is for Saudi Arabia or any other oil producer to start selling their oil in gold.

I think it will eventually occur, but until we move to a Petro D'or, I hope the Petro Dollar stays in place for a while.

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