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Aas and kids
« on: November 26, 2013, 05:26:15 PM »
How many of you guys on here have used pretty heavy cycles and were able to have kids? Did any of you guys on here have trouble with it?

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Re: Aas and kids
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2013, 07:12:07 PM »
How many of you guys on here have used pretty heavy cycles and were able to have kids? Did any of you guys on here have trouble with it?
ES said he blasted hcg a couple of times while being on quite a bit of gear and popped out a couple kids.
My friend who's on 900mg (I think, maybe more) tren/wk + 1.5g test + X (not sure of amount) mg of mast + a bunch of orals got his gf pregnant recently, and they weren't even trying, just happened.
I'm not ready for kids so I wrap it up even on heavy doses, but when I'm ready I'm going the ESfitness way!

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Re: Aas and kids
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2013, 08:23:33 PM »
Well, I'm holding my two week old right now but I had to come off for more than a year. Sperm count was nil. HCG and gonal f got me going naturally again.

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Re: Aas and kids
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2013, 11:44:29 PM »
was on heavy cycles for months (was on for over a year with the second) at a min of 3g test/wk plus other stuff.. the first was probably about 5g/wk, and the second was on about 7g/wk.

did two 5000iu shots of HCG one week apart and got the ex preggers both times... both boys.

I still want a girl, so my next go will be 5000iu each week for 3 weeks, plus 50mg clomid/day for 3 weeks.

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Re: Aas and kids
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2013, 05:27:31 AM »
Few buddies ran 1-1.5 grams of test and were big users of deca for periods spanning a few years, bodybuilders for at least 10 years, all have kids.




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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2013, 07:23:39 AM »
I've known a few guys who were on a few gram cycles forever (cruises are a gram of test) and they've got minions of children. But if you ask a lot more people who juice hard, some of them do have some fertility challenges that they might not mention. You just see kids pop up, but you don't know if a couple have been banging for years without conception.

I don't want to be a fear monger because I know I have shit genetics. Any side effect you can get from AAS I usually get it. I get shut down super hard, but having watched myself get blood work each week and try a bunch of different things I could observe my body getting started back up. My endo said I took a little while longer to recover too and that he's dealt with lots of juicers. He said it's a mixed bag of apples. You will have absolutely no way of knowing how your sperm production will be affected. It doesn't matter if you have swole nuts and wanna fuck hardcore during PCT and you think you've recovered. You could still be shooting blanks.

My endo actually knew about a few cookie cutter cycles like 8 weeks of test enth and nolvadex. He's had people running test, deca and dbol so I was able to talk to him candidly. The biggest takeaway advice was that if you want kids, plan to come off for a bit. Get in shape, get your life in order and do the best you can to come off gracefully and start taking some clomid or HCG. Those are usually easy enough to get. But I warn you, Chinese HCG is shit. I've tried a million different kinds that did nothing. HCG straight from a pharmacy will work a million times better. When I megadosed it, it almost felt like GH (anticatabolic, which I needed as I shrank big time).

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Re: Aas and kids
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2013, 07:47:56 AM »
I've known a few guys who were on a few gram cycles forever (cruises are a gram of test) and they've got minions of children. But if you ask a lot more people who juice hard, some of them do have some fertility challenges that they might not mention. You just see kids pop up, but you don't know if a couple have been banging for years without conception.

I don't want to be a fear monger because I know I have shit genetics. Any side effect you can get from AAS I usually get it. I get shut down super hard, but having watched myself get blood work each week and try a bunch of different things I could observe my body getting started back up. My endo said I took a little while longer to recover too and that he's dealt with lots of juicers. He said it's a mixed bag of apples. You will have absolutely no way of knowing how your sperm production will be affected. It doesn't matter if you have swole nuts and wanna fuck hardcore during PCT and you think you've recovered. You could still be shooting blanks.

My endo actually knew about a few cookie cutter cycles like 8 weeks of test enth and nolvadex. He's had people running test, deca and dbol so I was able to talk to him candidly. The biggest takeaway advice was that if you want kids, plan to come off for a bit. Get in shape, get your life in order and do the best you can to come off gracefully and start taking some clomid or HCG. Those are usually easy enough to get. But I warn you, Chinese HCG is shit. I've tried a million different kinds that did nothing. HCG straight from a pharmacy will work a million times better. When I megadosed it, it almost felt like GH (anticatabolic, which I needed as I shrank big time).

I've used Chinese HCG once and it worked great! Balls got nice and full felt like I could bang for days. Not sure how sperm count changed, but my loads were definitely bigger. I used it for PCT along with Nolva, recovered pretty quickly without any crash.

But as with anything, its hit and miss with UGL/Chinese shit. Some Chinese GH works well, some is complete shit. Some Chinese HCG is good, some is laced with garbage. The one good thing about HCG is its very cheap to make, so odds of it being fake are lowered.

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Re: Aas and kids
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2013, 08:30:49 AM »
I've used Chinese HCG once and it worked great! Balls got nice and full felt like I could bang for days. Not sure how sperm count changed, but my loads were definitely bigger. I used it for PCT along with Nolva, recovered pretty quickly without any crash.

But as with anything, its hit and miss with UGL/Chinese shit. Some Chinese GH works well, some is complete shit. Some Chinese HCG is good, some is laced with garbage. The one good thing about HCG is its very cheap to make, so odds of it being fake are lowered.

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Re: Aas and kids
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2013, 04:36:46 PM »
Anyone notice how a lot of bodybuilders end up having girls when they get a woman pregnant? 

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Re: Aas and kids
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2013, 05:05:30 PM »
Anyone notice how a lot of bodybuilders end up having girls when they get a woman pregnant? 


I've noticed this for sure, the majority of my AAS using friends have girls.

There was a big poll on another board years ago and it was 70% girls for AAS users.

No clue to correlation.


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Re: Aas and kids
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2013, 05:23:51 PM »
Well, I'm holding my two week old right now but I had to come off for more than a year. Sperm count was nil. HCG and gonal f got me going naturally again.

What type of protocol did you run?

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Re: Aas and kids
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2013, 06:07:39 PM »
Anyone notice how a lot of bodybuilders end up having girls when they get a woman pregnant? 

As opposed to when they get a man pregnant?

Haha I kid. But I doubt its a trend. I think its just chance, I mean look at Arnold, 3 boys from 2 women. Dorian has a son. I think Haney has a son and a daughter. And didn't Evan have a son? Wheeler has a son. Sergio (RIP) has a son. Mike Katz has a son who owns those ridiculous planet fitness gyms and has DD breasts. There are more examples, but those are the ones I can think of off hand. The problem also lies in the fact that most serious bodybuilders don't have any kids, so the ones that do are a very small number, in which case no real conclusion can be made. Unless we're talking gym rats who have kids, in which case I have no idea what the trend is there.

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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2013, 06:12:38 PM »
As opposed to when they get a man pregnant?

Haha I kid. But I doubt its a trend. I think its just chance, I mean look at Arnold, 3 boys from 2 women. Dorian has a son. I think Haney has a son and a daughter. And didn't Evan have a son? Wheeler has a son. Sergio (RIP) has a son. Mike Katz has a son who owns those ridiculous planet fitness gyms and has DD breasts. There are more examples, but those are the ones I can think of off hand. The problem also lies in the fact that most serious bodybuilders don't have any kids, so the ones that do are a very small number, in which case no real conclusion can be made. Unless we're talking gym rats who have kids, in which case I have no idea what the trend is there.

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Re: Aas and kids
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2013, 06:19:30 PM »


Check out dem jugs.

Very succulent.
 
I thought for a second kats had a tranny for a son  ;D
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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2013, 06:23:53 PM »
Very succulent.
 
I thought for a second kats had a tranny for a son  ;D
Might as well be... I'm not sure if its gyno or an overdeveloped chest and underdeveloped everything else .... anti-Centopani?

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« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2013, 06:29:53 PM »
Might as well be... I'm not sure if its gyno or an overdeveloped chest and underdeveloped everything else .... anti-Centopani?

Need to see more pics with less clothing to determine (no homo)
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Re: Aas and kids
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2013, 06:35:50 PM »
Need to see more pics with less clothing to determine (no homo)
No shirtless pics, but this one displays signs of gyno, notice the sag.


Also, like father like son  :-X

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« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2013, 06:49:40 PM »
No shirtless pics, but this one displays signs of gyno, notice the sag.


Also, like father like son  :-X

My god they look like brothers....the age difference is negligible in the pic. And yeah, that's a lot of sag on the moobs there bro.
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Re: Aas and kids
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2013, 08:07:09 PM »
well, maybe the time ON aas has something to do with steroid users having girls... hopefully my next is a girl, then I'm done.. proabably.. unless she wants a boy (which she probably does. lol).

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« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2013, 12:58:40 PM »
I've read some scientific explanation for the girls/steroids link that spoke about ovulation and oogenesis and mitosis and Fallopian tubes and ectopic progenancies and a whole bunch of stuff that explained it all. Made sense. Could be total BS though

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« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2013, 02:58:20 PM »
What type of protocol did you run?

The clinics here usually advocate an Assisted Reproductive Therapy cycle which was 1000iu of HCG Monday, Wednesday and Friday along with 100iu of gonal f. Gonadotropins work really well, but if it's cheap Chinese shit then your mileage may vary. I've had mixed results with Chinese HCG. Blood work is free here and I've done plenty during my first cycles. I did blood work almost every week when I was doing this ART cycle, but my endo gave me an unlimited script and because I have a good insurance company I'd just fill it every week (8 kits of HCG 10,000iu per kit and 4 boxes of gonal f pens, 450iu per pen). I felt a lot better because I cut out anabolics for a long time and really couldn't train much.

I took lots at first but I didn't want to desensitize my leydig cells so they'd become unresponsive to LH and FSH. Those rose quickly. Test, estrogens and other hormone levels fell into place pretty quickly as well. Total test slowly climbed as expected and I just ran the HCG and gonal f intermittently as the results were steady. I had a brief lapse where my insurance company stopped covering hormone replacement therapies so I didn't keep super good track of things due to the interruption. And when the wife got pregnant I didn't care to look back at my records and piece things together because I think the gonal f was what really helped. Sperm levels shot up really quickly with that one. HCG got my total test up but didn't affect sperm levels as much. It could have simply been the amount of time that elapsed too. But HCG made my semen production reach porn star levels... so there's that too.

Sorry. A little sleepy. Unexpected visitor showed up a couple days ago and fucked with the baby's sleep. Baby's doing great and I'm happily juiced up again. I should mention too, I thought I was going to get ultra small but I didn't look too horrible. Most people just thought I was cutting. If they saw me with a shirt off they'd know I came off the sauce. But if anyone's afraid of coming off, don't be. You'll get smaller and puffy. Who cares? Life goes on. If you look like COMPLETE SHIT coming off then you probably shouldn't be juicing to begin with. If I had to go off the sauce right this second, I wouldn't care very much at all. Life definitely goes on. Don't stay on juice and wait for a miracle because you don't know if you have shit genetics like mine.

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Re: Aas and kids
« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2013, 10:46:40 AM »


Check out dem jugs.
that is a fine lady...

Omg omg...foly huck
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Re: Aas and kids
« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2013, 10:50:29 AM »
I've noticed this for sure, the majority of my AAS using friends have girls.

There was a big poll on another board years ago and it was 70% girls for AAS users.

No clue to correlation.


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lol now that you say it me and .my friends who juiced all got girls

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« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2013, 11:20:14 AM »
lol now that you say it me and .my friends who juiced all got girls

Yep. All my NPC buds who compete all have girls. These are guys who push 5g a week