25% Of Marines Would Shoot Americans

[phreak]

I hope so. But history has proven many times an army could shot its own people if ordered to.

An army is useless if it does not do this. The threat of force is how governments, all governments, subjugate the populace. That threat can never be seen as hollow, or else anarchy (read: true representative government) would ensue.

[crownshep]

Maybe thats why the chinese and russian troops are being brought into the USA.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/16954-communist-chinese-troops-on-u-s-soil-for-exchange-mission

[The Showstoppa]

Maybe thats why the chinese and russian troops are being brought into the USA.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/16954-communist-chinese-troops-on-u-s-soil-for-exchange-mission

Another reason for more weapons under the tree this year.

[Wiggs]

Air Force- Who is going to pay me extra for not having carpet in my "dorm room?"

 

[The Showstoppa]

You know exactly what I mean. 

[headhuntersix]

Its not gonna happen. Kent state was a screwed up situation but to actively operate against US citizens in the way Infowars and those groups talk about just won't happen. I know I'd be off to whatever states are resisting DC to offer my service. 

[galeniko]

some ppl would shoot 100% of anything as long their skin colour is the "wrong" one, especially with a governmental order

in society, force or threath thereof is a monopoly to the government.

if you knew full well a cop would never under any circumstances do harm to you, you would not "respect" his authority.

but in the real world, you will spread the cheecks by yourself in a frisk search.

the usa has violent historic background, some founding fathers had shooutouts with their own sons over political issues.

what you thinjk the army is there for?to take care of citiznes gardens?haha

[tommywishbone]

100% of Marines would shoot Deca, and they should.  

[Shockwave]

Another reason for more weapons under the tree this year.

Agreed.

as far as the russian and chinese troops, when I was at SOI west, it was common to see forces from other countries cross training with our units, sharing tactics, ideas, and experiences. Although I do find it odd that wed be cross training with China, it wouldn't surprise me as the threat of war with China is low.

sometimes I also think they allow such things so that the chinese could get a glimpse of what they would ACTUALLY be getting into if they made the mistake of trying to fuck with us.

[headhuntersix]

some ppl would shoot 100% of anything as long their skin colour is the "wrong" one, especially with a governmental order

in society, force or threath thereof is a monopoly to the government.

if you knew full well a cop would never under any circumstances do harm to you, you would not "respect" his authority.

but in the real world, you will spread the cheecks by yourself in a frisk search.

the usa has violent historic background, some founding fathers had shooutouts with their own sons over political issues.

what you thinjk the army is there for?to take care of citiznes gardens?haha


Sorry chief..not here. I've been in along time, besides some law enforcement ops, they're just not going to do it. Cops...yeah

[The Showstoppa]

Agreed.

as far as the russian and chinese troops, when I was at SOI west, it was common to see forces from other countries cross training with our units, sharing tactics, ideas, and experiences. Although I do find it odd that wed be cross training with China, it wouldn't surprise me as the threat of war with China is low.

sometimes I also think they allow such things so that the chinese could get a glimpse of what they would ACTUALLY be getting into if they made the mistake of trying to fuck with us.

True.  We met with some Ruskies a few yrs after the collapse of the Soviet Union.  During formal meetings not much was said, but after hours whem the booze was flowing they would open up and admit how much in awe of our technology they were.  Hell they couldnt launch fighters from carriers at that point.  They could freakin drink though. 

[Shockwave]

An army is useless if it does not do this. The threat of force is how governments, all governments, subjugate the populace. That threat can never be seen as hollow, or else anarchy (read: true representative government) would ensue.

I know how other countries view the US military,  but trust me, the majority of the Marines I served with took their oath very seriously and would NEVER turn their rifles on law abiding citizens.

it was a pretty common topic in the squadbay, as most enlisted guys have a serious distrust of the US government. I cant speak for officers but most of the enlisted, especially the grunts (infantry) had already decided that they would refuse to fight if the government tried to use the Marines to subjugate their own citizens if they actually did try and make some sort of coup to usurp the constitution.

now, if the government found a way to make citizens become enemies of the constitution, and had a legitimate way to make us believe that killing citizens was necessary to preserve the freedoms and rights of the rest of our citizens, then i dont know what would happen.  (For instance,  dubbing certain citizens as terrorists bent on destroying our constitutional rights)

[Shockwave]

100% of Marines would shoot Deca, and they should.  

Actually I prefer trenbologna myself. Although ive been thinming that maybe I should add some deca in their, and keep the test HRT level, after alll, id hate to not follow my docs advice with my Watson test...

[headhuntersix]

I suspect that 25% isn't or aren't combat arms folks. To be honest you have more minorities in support functions across the entire military and more whites in the combat arms with as schockwave mentioned, a healthy mistrust of the government. Under the current gov, I think people would be even quicker to bail on Obama.

[headhuntersix]

I know how other countries view the US military,  but trust me, the majority of the Marines I served with took their oath very seriously and would NEVER turn their rifles on law abiding citizens.

it was a pretty common topic in the squadbay, as most enlisted guys have a serious distrust of the US government. I cant speak for officers but most of the enlisted, especially the grunts (infantry) had already decided that they would refuse to fight if the government tried to use the Marines to subjugate their own citizens if they actually did try and make some sort of coup to usurp the constitution.

now, if the government found a way to make citizens become enemies of the constitution, and had a legitimate way to make us believe that killing citizens was necessary to preserve the freedoms and rights of the rest of our citizens, then i dont know what would happen.  (For instance,  dubbing certain citizens as terrorists bent on destroying our constitutional rights)

I think you're right but in this day and age it would be hard to do

[galeniko]

well how would you explain the american civil war then?

yeah times are different now.

currently reading a book of dick cheneys tricks and rumsfeld policies that were brought, and well, if this counts for anything, just went through a page were one american citizen was blasted away by a hellfire missile.

want the name of the guy?

but yeah the op is trying to spread fear 25% where does this number come from.thatd still mean 75% wouldnt do it.

[headhuntersix]

You don't understand the Civil War then. Plus our military is vastly different then it was in 1861.

[galeniko]

I know how other countries view the US military,  but trust me, the majority of the Marines I served with took their oath very seriously and would NEVER turn their rifles on law abiding citizens.

it was a pretty common topic in the squadbay, as most enlisted guys have a serious distrust of the US government. I cant speak for officers but most of the enlisted, especially the grunts (infantry) had already decided that they would refuse to fight if the government tried to use the Marines to subjugate their own citizens if they actually did try and make some sort of coup to usurp the constitution.

now, if the government found a way to make citizens become enemies of the constitution, and had a legitimate way to make us believe that killing citizens was necessary to preserve the freedoms and rights of the rest of our citizens, then i dont know what would happen.  (For instance,  dubbing certain citizens as terrorists bent on destroying our constitutional rights)

yeah the army guys and generals and even the cia are alright guys, its more socalled policy makers who never served a single day in the forcs(neither did their kids)who want the fame for what some generals and troops have accomplished.

many generals have called the socalled policy makers"throughoutly insane and nuts"

those same ppl later on became ceos of halyburton.shameless.

namely cheney, cofey black(the guy who wanted to cut off bin ladens head and deliver it on silver platter tot he usa)and rumsfeld.

clinton was no saint either, but he atleast had some check and balance policies in place.

[headhuntersix]

Unfortunatly nobody can do what what KBR/Haliburton does..

[Shockwave]

well how would you explain the american civil war then?

yeah times are different now.

currently reading a book of dick cheneys tricks and rumsfeld policies that were brought, and well, if this counts for anything, just went through a page were one american citizen was blasted away by a hellfire missile.

want the name of the guy?

but yeah the op is trying to spread fear 25% where does this number come from.thatd still mean 75% wouldnt do it.

yeah, you will always have the bottom 10% (in this case 25% apparently) the guys that will shoot anyone just for the thrill of the kill, or the guys that will follow any order without thinking, or the guys to scared to stand up for what they believe in.... those guys are going to do what their told no matter what.

[headhuntersix]

Better examples are Katrina or the LA riots. The military did a great job in a tough situation. Plus we have alot of experience dealing with civilians and not just lighting folks up for no reason. If we're gonna start spraying it would be overseas and we just don't do that

[The Showstoppa]

yeah, you will always have the bottom 10% (in this case 25% apparently) the guys that will shoot anyone just for the thrill of the kill, or the guys that will follow any order without thinking, or the guys to scared to stand up for what they believe in.... those guys are going to do what their told no matter what.

Code Red!

[Wiggs]

You know exactly what I mean. 

We had a very high quality of life compared to the other branches. I felt sorry for the other branches at times.

It reminds me when I was in Africa and Bush and Condy were coming to give a speech, money and mosquito nets. It was a giant operation and Air Force, Army and Marines were there. I was in charge of all personnel showing up and leaving. (accountability) The Marines stayed in an old Aircraft hanger eating MREs. I don't remember where the Army stayed and us Air Force personnel stayed in a 4 star Hotel with 3 meals paid for and got per diem for it on top of it. Trust me, I felt really bad about that. It shouldn't be that way. I was there for a month. I shopped, hung out with Africans, and hung out. That was my last TDY in the Air Force.

[The Showstoppa]

We had a very high quality of life compared to the other branches. I felt sorry for the other branches at times.

It reminds me when I was in Africa and Bush and Condy were coming to give a speech, money and mosquito nets. It was a giant operation and Air Force, Army and Marines were there. I was in charge of all personnel showing up and leaving. (accountability) The Marines stayed in an old Aircraft hanger eating MREs. I don't remember where the Army stayed and us Air Force personnel stayed in a 4 star Hotel with 3 meals paid for and got per diem for it on top of it. Trust me, I felt really bad about that. It shouldn't be that way. I was there for a month. I shopped, hung out with Africans, and hung out. That was my last TDY in the Air Force.

When I was in A school we had all 4 branches and the Air Force example I used about carpet is a fact. I tell all young people if they want a career to go Air Force. 

We used to say:

Get a Marine if you want it done right without much complaint
Get a soldier if you want it done, but a lot of bitching
Get an airmen if you want to do it yourself.

 

[headhuntersix]

I'm on a POst now run by the AF...they keep the gyms nice.