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Heme Iron Hangover...
« on: December 01, 2013, 01:57:55 PM »
Turkey has less Heme Iron than most meats, but it still has it. I ate a crap load of dead bird on Thanksgiving, then on Neegul Friday, I ate a 14 oz Prime Rib.

Time to Vegan it up a bit for a while to clean out the blood. I haven't recovered yet from the Heme overload (sluggish)...
Falcon, did you feast on Bird for Thanksgiving??

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Re: Heme Iron Hangover...
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2013, 07:42:44 PM »
I'm considering going vegan for a bit. Dairy is inflammatory, to begin with....but veganism is also a great excuse for not eating shitty foods that other people offer you. "sorry, I'm vegan"

Minus Oreos. Oreos are vegan (almost always. Check labels though)

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Re: Heme Iron Hangover...
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2013, 07:51:41 PM »
heme iron having to do with you're being fatigued? Come on..!  You're tired from eating, digesting, and excreting all that food! Layering to. All kinds of foods you're probably not used to eating all in one sitting.  Its going to make you full like shit, because you're full of it. Now go jam a bran muffin and some black coffee down and get back to work.

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Re: Heme Iron Hangover...
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2013, 07:54:05 PM »
Agreed. I just ate some red meat and I am feeling the effects of the dreaded heme iron. Feel tired, bloated, and nauseous.

I think Johnny Falcon was on to something.
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Re: Heme Iron Hangover...
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2013, 08:25:15 PM »
that good ole heme-iron, everyone wants to eat meat and cook up sum good ol cheickin but dont no one wanna know no facts about that gat damn heme-iron
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Re: Heme Iron Hangover...
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2013, 11:40:24 PM »
Turkey has less Heme Iron than most meats, but it still has it. I ate a crap load of dead bird on Thanksgiving, then on Neegul Friday, I ate a 14 oz Prime Rib.

You're doubly screwed.  Turkey has MORE heme-iron than most meats - than all of them except for beef.
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Time to Vegan it up a bit for a while to clean out the blood. I haven't recovered yet from the Heme overload (sluggish)...
Falcon, did you feast on Bird for Thanksgiving??

Good luck.  Iron is very hard for the body to get rid of.  Going vegan to "clean out the blood" will take weeks or longer.

But why bother? The hemi-iron "danger" does not exist.

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Re: Heme Iron Hangover...
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2013, 11:47:27 PM »
Red Meat, Dietary Heme Iron, and Risk of Type 2 Diabetes: The Involvement of Advanced Lipoxidation Endproducts

There is growing evidence of disordered iron homeostasis in the diabetic condition, with links proposed between dietary iron intakes and both the risk of disease and the risk of complications of advanced disease. In the United States, Britain, and Canada, the largest dietary contributors of iron are cereals and cereal products and meat and meat products. This review discusses the findings of cohort studies and meta-analyses of heme iron and red meat intakes and the risk of type 2 diabetes. These suggest that processed red meat is associated with increased risk, with high intakes of red meat possibly also associated with a small increased risk. Historically, humans have relied on large quantities of heme iron and red meat in their diets, and therefore it is paradoxical that iron from meat sources should be associated with the risk of type 2 diabetes. A reason for this association may be drawn from studies of dietary advanced glycation and lipoxidation endproducts present in processed food and the mechanisms by which insulin output by pancreatic islet cells might be influenced by the protein modifications present in processed red meat.
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Re: Heme Iron Hangover...
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2013, 12:34:19 AM »
Red Meat, Dietary Heme Iron, and Risk of Type 2 Diabetes: The Involvement of Advanced Lipoxidation Endproducts

There is growing evidence of disordered iron homeostasis in the diabetic condition, with links proposed between dietary iron intakes and both the risk of disease and the risk of complications of advanced disease. In the United States, Britain, and Canada, the largest dietary contributors of iron are cereals and cereal products and meat and meat products. This review discusses the findings of cohort studies and meta-analyses of heme iron and red meat intakes and the risk of type 2 diabetes. These suggest that processed red meat is associated with increased risk, with high intakes of red meat possibly also associated with a small increased risk. Historically, humans have relied on large quantities of heme iron and red meat in their diets, and therefore it is paradoxical that iron from meat sources should be associated with the risk of type 2 diabetes. A reason for this association may be drawn from studies of dietary advanced glycation and lipoxidation endproducts present in processed food and the mechanisms by which insulin output by pancreatic islet cells might be influenced by the protein modifications present in processed red meat.

"cohort studies and meta-analysis". In other words, this study is a study of studies.  And the results show higher risks with processed meet and perhaps a slightly higher risk if you eat red meat.  Slightly higher based on a study of this kind is not significant, because it is notorious that for every conclusion one of them finds, another can find exactly the opposite result.

Why? Because such studies try to show correlations, and depending on selection bias, there is no way to control for factors that may have been ignored in randomizing the sample.  For example, if the sample was not controlled for income level, it won't capture the fact that participants with lower incomes will tend to eat more processed foods (including processed meat) than better off participants.  Subsisting entirely on processed foods has been shown by other studies (of the same kind) to be correlated with a higher risk of type 2 diabetes.  So is it processed foods in general, or just heme-rich beef? 

Falcon and his followers make claims for the dangers of hemi-iron that are unsupported by science.

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Re: Heme Iron Hangover...
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2013, 05:12:59 AM »
"cohort studies and meta-analysis". In other words, this study is a study of studies.  And the results show higher risks with processed meet and perhaps a slightly higher risk if you eat red meat.  Slightly higher based on a study of this kind is not significant, because it is notorious that for every conclusion one of them finds, another can find exactly the opposite result.

Why? Because such studies try to show correlations, and depending on selection bias, there is no way to control for factors that may have been ignored in randomizing the sample.  For example, if the sample was not controlled for income level, it won't capture the fact that participants with lower incomes will tend to eat more processed foods (including processed meat) than better off participants.  Subsisting entirely on processed foods has been shown by other studies (of the same kind) to be correlated with a higher risk of type 2 diabetes.  So is it processed foods in general, or just heme-rich beef? 

Falcon and his followers make claims for the dangers of hemi-iron that are unsupported by science.

just EAT that good ole heme iron no one should listen to me im trolling
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Re: Heme Iron Hangover...
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2013, 07:08:28 AM »
just EAT that good ole heme iron no one should listen to me im trolling


I did not say you are trolling, only that you are wrong.

Eat whatever you want, but stop pushing "heme-iron" as the cause of all health problems.


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Re: Heme Iron Hangover...
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2013, 10:00:45 AM »
just EAT that good ole heme iron no one should listen to me im trolling
We cant even trust guarantees seems a dead end around the corner.


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Re: Heme Iron Hangover...
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2013, 10:31:07 AM »
Red Meat, Dietary Heme Iron, and Risk of Type 2 Diabetes: The Involvement of Advanced Lipoxidation Endproducts

There is growing evidence of disordered iron homeostasis in the diabetic condition, with links proposed between dietary iron intakes and both the risk of disease and the risk of complications of advanced disease. In the United States, Britain, and Canada, the largest dietary contributors of iron are cereals and cereal products and meat and meat products. This review discusses the findings of cohort studies and meta-analyses of heme iron and red meat intakes and the risk of type 2 diabetes. These suggest that processed red meat is associated with increased risk, with high intakes of red meat possibly also associated with a small increased risk. Historically, humans have relied on large quantities of heme iron and red meat in their diets, and therefore it is paradoxical that iron from meat sources should be associated with the risk of type 2 diabetes. A reason for this association may be drawn from studies of dietary advanced glycation and lipoxidation endproducts present in processed food and the mechanisms by which insulin output by pancreatic islet cells might be influenced by the protein modifications present in processed red meat.

What kinda dummy is eating processed meat anyway??

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Re: Heme Iron Hangover...
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2013, 10:58:44 AM »
What kinda dummy is eating processed meat anyway??

Most people.  Hot dogs, cold cuts, bacon, sausage, etc.

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Re: Heme Iron Hangover...
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2013, 11:03:05 AM »
Most people.  Hot dogs, cold cuts, bacon, sausage, etc.

Shame on them. Terrible for you.

Also not fair to post a heme iron article when the meat is processed shit.

Let's see one with grass fed venison and then compare. 

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Re: Heme Iron Hangover...
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2013, 11:07:07 AM »
Shame on them. Terrible for you.

Also not fair to post a heme iron article when the meat is processed shit.

Let's see one with grass fed venison and then compare. 

Good point.

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Re: Heme Iron Hangover...
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2013, 11:09:42 AM »
processed sugar + processed meat (hemi iron ) = bloated and feeling like shit on the road to diabetes
however high protein Mediterranean diet is not going to put you on that road, the poison is in the processing not the meat per se

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Re: Heme Iron Hangover...
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2013, 12:37:49 PM »
that good ole heme-iron, everyone wants to eat meat and cook up sum good ol cheickin but dont no one wanna know no facts about that gat damn heme-iron

Have you ever tried cleaning your liver so that it can better eliminate the toxins we're exposed to everyday? It really works Captain Falcon you should try it. It will get rid of your food allergies also.

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Re: Heme Iron Hangover...
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2013, 02:38:37 PM »
EAT HEME-IRON i WAS just kidding, that shit is really good for you body
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Re: Heme Iron Hangover...
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2013, 02:39:35 PM »
Have you ever tried cleaning your liver so that it can better eliminate the toxins we're exposed to everyday? It really works Captain Falcon you should try it. It will get rid of your food allergies also.

How do you do that?

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Re: Heme Iron Hangover...
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2013, 02:45:57 PM »
How do you do that?
by eating more meat
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Re: Heme Iron Hangover...
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2013, 03:17:45 PM »

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Re: Heme Iron Hangover...
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2013, 03:23:59 PM »
Not funny Johnny.  >:(
well if meat is so good and healthy for you it should clean the liver right?

im assuming meat is good for liver and kidneys to clean them out thus this should be the preferred diet
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Re: Heme Iron Hangover...
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2013, 03:25:56 PM »
TEAM HEME-IRON MAKIN' IT HAPPEN!

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Re: Heme Iron Hangover...
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2013, 03:27:38 PM »
TEAM HEME-IRON MAKIN' IT HAPPEN!

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Re: Heme Iron Hangover...
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2013, 06:23:26 PM »
well if meat is so good and healthy for you it should clean the liver right?

im assuming meat is good for liver and kidneys to clean them out thus this should be the preferred diet

You're becoming bitter and cynical Johnny.

This is not Your usual self.

Perhaps you need some red clay from an approximate 2 foot depth To get yourself back to normal?