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Re: Will MMA be as big as boxing once was?
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2013, 01:59:53 PM »
  I would fight any one in a situation of life or death. In sport, I know my place on the food chain.

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Re: Will MMA be as big as boxing once was?
« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2013, 02:01:40 PM »
I hate combat sports.

It's only because I'm a wimp.


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Re: Will MMA be as big as boxing once was?
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2013, 02:02:50 PM »
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Re: Will MMA be as big as boxing once was?
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2013, 02:03:26 PM »
 I would fight any one in a situation of life or death. In sport, I know my place on the food chain.
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Re: Will MMA be as big as boxing once was?
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Re: Will MMA be as big as boxing once was?
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Re: Will MMA be as big as boxing once was?
« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2013, 02:17:32 PM »
Seriously, this could be a big thing Steve

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Re: Will MMA be as big as boxing once was?
« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2013, 02:32:40 PM »
Seriously, this could be a big thing Steve

Your new system, taking the households by storm

You could assign Prince Anabolicho to promote your system in the black neighbourhoods

I could be your manager Steve, we could make some real good money on this



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Re: Will MMA be as big as boxing once was?
« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2013, 02:34:24 PM »
MMA is already bigger than what boxing ever was.  I grew up with boxing, trained as a boxer as a youngman, one of my friends went on to be pro.  We collected all the fight videos, and talked about boxing all the time.  Then as I grew older my passion for it waned and I sort of developed the mainstream opinion that it was a mugs game and not good for the men who participated in it (healthwise).  Boxing seemed self destructive behaviour.  I could never shake it though and would still go to the PUB to watch a TYSON fight and later Kosta Tszyu (Australia's last great boxing hope).  

Then one of my brothers told me about the UFC when it first started and I watched a few fights and I thought,this is even worse than boxing, there was kicking downed opponents in the head, strikes to the tetsticles etc etc.  So I never really got into it, but I would still watch a fight now and again. Then it evolved, developed rules and regulations and they genuinely had interesting characters fighting, the fights were appealing and you could tell they had learned how to market the fighters and the sport properly.

I am less conflicted about sanctioned fighting today as I believe it important skill for anybody to have a capacity to defend themselves.  But it has to be balanced out with respect for oneself and others and personal humility.  That's where the martial arts come in, not only teaching you to fight but to develop the appropriate mindset for fighting and for life.  That's not to say I don't cringe now and again when a superior opponent has the full mount and is reigning down hard elbows slicing open a virtually defenceless opponents face.  But for the most part it is good healthy competition between opponents of similar ability.

So when I say MMA is already bigger than what boxing ever was, I believe it is, but in a different way.  MMA did what boxing should have done.  The UFC puts on regular shows and has a huge roster of talent, talent that is marketable, they don't just rely on a few big names, like boxing ended up doing.  In this way you keep your audience captive, you don't give them time to forget about you.  So although you won't get the same type of superfight that boxing did, which only happened because of the infrequency of such events and a small roster of talent.  You get a more balanced spectator event, with regular good fights and a broad array of talent to appeal to a larger audience.

My fear at this point in time is the womens entry into the sport.  Obviously the Fertitta's see a huge market opportunity but one that could come back to bite them on the arse.  This decision has the potential to spill out into the political sphere and cause havoc.  And we have already seen what nearly happened to the UFC early on when politicians get involved.  How could this happen, the feminists will complain bitterly about woman participating in the sport.  Having women learn to defend themselves and be competitive fighters will rankle the hardcore feminists who want to paint women out to be defenseless human beings regularly beaten down by the patriarchy and men in general.  Womens fighting hasn't taken off yet, but if it does, expect  a massive backlash from the feminists who like to infiltrate masculine pursuits and essentially feminise them or dismantle them.  Either way it has the potential to go south real quick.  The last thing any successful organization wants is a large group of feminists watching on, especially a masculine endeavour such as fighting.  Feminists abhor all things masculine and if they get involved will push MENS interest away from the sport en masse. JMO
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Re: Will MMA be as big as boxing once was?
« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2013, 02:37:20 PM »
MMA is already bigger than what boxing ever was.

Alright I stop reading after this.

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Re: Will MMA be as big as boxing once was?
« Reply #35 on: December 03, 2013, 02:42:52 PM »
i choose to sit on my title belt for now, maybe down the road i will defend it you know?
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Re: Will MMA be as big as boxing once was?
« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2013, 02:46:27 PM »
i choose to sit on my title belt for now, maybe down the road i will defend it you know?

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Re: Will MMA be as big as boxing once was?
« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2013, 02:54:55 PM »
I dont understand how boxing is interesting to the layman...so I personally don't see it being as popular in the coming years, whereas mma seems to be gaining ground in popularity. Would be interesting to see the hard numbers regarding this topic- I would be shocked if mma hasn't made significant gains in fans in the last decade.
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Re: Will MMA be as big as boxing once was?
« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2013, 02:56:45 PM »
  I will not attach my name to any style. I have no right. Why would I steal from other styles, and then smack my name on one and call it mine? No thanks.

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Re: Will MMA be as big as boxing once was?
« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2013, 02:58:13 PM »
Alright I stop reading after this.
It's simply true.  Die hard boxing fans don't like to admit it because they're pissed about it.  But it's a fact.  Add up the yearly sales of UFC and BOXING and UFC simply makes more money.  Dana actually claims the UFC makes more money than BOXING and WWE combined. Boxing has ONE big event while the rest is mediocrity, it relies too heavily on a few stars.  UFC consistently produces profitable fights and has a deep pool of marketable talent.  While it looks as if BOXING is more successful because they have these huge one off events that make a ton of money, the mediocrity of the rest of the events can't make up for it.  

The UFC has hedged there bets by taking an each way gamble.   The Boxing fraternity is still relying on putting all their money on a WIN BET on an outside favorite.  The UFC has simply chosen a different business model than BOXING, one that sees them make more profit than the BOXING business does. The fact is modern day UFC is more profitable than BOXING has ever been, and the disparity between the two is only going to continue to grow. 
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Re: Will MMA be as big as boxing once was?
« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2013, 03:06:20 PM »
already is bigger.

boxing was never that big.

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Re: Will MMA be as big as boxing once was?
« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2013, 03:52:32 PM »
The pay is much worse. FMJ made $40 mil last fight.

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Re: Will MMA be as big as boxing once was?
« Reply #42 on: December 03, 2013, 03:54:37 PM »
i choose to sit on my title belt for now, maybe down the road i will defend it you know?
Joe Frazier is a contender.

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Re: Will MMA be as big as boxing once was?
« Reply #43 on: December 03, 2013, 04:13:38 PM »
Jones has incredible highlight reels. FMJ is a counter striker.

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Re: Will MMA be as big as boxing once was?
« Reply #44 on: December 03, 2013, 04:30:22 PM »
Seriously, this could be a big thing Steve

Your new system, taking the households by storm

You could assign Prince Anabolicho to promote your system in the black neighbourhoods

I could be your manager Steve, we could make some real good money on this



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Re: Will MMA be as big as boxing once was?
« Reply #45 on: December 03, 2013, 04:40:11 PM »
It's simply true.  Die hard boxing fans don't like to admit it because they're pissed about it.  But it's a fact.  Add up the yearly sales of UFC and BOXING and UFC simply makes more money.  Dana actually claims the UFC makes more money than BOXING and WWE combined. Boxing has ONE big event while the rest is mediocrity, it relies too heavily on a few stars.  UFC consistently produces profitable fights and has a deep pool of marketable talent.  While it looks as if BOXING is more successful because they have these huge one off events that make a ton of money, the mediocrity of the rest of the events can't make up for it.  

The UFC has hedged there bets by taking an each way gamble.   The Boxing fraternity is still relying on putting all their money on a WIN BET on an outside favorite.  The UFC has simply chosen a different business model than BOXING, one that sees them make more profit than the BOXING business does. The fact is modern day UFC is more profitable than BOXING has ever been, and the disparity between the two is only going to continue to grow. 
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Re: Will MMA be as big as boxing once was?
« Reply #46 on: December 03, 2013, 05:05:14 PM »
It's simply true.  Die hard boxing fans don't like to admit it because they're pissed about it.  But it's a fact.  Add up the yearly sales of UFC and BOXING and UFC simply makes more money.  Dana actually claims the UFC makes more money than BOXING and WWE combined. Boxing has ONE big event while the rest is mediocrity, it relies too heavily on a few stars.  UFC consistently produces profitable fights and has a deep pool of marketable talent.  While it looks as if BOXING is more successful because they have these huge one off events that make a ton of money, the mediocrity of the rest of the events can't make up for it.  

The UFC has hedged there bets by taking an each way gamble.   The Boxing fraternity is still relying on putting all their money on a WIN BET on an outside favorite.  The UFC has simply chosen a different business model than BOXING, one that sees them make more profit than the BOXING business does. The fact is modern day UFC is more profitable than BOXING has ever been, and the disparity between the two is only going to continue to grow. 

If this is true, how do they justify the fact that the "purse" from one Mayweather fight is more than every single fighter in the UFC combined will make for years of fighting?

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Re: Will MMA be as big as boxing once was?
« Reply #48 on: December 03, 2013, 05:52:00 PM »
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/3/15/2053137/examining-pay-structure-in-boxing-and-mma

Stupid article , you have to compare  the earnings  of  top boxers vs top MMA fighters

example:

Klitschko ( ($17,499,997) vs Povetkin  ($5,833,333).
Cain Velasquez ($400,000) vs Dos Santos ($120,000 )


Mayweather ($41.5 million ) vs Canelo (5 mill)
GSP ($400,000) vs Hendricks  ($50,000 )

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Re: Will MMA be as big as boxing once was?
« Reply #49 on: December 03, 2013, 05:54:54 PM »
  I will not attach my name to any style. I have no right. Why would I steal from other styles, and then smack my name on one and call it mine? No thanks.

No no, we create our own style!

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Where others Punch, we twist and shout!

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