I have no idea if his name was on the lease. That doesn't matter. That's really a dumb non-issue. Nobody is talking about it. I posted the article simply to show the media doesn't care if his name is on the lease. If law enforcement or the prosector makes this an issue, then you'll have obviously have a point. Until then, it's just message board nonsense.
You were the one that brought up property, by saying it would be a whole lot different if it wasn't his property. I pointed out that it wasn't in any sense of the word and you have back peddled ever since.
Also, it would be a much different situation if he wasn't on his own property.
The point of me showing you your prior comments is you were actually ridiculing Tony because he didn't agree with your belief that you have to actually be in danger to use deadly force. You're using the same kind of arguments here (ones that really don't make sense). I understand you changed your position, but I mean think about it: under your old position, which you all but called Tony stupid for not agreeing with, a person could not use deadly if force if someone was pointing an unloaded gun at them threatening to shoot them (and the person being threatened didn't know the gun was unloaded). That really makes no sense. You don't need to know the law to realize that's not a reasonable position.
When did i compare pointing an unloaded gun?
How is an unloaded gun even part of this debate?
Don't think you are making much sense here.
I didn't call Tony stupid, and i don't think he is at all or you, however i thought some of his arguments and reasoning were at the time. In essence i thought he was saying all you have to be is scared. Facts don't matter. But, Facts do matter, because they influence what reasonable person would do.
You're doing the same thing with the whole intruder aspect. Trying to actually make a distinction between someone trying to open a door at 4 a.m., twice, and "picking a lock" is not reasonable, particularly when someone was at the house about a week or so beforehand. All I'm saying is you might want to pull back a bit.
Its extremely reasonable because the acts are VERY different. The sounds, the length of time, the location, the recognition. JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT.
And also logic prevails....... why knock first?
and then.... was there forced entry a week or so ago? No, same thing.