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Do you know where your vitamins come from
« on: December 04, 2013, 09:25:02 AM »
The more you dig into the vitamin and supplement industry, the more you will come to realize that the synthetic pills and powders you are taking are in most cases doing more damage to your body than if you didn't take any of them at all.

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Re: Do you know where your vitamins come from
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2013, 09:25:46 AM »
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Re: Do you know where your vitamins come from
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2013, 09:26:10 AM »
I get mine from Nutella
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Re: Do you know where your vitamins come from
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2013, 09:26:35 AM »
I read somewhere that BCAAs are created from hair and most of the hair they use comes from the Chinese.  I'm not making this shit up.

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Re: Do you know where your vitamins come from
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2013, 09:30:02 AM »
I read somewhere that BCAAs are created from hair and most of the hair they use comes from the Chinese.  I'm not making this shit up.

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Re: Do you know where your vitamins come from
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2013, 02:17:07 PM »
MuscleCenter is not bald.

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Re: Do you know where your vitamins come from
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2013, 02:19:09 PM »
I eat pussies and what I consider hot chicks' assholes. Do I need to care from where I get my vitamins?

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Re: Do you know where your vitamins come from
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2013, 02:57:24 PM »
  Grant, please tell us more about vitamins

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Re: Do you know where your vitamins come from
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2013, 03:00:34 PM »
Many people see distributed by and see a US address thinking it's safe but it's meaningless because you don't know where the sourced materials came from. Guys don't believe this but supplements are not regulated or inspected. A guy could source whey protein in bulk from China. He could have nice containers and fancy labels made to go along with his fancy bodybuilding magazine and computer advertising campaign. He could be filling the container in his garage. Sounds nuts. It has happened and it was covered in a Sports Illustrated article a couple of years ago.

I stopped using whey protein when Consumer Reports analyzed several brands and found them contaminated with heavy metals and other dangerous stuff.

When all the various Creatine companies were sourcing their creatine from China it was found to be really impure. That's when Creapure from Germany found it's success by claiming their creatine was pure compared to Chinese crap.

It seems supplements companies find new suckers with every new generation of male teenagers. After using all the various crap they eventually taper off their use but then a new generation of insecure would be bodybuiding teenagers are coming of age.

If you have a choice between buying a chicken, t bone or a container of eggs over a $56 container of Whey protein that will last around 2 weeks I think the choice is obvious.

Awhile back I wrote an email directly to the owner of a major bodybuilding magazine about a subscription problem I wanted to get resolved. His magazine like all of them have many pages of supplement ads.  I guess he wasn't computer literate but I got an email from him months later and I was CC'ed in and it was his notification that his growth hormone shipment was expected soon from Canada. I never got another email from him cause I believe he wondered who was this guy in his group email.

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Re: Do you know where your vitamins come from
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2013, 03:01:54 PM »
I eat pussies and what I consider hot chicks' assholes.

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Re: Do you know where your vitamins come from
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2013, 03:13:40 PM »
The FDA should regulate vitamins and herbal remedies, but bad science, lobbyists and big money have gotten in the way

Topics: Health FDA Food Safety
Supplements
Omega-3 capsules on a production line at Sancilio and Co.'s lab and manufacturing facility in Riviera Beach, Fla. Mark Elias/Bloomberg/Getty Images
Once upon a time, traveling salesmen went from town to town selling tonics bubbling with opiates, cocaine and knockout quantities of grain alcohol. The Pure Food and Drug Act shut them down in 1906.

The hucksters are back. The vitamin, mineral and herbal supplement industry — now a $23-billion-a-year business — is hawking wares with dubious claims and unproven safety records to an unsuspecting public. Whether you shop at Wal-Mart or high-priced organic-food stores, you will find shelves of supplements that claim to be as basic to personal health as whole grains and toothpaste.

Industry executives claim that they are promoting "health freedom." But they are actually exploiting people's genuine health concerns and anxieties over the skyrocketing cost of traditional medical care. The supplement moguls — along with their retinue of lobbyists, political allies, celebrity endorsers, media promoters and alternative-medicine gurus — are fighting off government oversight so that they can continue bamboozling the public into thinking that good health comes in a bottle. The Food and Drug Administration needs to intercede.

According to Consumer Reports, only a third of 54,000 supplements in the Natural Medicines Comprehensive Database have any scientifically supported level of safety and effectiveness, and 12 percent are linked to safety concerns or quality issues. Mounting evidence suggests that most vitamin supplements, including the popular daily multivitamin, may be useless — and some could even increase the risk of disease. 

Quality control is also a concern. Many vitamins that appear in the U.S. — in everything from soft drinks to breakfast cereal — are made in China, where standards are lax. When consumers buy children's chewables, they fail to realize that the lack of uniform manufacturing rules can result in mislabeling or contamination. A recent New York Times report on herbal supplements reveals that popular products like echinacea may be diluted or contain nothing more than cheap fillers like rice.

Supplement promoters sell themselves as an alternative to big pharma, but giant pharmaceutical firms actually own the bulk of the industry. Pfizer owns Centrum, Bayer owns One a Day, and Procter & Gamble owns supplement maker New Chapter. Even Wall Street is getting in on the action. The Carlyle Group, a private-equity giant, owns NBTY (formerly Nature's Bounty), and hedge funds are trading on industry players like the Vitamin Shoppe, betting that health-conscious baby boomers and other promising demographics will keep buying.

To be sure, humans need vitamins and minerals, but outside of a few specific cases of diagnosed deficiencies, like folic acid for pregnancy, there is little evidence that consuming them in supplement form is generally beneficial. Most major health bodies — including the National Institutes of Health, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Dietetic Association, the Mayo Clinic and Harvard Medical School — do not recommend supplements because their alleged benefits have failed to withstand scientific scrutiny.

Paul Offit, the chief of the infectious-disease unit at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia and a critic of the supplement industry, lays out the scientific case against high doses of vitamins in his book "Do You Believe in Magic? The Sense and Nonsense of Alternative Medicine." Steven Novella, a clinical neurologist at the Yale School of Medicine, co-founded a website that investigates the myriad false claims made by the supplement industry.

Yet the U.S. government has failed to catch up with the science. Under current law, dietary supplements are considered neither food nor drugs and exist in an unregulated gray area. You can put supplements in a shake, stick them in a pill or add them to water without testing their safety.

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Re: Do you know where your vitamins come from
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2013, 03:17:25 PM »
Big pharma own large supplement companies and they are allowed to use humans as guinea pigs because there is little to no regulation. For all you people out there that believe in population control, the ruling elite may be using the supplement industry to help kill off a percentage of the humans on earth. And if anyone ever finds out about the poison that may be going into some of these products, the west gets to blame China for it. lol

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Re: Do you know where your vitamins come from
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2013, 03:35:11 PM »
Big pharma own large supplement companies and they are allowed to use humans as guinea pigs because there is little to no regulation. For all you people out there that believe in population control, the ruling elite may be using the supplement industry to help kill off a percentage of the humans on earth. And if anyone ever finds out about the poison that may be going into some of these products, the west gets to blame China for it. lol

Well, if the vitamins from those drug companies are crap then what about the drugs? I love drugs. I believe in them. :D

If Bayer Primo is great then the One A Day probably is too. Better to choose a vitamin made by big pharma than some little outfit.

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If you're banking on a daily vitamin to make up for any deficiencies in your diet, you may be getting a whole lot more — or less — than you bargained for.

Of 21 brands of multivitamins on the market in the United States and Canada selectedby ConsumerLab.com and tested by independent laboratories, just 10 met the stated claims on their labels or satisfied other quality standards.

Most worrisome, according to ConsumerLab.com president Dr. Tod Cooperman, is that one product, The Vitamin Shoppe Multivitamins Especially for Women, was contaminated with lead.

"I was definitely shocked by the amount of lead in [this] woman's product," he said. "We've never seen that much lead in a multivitamin before."

Other products contained more or less of a particular vitamin than listed on the label. And some did not dissolve in the correct amount of time, meaning they could potentially pass through the body without being fully absorbed.

"Half the products were fine, half were not,"said Cooperman.

ConsumerLab.com is a Westchester, N.Y.-based company that independently evaluates hundreds of health and nutrition products and periodically publishes reviews. In the new report, released to MSNBC.com, the company purchased a selection of the popular multivitamins on the market as well as some smaller brands and sent them, without labels, to two independent laboratories to be tested.

On a positive note, several of the most popular multivitamins on the market did pass muster, said David Schardt, a senior nutritionist at the Center for Science in the Public Interest, a nonprofit consumer advocacy group in Washington, D.C.

These included Centrum Silver, Member's Mark Complete Multi (distributed by Sam's Club), One A Day Women's and Flintstones Complete.


"I think this confirms the advice often given: You're safer choosing a well-known brand sold by some company or store that you have confidence in," Schardt said. "There are no guarantees but that's your best bet."

Random vitamin testing isn't foolproof. For instance, because ConsumerLab.com tested several bottles from a particular lot number of each vitamin, it's not a given that products produced at a different time would have the exact same contents. But detectable problems are a red flag that there could be problems with a company's production process.

In the report, tests showed that The Vitamin Shoppe women's product contained 15.3 micrograms of lead per daily serving of two tablets.

This amount of lead is more than 10 times the amount permitted without a warning in California, the only state that regulates lead in supplements, Cooperman said. On average, most American adults are exposed to about 3 micrograms of lead through food, wine and other sources, he said, and while 15.3 micrograms of lead per day may not be immediately toxic, the mineral is stored in the body and could build up to dangerous levels with time.

"I would be concerned about a woman taking a multivitamin that contains 15.3 micrograms of lead per daily serving," said Judy Simon, a dietitian at the University of Washington Medical Center in Seattle. Among other effects, she said, lead can contribute to high blood pressure.

The same product also contained just 54 percent of the 200 milligrams of calcium stated on the label.

The analysis also showed that Hero Nutritionals Yummi Bears, a multivitamin for children, had 216 percent of the labeled amount of vitamin A in the retinol form, delivering 5,400 International Units (IU) in a daily serving. That's substantially more than the upper tolerable level set by the Institute of Medicine of 2,000 IU for kids ages 1 to 3 and 3,000 IU for those 4 to 8.

Because too much vitamin A can cause bone weakening and liver abnormalities, the Yummi Bears "could be potentially doing more harm than good," Cooperman said. "Vitamin A is one of those vitamins where you really don't want to get too much."

Schardt said the lead and vitamin A findings are worrisome because vitamins are generally taken every day, potentially building up to toxic levels and leading to problems down the line. In particular, he noted, women with high levels of lead in their bodies who become pregnant could pass on problems to a fetus.

David Morrison, vice president of scientific and regulatory affairs at The Vitamin Shoppe, said his company's products are all tested more than once, including screening for lead, and he questioned the new results. "It would be very surprising to me if this were actually true," he said.

Hero Nutritionals did not respond to calls seeking comment.

Steve Mister, president and CEO of the Council for Responsible Nutrition, a trade group in Washington, D.C., that represents supplement manufacturers, said that if the findings on lead and vitamin A are, in fact, accurate, "that is not acceptable for the industry."

But he also said that top manufacturers consistently produce quality products and that with 150 million Americans taking vitamins or other dietary supplements annually, few problems surface.

"If we had a serious issue of safety, we'd be hearing concerns from consumers in large numbers and we're not," he said.

The ConsumerLab.com report also found that some vitamins didn't break apart within the 30-minute standard set by the United States Pharmacopeia. Nature's Plus Especially Yours for women required more than an hour to disintegrate, while AARP Maturity Formula took 50 minutes.

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Re: Do you know where your vitamins come from
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2013, 03:37:59 PM »


If you have a choice between buying a chicken, t bone or a container of eggs over a $56 container of Whey protein that will last around 2 weeks I think the choice is obvious.



What about all the hormones, antibiotics etc in meat and other foods?

Protein powder is food. It's processed milk, or eggs, etc.

There are problems for sure, but I believe there's quality too, same as with any food.

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Re: Do you know where your vitamins come from
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2013, 10:28:07 PM »
The more you dig into the vitamin and supplement industry, the more you will come to realize that the synthetic pills and powders you are taking are in most cases doing more damage to your body than if you didn't take any of them at all.

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Old newz, just like cheap Chinese made protein.

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« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2013, 10:57:54 PM »
The more you dig into the vitamin and supplement industry, the more you will come to realize that the synthetic pills and powders you are taking are in most cases doing more damage to your body than if you didn't take any of them at all.

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It really depends on what SORT of supplements you are talking about.  Some are used by doctors to cure ailments.

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« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2013, 11:06:56 PM »
It really depends on what SORT of supplements you are talking about.  Some are used by doctors to cure ailments.

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Re: Do you know where your vitamins come from
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2013, 06:05:23 AM »
The more you dig into the vitamin and supplement industry, the more you will come to realize that the synthetic pills and powders you are taking are in most cases doing more damage to your body than if you didn't take any of them at all.

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I gave up vitamins a while back. I do take ConcenTrace Solute Ions, lots of Kale, Cayenne Pepper, and Aloe Vera juice.

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Re: Do you know where your vitamins come from
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2013, 11:45:11 AM »
What about all the hormones, antibiotics etc in meat and other foods?

Protein powder is food. It's processed milk, or eggs, etc.

There are problems for sure, but I believe there's quality too, same as with any food.

I would rather eat an egg, steak, or chicken raised in the US than eat whey protein that got their whey in bulk from China. You don't know where the whey protein came from.  The distributed by on the label only tells you the company that is selling it to you. When you compare the price of whey isolate and compare it to it's equivalent amount protein food like a chicken breast it's always cheaper to buy the food.

 http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine-archive/2010/july/food/protein-drinks/what-our-tests-found/index.htm

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine-archive/2010/july/food/protein-drinks/whats-in-your-protein-drink/index.htm

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine-archive/2010/july/food/protein-drinks/athletes-complain/index.htm

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine-archive/2010/july/food/protein-drinks/better-cheaper-ways-to-bulk-up/index.htm

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Re: Do you know where your vitamins come from
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2013, 11:46:13 AM »
I would rather eat an egg, steak, or chicken raised in the US than eat whey protein that got their whey in bulk from China. You don't know where the whey protein came from.  The distributed by on the label only tells you the company that is selling it to you. When you compare the price of whey isolate and compare it to it's equivalent amount protein food like a chicken breast it's always cheaper to buy the food.

 http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine-archive/2010/july/food/protein-drinks/what-our-tests-found/index.htm

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine-archive/2010/july/food/protein-drinks/whats-in-your-protein-drink/index.htm

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine-archive/2010/july/food/protein-drinks/athletes-complain/index.htm

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine-archive/2010/july/food/protein-drinks/better-cheaper-ways-to-bulk-up/index.htm
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