how can you make light heavier

[Marty Champions]

since a light "light" is a form of xray how can one take light and make it heavier please respond ASAP

[MONSTER_TRICEPS]

add 2 45 pound plates to each photon.

[Primemuscle]

since a light "light" is a form of xray how can one take light and make it heavier please respond ASAP

You are talking about two different definitions of the term light. There is light as in the weight of heft of something and their is light as in rays from the sun or a light bulb....two very different things, same word. There are several other definitions for the word light all with very different meanings. This is good example of why the English language is considered a difficult one to learn....the same word means many different things.

[stuntmovie]

JF, Once again you are rushing along the edges of Quantum Mechanics, but in this case, you may be way off base.

What have you read that made you ask this question?

[doison]

Slow it down

[Nirvana]

Drop sets

[Marty Champions]

Slow it down

how? the prism gives us indigo and other colors presumably slower

you see thats just it. the speed of light is constant anything of different speed is not white light

the different rays are slower if i recall

[Archer77]

how?

you see thats just it. the speed of light is constant

the different rays are slower if i recall

It's possible to slow the speed of light. Physicists have done so in the lab. 

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/1999/02.18/light.html

[Marty Champions]

It's possible to slow the speed of light. Physicists have done so in the lab. 

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/1999/02.18/light.html

yah but they admitted its not light

An entirely new state of matter, first observed four years ago, has made this possible. When atoms become packed super-closely together at super-low temperatures and super-high vacuum, they lose their identity as individual particles and act like a single super- atom with characteristics similar to a laser.

[Archer77]

yah but they admitted its not light

An entirely new state of matter, first observed four years ago, has made this possible. When atoms become packed super-closely together at super-low temperatures and super-high vacuum, they lose their identity as individual particles and act like a single super- atom with characteristics similar to a laser.

You earn some respect today, Mr. Falcon!

[Mr Nobody]

A good question do weight plates get heavier or lighter over time with rust accumulation?

[doison]

how? the prism gives us indigo and other colors presumably slower

you see thats just it. the speed of light is constant anything of different speed is not white light

the different rays are slower if i recall

Dont confuse speed with wavelength.  Speed is related to the density/tension of the medium a wave propogates in, wavelength is less correlated with both. 

Besides, it really has nothing to do with either.  It is due to enegy and a consequence if interaction we call "mass."


In the end, the mathematics describes what happens. We can dislike that there aren't more specific words to describe what happens, but the mathematics describes it to almost arbitrary accuracy...so it ends up being sort of like wondering why "crash boom huuummmm" doesnt properly describe a symphony. 

[avxo]

yah but they admitted its not light

No, that's not what they admitted. Let's take a step back: when you freeze water into ice, you still have water. The water is simply in a different phase than it was before. Similarly, the light in these experiments was simply converted into a different phase.

An entirely new state of matter, first observed four years ago, has made this possible. When atoms become packed super-closely together at super-low temperatures and super-high vacuum, they lose their identity as individual particles and act like a single super- atom with characteristics similar to a laser.

Yes, this "entirely new state of matter" was a Bose-Einstein condensate. The mechanics of the experiment are pretty interesting and very very cool, from the relatively simple and basic physics of interface interactions and group velocity, to the cooler bits involving optical and magnetic constriction, collimation and cooling.

[stuntmovie]

We were once  working on a movie script about what would happen if the speed of light was reduced to 35 mph without realizing that these guys are working to reduce it to 38 mph.

We put it aside because no one could think of what would actually happen if it was limited to 35 mph.

Maybe these guys can give us some idea of how that speed reduction would affect everyday life.

JF and you other smart GetBiggers who have been contributing ot this weird but interesting discussion ..... we may have to hire you all as consultants if this project ever gets finalized for the big screen.

I sure as hell wish you'd all read DANCING WU LI MASTERS so that we could have a semi-intelligent discussion of Quantum Mechanics.

I honestly think that is what JF is sort of "thinking around about" but has not quite gotten it yet.



But don't hold your breath waiting for that phone call.

[avxo]

Dont confuse speed with wavelength.  Speed is related to the density/tension of the medium a wave propogates in, wavelength is less correlated with both. 

Besides, it really has nothing to do with either.  It is due to enegy and a consequence if interaction we call "mass."


In the end, the mathematics describes what happens. We can dislike that there aren't more specific words to describe what happens, but the mathematics describes it to almost arbitrary accuracy...so it ends up being sort of like wondering why "crash boom huuummmm" doesnt properly describe a symphony. 

Excellent post!

[Wee Laddy]

By "working on a movie script" you mean, "thought about it for 15 minutes"?

[Archer77]

Thank you, doison and avxo for adding your knowledge.

[stuntmovie]

My big question at this precise moment of time is WHY is the Speed of Light set at 186,000 miles a second or 700 million miles an hour.

How was that 'speed limit' determined?

[doison]

My big question at this precise moment of time is WHY is the Speed of Light set at 186,000 miles a second or 700 million miles an hour.

How was that 'speed limit' determined?

How is any velocity determined except for in reference to another object? 

[stuntmovie]

WEE LADDY, Actually a bit more than 15 minutes but no one had the attention span nor the 'smarts' to come up with any interesting ideas that would be of any real interest on a movie screen.

DODSON .... "How is any velocity determined except for in reference to another object?"  That's another interesting topic within QM.

I seem to recall that the 'other object' had to be 'stationary' to determine another object's velocity, but apparently nothing is stationary within our universe. Not educated enough to grasp it thoroughly but I think that was part of the Theory of Relativity .... something about two trains passing each other.

I are stupid when it comes to this 'stuff' but I did have the opportunity to talk about QM with a UC Physics Professor who told me that I understood it pretty damn well  and enough to discuss it with some degree of intelligence.

But if you asked me to explain it, IU'd have to refer you to Dancing Wu Li Masters which I've read about 7 times cause the first 6 times I was completely "dumbed out".

JF, this stuff that you are 'wondering' about is not a rare occurance among the scientificate community and has resulted in major scientific discoveries/advances in the past couple of hundred years.

SO I gotta encourage you to keep on "wondering" about what most of us consider to be 'crazy shit'.

I believe Einstein stated that in more elaborate terms but I think I said it more clearly.

[Marty Champions]

No, that's not what they admitted. Let's take a step back: when you freeze water into ice, you still have water. The water is simply in a different phase than it was before. Similarly, the light in these experiments was simply converted into a different phase.

you see the same can be said for light, you put it in a different state of matter its still light but  like water to ice........it could be light to something else that doesnt look much like light

water does not look 'that' much like ice

point is all matter IS light just various densities giving us different matter *water like ice* *light like everything*

[gcb]

how? the prism gives us indigo and other colors presumably slower

you see thats just it. the speed of light is constant anything of different speed is not white light

the different rays are slower if i recall

No - the difference in color is because of the wave length and not the speed - the speed is constant for a particular medium.

[avxo]

you see the same can be said for light, you put it in a different state of matter its still light but  like water to ice........it could be light to something else that doesnt look much like light

Right, and?

water does not look 'that' much like ice

Right, and?

point is all matter IS light just various densities giving us different matter *water like ice* *light like everything*

Uhm... no "matter" isn't light. What we think of as matter is composed of fermions. Light, on the other hand, is composed of bosons. Apples. Oranges.

[Marty Champions]

No - the difference in color is because of the wave length and not the speed - the speed is constant for a particular medium.

yes i said the speed was constant bro look what you quoted from me

wavelength is compression or decompression

[Marty Champions]

Right, and?


Right, and?


Uhm... no "matter" isn't light. What we think of as matter is composed of fermions. Light, on the other hand, is composed of bosons. Apples. Oranges.

light has a weight/mass thus it is matter