Being gay in highschool and accepted

[King Shizzo]

Bunch of Grape Nuts eating fags in this thread.

[the trainer]

I think we have reach a point where we should stop this comming out bullshit, if you like to fuck asshole  fine, but why do you have to go on the rooftop and let everybody know.

[Palpatine Q]

Bunch of Grape Nuts eating fags in this thread.

Perfect example of a herb with a big mouth.

Shizzo would have been part of the group..that annoying fuck that you let hang around because he won't go away anyway and arguing with him is like getting a root canal

[King Shizzo]

Perfect example of a herb with a big mouth.

Shizzo would have been part of the group..that annoying fuck that you let hang around because he won't go away anyway and arguing with him is like getting a root canal

Herb? This isn't 1994 grandpa.

[OneMoreRep]

I'm amazed at how society has changed so quickly.  I was talking to this high school teacher I know and he was mentioning how they are doing some school function and some popular kid is going to come out of the closet.  He was telling me how supportive and excited everyone is for him.

I had to think.  When I went to Highschool, doing something like that surely meant daily beatings.  I don't think the prinicpal woul have wanted an openly gay student at our school.  It's just amazing at how today it is a big deal when not that long ago it wasn't accepted.  He's telling me that the gays act straight up gay and don't get judged.  I'm pretty sure there were a ton of cockmunchers in my highschool but they hid it well, not parading around with a neon sign telling everyone they're gay.

Back when I was in High School (79' was my Freshman year), people "still" looked at African Americans, Hispanics, Jews and Gays with slight disgust.

If you were of color (African American and/or Hispanic), they thought you were violent, slightly stupid, addicted to rap music and prone to break dance simultaneously regardless of setting. They also would ridicule these folks for their physical attributes (hair texture, bulbous features etc.).

If you were Jewish, the stigma was that you were greedy, messy, a Jesus-Killer (got that one a few times) and awkward looking (by way of our noses and/or the texture of our hair). Some were able to pass as regular white folks, but the last names were always a dead giveaway.

If you were Gay, you wouldn't stop hearing it from everyone. Ridicule was a regular for the "openly" gay crowd.

I was pretty social throughout my high school years. I played High School Football, was part of the weight-lifting club, track and took part in local boxing at Gleason's gym from the age of 14 and on. I wasn't always gay. I came into being gay in my early-twenties. Prior to that, I sucked a lot of titties, had tons of sex with great girls and would find much joy in allowing women to use my penis as that of a tonsil extractor, throat cleanser or that of a bougie tube for esophageal dilatation (bougie tubes look like this for those wondering: http://i00.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/029/123/465/465123029_220.JPG).

What I will say is that being gay in high school, for those who were open about it, took much courage and certainly came with tremendous amount of ridicule and sometimes physical assault.

I commend those that came out in the 70's and early 80's. Today, practically every other kid is gay and is becoming like the new black.

While I have no problem with anyone being gay, I do think that overly flamboyant gay men can often times give regular homosexual men a bad name. One thing is to be a homosexual and another thing is to be a fag that constantly prances around city streets as if frolicking in a field of daffodils, only opening your mouth but to sing Elton John's greatest hits.

Balance is important. If you're gay and proud, that is fantastic. You should live your life accordingly and be with who you want to be (live, date or marry whomever makes you happy), dress in whichever way you prefer and live wherever you would like to live. You should also feel proud in supporting the cause and attending any local events and/or parades as felt necessary.

What you shouldn't do is shove it down everyone's throats by constantly insinuating to the fact at every fucking opportunity, or wearing shit every single day that directly hints everyone that you're gay (rainbow color tie-dye shirts, hats that say gay and proud and all other sorts of paraphernalia like a rubber dildo that just casually rests below your pant's zipper). We have many gay men that act in such foolish ways and you can usually find them in the East Village in New York City. These gentlemen will spend most of their days roller-skating around the neighborhood, wearing weird shit like leotards or a damn tutu dress and smothered in clown-like makeup while performing songs from lady Gaga or Miley Cyrus for local onlookers. <~~ This behavior is what I DON'T agree with.

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[King Shizzo]

Back when I was in High School (79' was my Freshman year), people "still" looked at African Americans, Hispanics, Jews and Gays with slight disgust.

If you were of color (African American and/or Hispanic), they thought you were violent, slightly stupid, addicted to rap music and prone to break dance simultaneously regardless of setting. They also would ridicule these folks for their physical attributes (hair texture, bulbous features etc.).

If you were Jewish, the stigma was that you were greedy, messy, a Jesus-Killer (got that one a few times) and awkward looking (by way of our noses and/or the texture of our hair). Some were able to pass as regular white folks, but the last names were always a dead giveaway.

If you were Gay, you wouldn't stop hearing it from everyone. Ridicule was a regular for the "openly" gay crowd.

I was pretty social throughout my high school years. I played High School Football, was part of the weight-lifting club, track and took part in local boxing at Gleason's gym from the age of 14 and on. I wasn't always gay. I came into being gay in my early-twenties. Prior to that, I sucked a lot of titties, had tons of sex with great girls and would find much joy in allowing women to use my penis as that of a tonsil extractor, throat cleanser or that of a bougie tube for esophageal dilatation (bougie tubes look like this for those wondering: http://i00.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/029/123/465/465123029_220.JPG).

What I will say is that being gay in high school, for those who were open about it, took much courage and certainly came with tremendous amount of ridicule and sometimes physical assault.

I commend those that came out in the 70's and early 80's. Today, practically every other kid is gay and is becoming like the new black.

While I have no problem with anyone being gay, I do think that overly flamboyant gay men can often times give regular homosexual men a bad name. One thing is to be a homosexual and another thing is to be a fag that constantly prances around city streets as if frolicking in a field of daffodils, only opening your mouth but to sing Elton John's greatest hits.

Balance is important. If you're gay and proud, that is fantastic. You should live your life accordingly and be with who you want to be (live, date or marry whomever makes you happy), dress in whichever way you prefer and live wherever you would like to live. You should also feel proud in supporting the cause and attending any local events and/or parades as felt necessary.

What you shouldn't do is shove it down everyone's throats by constantly insinuating to the fact at every fucking opportunity, or wearing shit every single day that directly hints everyone that you're gay (rainbow color tie-dye shirts, hats that say gay and proud and all other sorts of paraphernalia like a rubber dildo that just casually rests below your pant's zipper). We have many gay men that act in such foolish ways and you can usually find them in the East Village in New York City. These gentlemen will spend most of their days roller-skating around the neighborhood, wearing weird shit like leotards or a damn tutu dress and smothered in clown-like makeup while performing songs from lady Gaga or Miley Cyrus for local onlookers. <~~ This behavior is what I DON'T agree with.

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Rap was not mainstream in 1979.

One song by the Sugar Hill Gang does not count.

[Palpatine Q]

Rap was not mainstream in 1979.

One song by the Sugar Hill Gang does not count.

You realize rap and hip hop were born in NYC in the late 70s right ?

[King Shizzo]

You realize rap and hip hop were born in NYC in the late 70s right ?

There is no way that people would look at African Americans in 1979, and think that they were addicted to rap music. Rap was in its infancy.

Racist post reported.

[OneMoreRep]

You realize rap and hip hop were born in NYC in the late 70s right ?

He doesn't understand that.

Rap was born in inner city basements and was pioneered by folks from the Bronx, Queens and Brooklyn. In your spare time Shaun, look up Clive Campbell (known back then as DJ Kool Herc - probably the first rapper ever), Kevin Donovan (known back then as Afrika Bambaataa), Gil Scott-Heron and even Joseph Saddler (Grandmaster Flash).

Then again, unless you grew up in New York City or even certain parts of Chicago during the 70's, how else would you know about the reality of what Rap was and wasn't?

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[OneMoreRep]

Here's a little tidbit surrounding some of the deep origins of Rap by DJ Kool Herc:

On August 11, 1973, DJ Kool Herc was a Disc Jockey and Emcee at a party in the recreation room at Sedgwick Avenue.[19] Specifically, DJ Kool Herc:

extended an instrumental beat (breaking or scratching) to let people dance longer (break dancing) and began MC’ing (rapping) during the extended breakdancing. ... [This] helped lay the foundation for a cultural revolution.
—History Detectives[19]

Source:

Tukufu Zuberi ("detective"), BIRTHPLACE OF HIP HOP, History Detectives, Season 6, Episode 11, New York City, found at PBS official website. Accessed February 24, 2009.

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[King Shizzo]

He doesn't understand that.

Rap was born in inner city basements and was pioneered by folks from the Bronx, Queens and Brooklyn. In your spare time Shaun, look up Clive Campbell (known back then as DJ Kool Herc - probably the first rapper ever), Kevin Donovan (known back then as Afrika Bambaataa), Gil Scott-Heron and even Joseph Saddler (Grandmaster Flash).

Then again, unless you grew up in New York City or even certain parts of Chicago during the 70's, how else would you know about the reality of what Rap was and wasn't?

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That does not prove anything. Rap was just beginning to get popular in 1979.

Most average people would not automatically think of African Americans or Hispanics as "addicted to rap music" in 1979.  Actually it was considered hip hop back then.

[OneMoreRep]

That does not prove anything. Rap was just beginning to get popular in 1979.

Most average people would not automatically think of African Americans or Hispanics as "addicted to rap music" in 1979.  Actually it was considered hip hop back then.

How old were you in 1979 and where did you grow up?

I was an actual eye-witness to the birth of rap as I lived in the inner city and went to many house parties up in Harlem, Bed-Stuy, Brownsville and and (double "and" done purposely to accentuate rap undertone) the South Bronx.

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[NarcissisticDeity]

Kool Herc was Jamaican , and the ' breaking ' started there and when he came over to the states he started in the Bronx , so technically rap started with the dance music from Jamaica but if we play the infinite regression game their ' dance ' music was influenced by American pop music , so musical influence is circular and we all benefit from it

Now ' hip hop ' music has turned into a techno-pop-dance hybrid which is far removed from the ' original ' rap

[Palpatine Q]

He doesn't understand that.

Rap was born in inner city basements and was pioneered by folks from the Bronx, Queens and Brooklyn. In your spare time Shaun, look up Clive Campbell (known back then as DJ Kool Herc - probably the first rapper ever), Kevin Donovan (known back then as Afrika Bambaataa), Gil Scott-Heron and even Joseph Saddler (Grandmaster Flash).

Then again, unless you grew up in New York City or even certain parts of Chicago during the 70's, how else would you know about the reality of what Rap was and wasn't?

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He's probably never seen a 5th and Broadway records 12 inch single.

[NarcissisticDeity]

That does not prove anything. Rap was just beginning to get popular in 1979.

Most average people would not automatically think of African Americans or Hispanics as "addicted to rap music" in 1979.  Actually it was considered hip hop back then.

It wasn't considered ' hip hop ' back then

[King Shizzo]

How old were you in 1979 and where did you grow up?

I was an actual eye-witness to the birth of rap as I lived in the inner city and went to many house parties up in Harlem, Bed-Stuy, Brownsville and and the South Bronx.

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I was not born until 1981. I grew up in Florida. That does not stop me from calling your blanket statement bullshit.

Blacks and hispanics were not universally associated with hip hop in 1979.

It was too new.

[Palpatine Q]

Kool Herc was Jamaican , and the ' breaking ' started there and when he came over to the states he started in the Bronx , so technically rap started with the dance music from Jamaica but if we play the infinite regression game their ' dance ' music was influenced by American pop music , so musical influence is circular and we all benefit from it

Now ' hip hop ' music has turned into a techno-pop-dance hybrid which is far removed from the ' original ' rap

Do you know what the "break" in breaking is ?

It's the instrumental break commonly found in dance music that helps djs mix records together.  Djs just started playing the "breaks" and rapping over them.

[OneMoreRep]

I was not born until 1981. I grew up in Florida. That does not stop me from calling your blanket statement bullshit.

Blacks and hispanics were not universally associated with hip hop in 1979.

It was too new.

So you weren't even born in the 70's, grew up in Florida, yet you would know better as to the origins of Rap?

I grew up in that mix. I saw it with my own eyes, danced with the best of them and went to places were most cared not to go due to the stigma associated with those who were fans of rap.

You call it a blanket statement, yet you have no proof to justify your stance. At least post something relevant showing otherwise (you know like a link or something that looks like this below).

Here's a little tidbit surrounding some of the deep origins of Rap by DJ Kool Herc:

On August 11, 1973, DJ Kool Herc was a Disc Jockey and Emcee at a party in the recreation room at Sedgwick Avenue.[19] Specifically, DJ Kool Herc:

extended an instrumental beat (breaking or scratching) to let people dance longer (break dancing) and began MC’ing (rapping) during the extended breakdancing. ... [This] helped lay the foundation for a cultural revolution.
—History Detectives[19]

Source:

Tukufu Zuberi ("detective"), BIRTHPLACE OF HIP HOP, History Detectives, Season 6, Episode 11, New York City, found at PBS official website. Accessed February 24, 2009.

How would someone who grew up in New York City as a teenager in the 70's and who actually listened to Rap know better than a young man that was born in 81 and grew up in Florida. You must know better, so I digress.

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[OneMoreRep]

I could always be wrong, as I am not an official rap historian or aficionado.

Can we maybe page one of the board's resident rappers or rap historians?

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[the trainer]

I like that rapper called the notorious big, his songs are like listening to a movie you can visualize some of the things he is saying.

[King Shizzo]

So you weren't even born in the 70's, grew up in Florida, yet you would know better as to the origins of Rap?

I grew up in that mix. I saw it with my own eyes, danced with the best of them and went to places were most cared not to go due to the stigma associated with those who were fans of rap.

You call it a blanket statement, yet you have no proof to justify your stance. At least post something relevant showing otherwise (you know like a link or something).

How would someone who grew up in New York City as a teenager in the 70's and who actually listened to Rap know better than a young man that was born in 81 and grew up in Florida. You must know better, so I digress.

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Please! You said you were a freshman in highschool in1979. You also made the statement that blacks and hispanics were looked upon as being automatically associated with hip hop in 1979. Really? Maybe among your highschool peers. Certainly not by the rest of the world.

Fact: rap was still in its infancy in 1979.

[Palpatine Q]

Please! You said you were a freshman in highschool in1979. You also made the statement that blacks and hispanics were looked upon as being automatically associated with hip hop in 1979. Really? Maybe among your highschool peers. Certainly not by the rest of the world.

Fact: rap was still in its infancy in 1979.

Yes but if its among his peers..and himself...Then that's what he experienced . Doesn't matter than Iowa never heard of Grandmaster Flash.

[King Shizzo]

Yes but if its among his peers..and himself...Then that's what he experienced . Doesn't matter than Iowa never heard of Grandmaster Flash.

He should be more clear in his statements then. There are many Mensa Bobs lurking.

[Palpatine Q]

He should be more clear in his statements then. There are many Mensa Bobs lurking.

It was perfectly clear.

You have just been scalped 

[OneMoreRep]

Please! You said you were a freshman in highschool in1979.

I was a freshmen in 1979, making me 14 years old when I entered high school. At 14, I remember things pretty vividly.

You also made the statement that blacks and hispanics were looked upon as being automatically associated with hip hop in 1979. Really? Maybe among your highschool peers. Certainly not by the rest of the world.

Where I grew up (New York City - Hell's Kitchen, Murray Hill, Washington heights etc.) blacks and hispanics were looked upon as being addicted to rap. Never did I say that it was the nationwide view did I? Was I not chronicling my experience growing up?

Fact: rap was still in its infancy in 1979.

Fact: Rap was already in motion back in 73, as evidenced by the link/source I posted, and not to mention that many of us who lived in New York City experienced it first hand (you know being there, as opposed to still being a member of your father's sperm reserve brigade). If you have better (or any) proof, please post it up.

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